Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Fro99er]

I just said that you posted this AFTER I openly scumread drealmerz,

Yeah i misread.

But how could I say you're really bad town for your read on Dreal BEFORE you scumread him?

[Fro99er]

Not very much like i kinda just want another lynch and set of night kills to get more info. Would rather it not be me

but not making extreme conscious effort to fight the lynch on me.

Wsrleozbiptlatp

^ that's an acronym, solve it and you get a prize ^

Would still rather lynch Elena or Zach

but I'm playing to live at this point.

I'd love to find traction for an Elena lynch, but for today it seems nonexistent.

Yoshi, since your so concerned with a possible contradiction i made (which wasn't a contradiction) then go ahead and explain how this is town.

[Fro99er]

I will make some simple points on Elena lynch today

If the points are that simple then go ahead and make them.

[Fro99er]

hbd PV

[Fro99er]

2 days left of day phase let's wrap this up.

9 days

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2017-02-09 09:23:53).

[Fro99er]

You don't need a voice to post

[Fro99er]

I'll compromise lynch Yoshi, Gerry, or Zach.

[Fro99er]

alisae or transcend are the wagon choices

that's why I'm on the transcend wagon

[Fro99er]

No u won't u scum

Well we're not lynching elena today

[Fro99er]

You'll be making your last ribbet in due time

when you NK me?

[Fro99er]

We're lynching you

[Fro99er]

HiwMs your throat

[Fro99er]

*How's

[Fro99er]

Vote Count 2.14

ConManMick

-

[0]

drealmerz7

-

[0]

[L-3]

Transcend

-

[5]

Elena Fisher

,

Fro99er, Alisae, ConManMick, JaeReed

[L-2]

Alisae

-

[6]

kuror0, Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan, gerryoat, Zachstralkita

,

drealmerz7

Jaack

-

[0]

Elena Fisher

-

[2]

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

-

[1]

Jaack

PeregrineV

-

[0]

Fro99er

-

[0]

Zachstralkita

-

[0]

JaeReed

-

[0]

kuror0

-

[0]

Clumsy

-

[0]

gerryoat

-

[0]

Not Voting

-

PeregrineV

Mod Notes

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None!

With 14 Alive, It Takes 8 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2017-02-09 09:23:53).

Spoiler: Unofficial voting of vig pool/check pool

Vig pool:

Zachstralkita (2) - Fro99er, Transcend
PeregrineV (2) - Alisae, kuror0
Alisae (1) - BigYoshiFan
Transcend (1) - JaeReed

Check pool:

Alisae (3) - Alisae, Transcend, JaeReed
Frogger (2) - BigYoshiFan, Fro99er
Zachstralkita (1) - kuror0


please bold your votes for this.

This is what I see right now. Red is scum, yellow could be, and green is town.

If I'm most wrong with my red and greens, it's Zach/Jae/Alisae but I think Ali has been the most town player and Gerry is making a terrible push there about sheeping, when i pointed out all his own even worse D1 sheeps

[Fro99er]

Seems to erratic to be scummy IMO.

lmao

You're scum too?

Trans-Yoshi

Gerry-Zach

Is it that easy?

[Fro99er]

Hell, I don't even see Garry as scum.

Gerry's D1 sheeps plus that shade on me about me killing cloud is all you need to know. He hasn't hunted scum, he's just OMGUS'd anyone who scumreads him.

[Fro99er]

When did they do that?

[Fro99er]

Right, and did that occur before or after post 5140 where I made that comment?

[Fro99er]

Transcend also unvoted you, so i'm not sure when that occurred.

[Fro99er]

Also, you broke 1000

[Fro99er]

Also, it's telling that people unvoted you but aren't voting transcend

[Fro99er]

Resistance, am I right?
eh
Eh
EH

Maybe.

Yoshi is the one I had pegged w Transcend though.

[Fro99er]

Fro9 how is it telling when the two people that unvoted Alisae and didn't vote me are green reads for you.

Fixed

Gerry is not a green read and it's plausible he is with you from that hard townreading.

Instead he chose to vote Elena who I haven't really seen him push.

Still think yoshi is most likely your buddy though.

[Fro99er]

(Also i originally thought it was Zach unvoting instead of clumsy, but was wrong, that's why I changed my mind to maybe in the next post of mine after I said that.)

[Fro99er]

Has it ever come to your mind that 1.there can be dueling town wagons, 2. Resistance on me could be because one thinks I'm actually town?

Yes, it has occurred to me.

But I think you're scum anyway, resistance aside.

[Fro99er]

L-2

[Fro99er]

Frogger and Elena both claimed to being framed by Cloud's death, which is either just dumb, or some really nervous scum reaction.

He wanted to kill BigYoshi all day

, yet Yoshi is not feeling framed.
I dunno, the whole Cloud thing needs more scrutiny.

The bolded is just false. Cloud wanted to kill me all day. I had to help push cloud into voting Yoshi

cloud vote yoshi

can you at least say please? im trying to grudge vote here

can you at least say please? im trying to grudge vote here

please

lol oupsy

VOTE: mario's dinosaur

He ended up scumreading Yoshi for Yoshi's claim (which is funny because he called me out for scumreading Yoshi's claim), then backed away from it eventually and finally ended up townreading Yoshi and tunneling me.

Transcend just reread the yoshi claim in mind that yoshi is actually town and read froggy

So Yoshi would have little to no reason to think he was framed.

Elena I have no idea why she would think she's framed.

All I said was its possible I was framed, because everyone started suspecting me because of the Cloud kill. So it seems like a plausible option that someone planted the Cloud kill to frame me. I never said that *was* the reason...just a possibility.

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: every mention of elena in Transcend's iso since he started to "scumread" her

[LYNCH] Pepchoninga - [10] Manuel87, Elena Fisher, Alisae, Fro99er, Pine, ConManMick, Jaack, Clumsy, Alisae, drealmerz7, Transcend

Vca time. Manuel, Clumsy, Pine, Jaack, d7 all conf town or dead

I'm town.

That leaves elena (early on the lynch, diverted most of her attention to getting the slot lynched).

Fro99er (I'm pretty sure he's town)

Mick (is probably town)

Alisae (is also probably town)

Elena and Fro99 are never on the same scum team as i doubt they'll require 2 eggs from their basket to lynch me.

I have you as guilty by association gerry

Lol what horse shit

Let's play a game of

"Whose slot has been more useless"

To play just remove it from the undecided category and into the slot you think has been more useless.

Undecided
---
Clumsy
Elena
Fro9
Gerry
Jaack
Jae
Kuro
Mick
PV
Yoshi
Zach

Alisae
---


Drealmerz
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Trans

VOTE: Elena

Sure

Zach and Elena are scum, just on different teams

P sure Alisae is white scum

Never lynch gerry, Jae, or yoshi.

I'm astounded that the only people who have even touched Elena are me, Zach, and Gerry.

I think great things will come if Elena gets run up in votes

Would still rather lunch Elena

Elena Fisher Jan 13, 01:29pm Jan 26, 11:00pm 1 day 19 hours 149

L to the ol

I know for an ascertained fact Elena is thread dodging

Alisae lynch could be promising as I'm not too happy with him today and I've been waffly about him, but i want the Zach slot ran up.

Haven't been happy with him today and was waffly on him rest of game with a slight lean on town

You already said that. Expand upon why you're not happy with him today and why you're waffly on him.

Tone and progression. Outing the masons. Blah blah.

And expand on why you haven't voted me yet if you believe what you're saying.

1. I'd rather vote Elena, I'll vote you at dl but I'd rather 1v1 Elena

2. Why are you inviting me to your wagon lol

How about Elena gets lynched and you check me because, let's be real, I'm still gonna be sussed even when Elena flips scum

The difference between me and you is that you're SRing me but not voting me.
I'm voting you.

You vote Zach but then you vote with him so casually that I have a problem with it. Sure he could be scum hunting other scum but it just looks bad.

Lol

I've had Elena in my fos pool all day. I'm entitled to vote whoever the fuck i want. You can be dealt with by the vig or by yoshi. Your chances of flipping scum are less than Elena.

Transcend why do you want to eat Elena?

I thought you were a good player but i guess scummies are just a fluke

Did you get your award by confbiasing someone and them flipping scum

The difference between me and you is that you're SRing me but not voting me.
I'm voting you.

You vote Zach but then you vote with him so casually that I have a problem with it. Sure he could be scum hunting other scum but it just looks bad.

Lol

I've had Elena in my fos pool all day. I'm entitled to vote whoever the fuck i want. You can be dealt with by the vig or by yoshi. Your chances of flipping scum are less than Elena.

O RLLY? YOU SAID YOU WERE PRETTY SURE I WAS WHITE SCUM

Hello

Zach and Elena could be on EITHER scum team.

You can be on one.

I've had consistent, solid scum reads on those two and I've been unsure about you all game. Right now, i think you're scum. But i don't really want to be wrong and spend the day on another mislynch and rely on a cross kill. I'd rather lynch a confident scum read and have your slot be dealt with the vig or the pt cop.

On a scale of 1-10 I'm like a 6 that you'll flip scum Alisae and 9 on Zach and Elena.

Anyways, how about we run up a slot that i want aka giving it more than 2 votes for once this game.

Vig Zach check Alisae lynch Elena

That's fine and all but I'd rather flip Elena now

But that's only if I'm dead.

Getting back on track, lynch Elena.

Wsrleozbiptlatp

^ that's an acronym, solve it and you get a prize ^

Would still rather lynch Elena or Zach but I'm playing to live at this point.

I'd love to find traction for an Elena lynch, but for today it seems nonexistent.

VOTE: Elena

Alisae my vote was on Elena the entire fucking day and the only person who wanted to lynch her was another scum read of mine
I still want her dead more than anything but if there's no momentum then I'd rather you dead over me.

Fro99 i really hope you don't bl me for this bc playing survivalistic is something lots of ppl tend to do.

He's town

Can we rope up Elena PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE

Jae alis d7 fro9 Mick Elena and someone else are voting me

11 more posts

Hype train

Jae i don't like her tone or progression through the game and her laundering today sucks.

We still have 9 days left. I'd still infinitely prefer to string up Elena.

Hi

I'm not exactly sure about the accuracy of an Alisae lynch.

I think there is a chance he genuinely believes I'm scum.

I implore you to vote Elena instead.

Sore throat and work today. Not gonna post v much.

I still insist we lynch Elena.

I kno right

Elena is scum guys! I mean it. I know it.

I kno right

Elena is scum guys! I mean it. I know it.

Why is there 100 people voting you to die?

I think it's because i didn't defend my town reads when they got run up.

How Elena is indestructible is beyond my understanding.

Fine, I'll iso living scum.

There is literally NOTHING in transcend's push on elena except POE from the Pep wagon. He doesn't consider alternatives like Alisae being scum, or myself being scum. Just assumes I'm town and Alisae is town and says that means Elena is scum. That's his whole fucking case. The rest is just "I want Elena dead" and "vote elena" and crap like that.

Then eventually he considers Alisae as possible scum and votes him, which doesn't give him ANY pause on Elena, when if Alisae really were scum then that could change his POE on Elena.

The other thing about the POE is, wait for it, transcend could be the scum on the Pep wagon.

So gtfo transcend.

[Fro99er]

How the rest of town can't see transcend is obvscum is beyond me.

And to answer your dig against me about my scummy, no, I lead town in that game, and even got singled out by the Mod at the end of the game for leading town. My reads were on point. So even though I was off on Clumsy here today, you can forgive me for being a bit rusty with a year hiatus from mafia. But I'm on point now. I'm quite sure you're scum here.

The other thing is in that best town game, PV was in that game as town, played like crap, and admitted as such (I understand, it's hard being a mason sometimes...my worst games are as masons). PV actually scumread me in that best town game where I carried town. But I could tell PV was town there because I could tell he genuinely believed his push on me in that game. I'm not getting that in this game. His whole thing about me here is the framed thing, which doesn't read to me like he believes his own push. I'm on the ropes about PV but I'm much more confident in you, Gerry, Zach, and Yoshi.

[Fro99er]

And transcend even had to make that best town performance dig at me because he's scum. He knows my reads are on point here about him and whichever of Gerry or Yoshi are his scumbuddy, and it's a way to discredit me, while still giving me a townread.

[Fro99er]

That's a nice string of words

But

I'm

Town

No

You

Aren't

[Fro99er]

That's fair. I wasn't saying me being framed was the reason cloud was killed either. I was responding to people saying "Frog killed cloud" with "its alternatively possible i'm being framed". I'm not suggesting I was, but when multiple people start FoS'ing me for the cloud kill, it certainly to me reads that me being framed is within the range of outcomes of why cloud was killed.

[Fro99er]

That's fair. I wasn't saying me being framed was the reason cloud was killed either. I was responding to people saying "Frog killed cloud" with "its alternatively possible i'm being framed". I'm not suggesting I was, but when multiple people start FoS'ing me for the cloud kill, it certainly to me reads that me being framed is within the range of outcomes of why cloud was killed.

Well, if the White scumteam killed Cloud at night, did they make any move on him during the day?

The white scumteam had to have killed cloud, not if. Jaack vigged pine, and cloud wouldn't have been killed by his own scumteam.

As far as did they make a move on him, I don't think so. Cloud didn't get a single vote yesterday after replacing in.

[Fro99er]

Pep VCA

your pep VCA was trash.

Certainly it's possible she's scum on the pep wagon, and I haven't ruled that out. But you were on that pep wagon too and you're scum. She would just be opposite you if she is scum.

[Fro99er]

No.

Duh.

[Fro99er]

Even if you truly and duly believe I'm scum (I'm not) I could be tunneling another scum due to multiball.

Tunneling isn't why I'm scumreading you.

Try again.

[Fro99er]

Your case on me is wrong. You're incorrectly reading my slot. You're not even bothering to let me, or anyone else convince you otherwise.

Then go ahead and convince me yourself with your play.

You've done

nothing

to find scum.

[Fro99er]

If you convince me with your play, there's a chance I might even consider voting Elena, because she's in my gray zone. But so far your case is POE from Pep, and that's it. That's literally it. It's a crap case.

[Fro99er]

Then please, enlighten me with a real case on Elena.

[Fro99er]

There is a real case on Elena holy mother of God

Do you think Elena's thought process is genuine throughout the course of this game?

I don't know and that's why I have her in my I don't know pile.

Do you really think Elena legitimately scum read Pep?

We were right up against deadline. I don't think it's that hard for multiple people to have just wanted to go along with the plan of lynching pep and leashing Jaack.

Do you legitimately think Elena wasn't feigning ignorance by calling the white team the non black team.

This is probably one of the best points. I don't think you brought it up though. It was someone else, and it wasn't part of your original case. Your case was POE.

Do you think her active laundering while Alisae was the counter wagon to ME AKA the person she insta scum read coming into today was being run up in votes is indicative of town?

What do you mean by laundering?

[Fro99er]

4. Lurking. Not doing anything productive. Etc.

Fair enough.

I guess that's possible for a scum!Elena whether you are town or scum. She was the only one on that wagon doing that, except Mick, but he's conftown.

Fixed for you, my friend.
-S

[Fro99er]

effing quote tags.

[Fro99er]

Fro99er only croaked my name when I voted him the start of this Day


FACTS

FACT, you tried to derail the Gerry wagon, who is my strongest scumread, and THAT'S why I started scumreading you. I was waffly on your slot before that.

[Fro99er]

frog did you just read my interaction with elena. do you not think she tried setting up. considering she still thinks im scum when her only reasons was cause she said i had to be teamed with transcend. and no she doesnt even have us on a team

Well I thought you and transcend could be a team too...but then I changed it to you and Zach based off the way he tried to derail your wagon.

But if that's Elena's only reason for scumreading you, that's pretty sketch.

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

ninja'd.

i never said both factions are working together. It doesn't mean both factions can't unknowingly be pushing the same person with each other.

[Fro99er]

Well you joined on my 21st birthday when i was

out getting wasted as fuck

working my retail job.

good god, you're a 1995?

I'm old.

[Fro99er]

Alisae shit posts for a long while and then votes someone for not shitposting good enough and somehow differentiates between town shitposting and scum shitposting. Thats a bullshit reason to vote someone.

VOTE: Alisae

Here it is. Indigo was replaced by Elena.

@Frogger this is after Alisae did these posts:

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why vote him?

Immediately voting the dude who called my fake mason claim is basicly a cheap and easy way to get an easy justified vote.
And the shitposting doesn't feel like it's coming from town!Gamma so he's most likely trying to hide in it.

I've been trying to work out if it's a potential chainsaw or not given how early in the game it was. I have it down as "potential chainsaw, probably nothing". Thoughts?

That's a really good find, and the single best point against elena.

Ugh

ok if Elena is scum then it's with cloudy. That would leave other scum as Gerry/trans/Zach/PV/Yoshi/dreal as possibilities. I'm quite sure kuror is town. I believe alisae is town. Jae is town. Jaack/Mick/Clumsy are town.

It still isn't out of the question that Transcend is opposite Elena, and I hated his contradiction earlier that I put in super huge words. If elena flips town the transcend is basically confscum to me.

I need to think about this.

[Fro99er]

Elena scum would jive with Alisae town, or at least certainly not teammates.

[Fro99er]

Gerry is scum.

opposite Elena maybe, but scum.

[Fro99er]

Oh I agree town contradict themselves. Lord knows I do.

I just think it was a pressure contradiction from a scum!transcend that he fucked up on.

[Fro99er]

How come if you think I'm scum that I'm pushing my scum read and not someone i avidly townread?

Wat?

If you're scum, you wouldn't be townreading a townread that you are pushing.

This makes no sense.

[Fro99er]

"Hi I am going to tell everyone X is town yet I'm also going to push them"

[Fro99er]

Does anyone not see the huge flaw in transcend's logic?

[Fro99er]

I'm not buying this for a minute.

Maybe Elena is scum. If so it's with cloudy and Transcend is on the other team.

Then it makes the most sense that Gerry and Transcend are scum together, and Zach is town, because I don't see Transcend and Zach as scum together for that one interaction I pointed out earlier and Zach isn't scum with Elena most likely. So then if Yoshi was scum with cloud and Elena that wouldn't make sense...I think Yoshi is opposite Cloud because of the neighborizer PT cop thing. It was meant to trick Yoshi. So if Yoshi is town then dreal is town barring some weird PT godfather as a second non-normal role allowed in larges, but occam's razor is dreal is town. Then it's probably PV with cloud and Elena? Kuror? Alisae? I don't think it's jae because they wouldn't point out the chainsaw of cloudslot and bus Elena like that.

Just thinking out loud.

[Fro99er]

I'm not buying this for a minute.

so many posts in between...buying this as in buying what Transcend is saying.

[Fro99er]

I'm not buying this for a minute.

Maybe Elena is scum. If so it's with cloudy and Transcend is on the other team.

Then it makes the most sense that Gerry and Transcend are scum together, and Zach is town, because I don't see Transcend and Zach as scum together for that one interaction I pointed out earlier and Zach isn't scum with Elena most likely. So then if Yoshi was scum with cloud and Elena that wouldn't make sense...I think Yoshi is opposite Cloud because of the neighborizer PT cop thing. It was meant to trick Yoshi. So if Yoshi is town then dreal is town barring some weird PT godfather as a second non-normal role allowed in larges, but occam's razor is dreal is town. Then it's probably PV with cloud and Elena? Kuror? Alisae? I don't think it's jae because they wouldn't point out the chainsaw of cloudslot and bus Elena like that.

Just thinking out loud.

It also wouldn't be alisae with cloud and elena because of that vote jae pointed out.

Also, I guess Yoshi could be scum with Gerry and Transcend. So Yoshi isn't necessarily town. But I think dreal is clear for sure either way if elena flips scum with cloudy.

[Fro99er]

Alternatively

She's scum and I'm town

if you are town, and elena is scum with cloud, then who is opposite scum to them?

You're town reading me, so a town you would have to consider me as opposite scum, but you aren't even doing that. You're also hard townreading Yoshi and Gerry. So use your brain and tell me who would be opposite scum.

[Fro99er]

I have my lynch cluster

that's not an answer.

Work with me here. If Elena is scum with cloud, who is opposite scum?

[Fro99er]

That's fair. I wasn't saying me being framed was the reason cloud was killed either. I was responding to people saying "Frog killed cloud" with "its alternatively possible i'm being framed". I'm not suggesting I was, but when multiple people start FoS'ing me for the cloud kill, it certainly to me reads that me being framed is within the range of outcomes of why cloud was killed.

Well, if the White scumteam killed Cloud at night, did they make any move on him during the day?

The white scumteam had to have killed cloud, not if. Jaack vigged pine, and cloud wouldn't have been killed by his own scumteam.

As far as did they make a move on him, I don't think so. Cloud didn't get a single vote yesterday after replacing in.

Gamma was here and posting way before Cloud. Check him out.

As vig, I'm going to vote to kill scummiest, then at night I probbably shoot them.

Did anyone vote Cloud or Gamma at all day1?

No

and the vig (Jaack) already claimed their kill on Pine.

[Fro99er]

My vote changes based off who we lynch and what they flip.

If we lynch Trans and he flips scum then vig Gerry, check Zach
If we lynch Trans and he flips town then vig Alisae, check me because I'll be on the hot seat for trying to push the Trans lynch.
If we lynch Elena and she flips scum then vig Trans, check JaeReed
If we lynch Elena and she flips town then vig Trans, check Zach

[Fro99er]

Frogger Jae is checking me anyways so vigging me is counterproductive.

Oh, so Jae is a cop of some sort?

How does that jive with a town Yoshi who is also an investigative?

Either Yoshi or Jae are scum then. Shouldn't we be lynching in there and guaranteeing one scum the next day?

[Fro99er]

There's no way we have two town investigatives in a 17 player multiball.

If we have two claimed investigatives, it's guaranteed at least one is scum.

[Fro99er]

Oh yeah, I should do this too.

Check: JaeReed

Vig: Trans

Then I second this if we're lynching Elena, regardless of her flip.

[Fro99er]

if it has to be bold

Check: JaeReed
Vig: Transcend

[Fro99er]

If we lynch Trans and he flips scum then vig Gerry, check Zach
If we lynch Trans and he flips town then vig Alisae, check me because I'll be on the hot seat for trying to push the Trans lynch.

Since we're not vigging Alisae as mentioned in that scenario I'm changing this to: If we lynch Trans and he flips town the vig Elena, check me
If trans flips scum my vote stays the same there -- Vig Gerry check Zach

[Fro99er]

ANYONE SLOWING THE WAGON DOWN IS AIDING AND ABETTING ENEMIES OF THE STATE

Consider me aiding and abetting

I still think it's far more likely transcend is scum over Elena.

[Fro99er]

What about Yoshi and his supposed clear of Dreal?

Are you even reading Zach?

[Fro99er]

This is the same Zach who had Mick as one of his top scumreads after mick was already outed as Mason.

[Fro99er]

don't make me go into my final form fro99er

Bring it on

[Fro99er]

My opinions on Yoshis claim are not to be made public at this point in time

Literally the only way Dreal is scum is if Yoshi scum with him or if Dreal is a traitor.

So hiding fake feelings about the claim is dumb.

[Fro99er]

I don't feel good about an Elena lynch now thanks to zach

[Fro99er]

Lol?

Did you ever feel good about one. :p

You get what I mean. I started to waffle that maybe it was an ok lynch, now I'm not comfortable with it at all.

[Fro99er]

I was more talking about yoshi himself

So IOW you believe Yoshi is scum.

Got it.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Zach

there's no way he can have some hokey pokey fake feelings about Yoshi while thinking Dreal is scum.

If he believes Yoshi is town then he believes dreal is traitor.

Otherwise he believes Yoshi and Dreal are scumbuddies.

There's no other option if you list dreal as scum. Stop making shit up.

[Fro99er]

Errr


You abruptly said no when i Wake88'd you

And then I started to reconsider if I was confbiasing on you and maybe everyone was right about Elena...especialy Jae, hence my unvote of you.

[Fro99er]

Errr....???

I don't know what to make of that vote at all.

Pedit: okay.

You're right,

I guess I should be voting you, because I don't feel good about this elena wagon and you're the other option

VOTE: Transcend

[Fro99er]

It's multiball

Town doesn't say this.

And you and transcend are opposite scum. Which helps me rule out elena.

I've already been through this.

[Fro99er]

How are you sure we're opposite btw

We've been through this...let me pull it up

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Zach

VOTE: Elena Fisher


foh transcend

VOTE: Elena

Sure

VOTE: Transcend

This is not you two on the same team.

[Fro99er]

I mean that was probably the scummiest part of the game, was transcend doing that.

[Fro99er]

I'm waiting on something specifically on Yoshi that's why I didn't say anything

The placing of dreal on my list is semantics at this point,

I mean, placing dreal as scum is saying you don't believe Yoshi's clear (not saying Yoshi is lying, just that you believe either dreal is a traitor or a buddy with Yoshi depending on how you feel about Yoshi).

I guess that's fair, but the traitor option is super unlikely, given Yoshi would have to be town and happen to check the one player who doesn't have a PT but who is scum.

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That leans toward us both being town LMAO

I don't think myself, yourself, and Transcend are all town. And I am town.

At worst it's transcend scum and you're town and maybe elena is then opposite scum to transcend, which is what I was considering. But since I think you're scum I think the option I was considering isn't likely.

Basically if Alisae is clear, then Transcend is scum. It's hard to believe both stalled at L-2 as both being town.

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All signs point to scum!transcend

I'm not voting elena today.

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That's confbias or ur scum

I just said I guess that's fair.

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You even quoted it.

Look, I think it's more likely Transcend is scum than you. That sheep of you was terrible immediately after he scumread you. The stalled wagon with Alisae who is supposedly cleared by Jae adds more. The Transcend v Elena is another reason. They could both be scum, or one is scum. It's more likely Transcend is scum than Elena is.

pedit: @zach

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What do you make of Alisae unvoting me and sheeping me on Elena? I honestly bet you're just biased on my slot.

I'm not a fan of it, But Alisae is also supposedly clear by Jae, so yeah. I'm not a fan of the Elena wagon in general. All of my scumreads are on it.

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Fair. :/
But that assumption in itself, how about that?

Because they were talking about clears.

If there's two investigatices, one is not town.

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Fair. :/
But that assumption in itself, how about that?

Because they were talking about clears.

If there's two investigatices, one is not town.

It was under the pretense that there are two investigatives.

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I'll unvote you if you get to L-1...you deserve some last words before I blacklist you (joking now)

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Dumbass wagon lol

I too tell inanimate objects that they are dumbasses.

DUMBASS TABLE

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pt check Alisae

Makes the most sense considering events of today

I'd say vig Fro99er but he's not gonna do it

we've been through this 100 times.

we're not PT checking alisae because Jae can clear Ali.

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@Moderator - Can we get a prod for mick?

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haha, hi mick

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Yo what's up? I've been reading and didn't really notice I hadn't posted in however long. Anything you wanted me for in particular?

Any thoughts on the Elena wagon? On JaeReed being able to clear Alisae? On a Vig/Check target?

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Clumsy and Mick, I'm not sure if you two have day-talk as masons, but if so you two should try to get on the same page.

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I had been townleaning Elena but the wagon raises several good points, particularly that shite about the name of the second mafia team. I'm not opposed to this lynch. If we lynch Elena, however, I want some assurances as to Transcend's alignment being revealed.

Transcend absolutely should be revealed in some way, whether it's a lynch, vig, or check. He's been up against two wagons now, and it hasn't gotten beyond L-2.

If Elena is scum, it's most likely with Cloudie as Jae pointed out, which if that's the case then elena would have one less teammate (Cloudie) to help resist her wagon. If transcend is scum, it could be white or black, so there's a better chance than Elena that Transcend hasn't had any teammates removed. Therefore probabilistically, there's a greater likelihood of extra resistance to his wagon relative to Elena.

But at this point, we're going to get a ton of information with either flip, especially having a vig and a PT check and wagon analysis.

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Ugh.

I'm starting to doubt myself thinking more around the wagons. Especially Alisae's.

If Ali is town, wouldn't he know that he's the counterwagon to Transcend, or at worst if Transcend is town and Ali is town then there's scum on his wagon? So either

1) why move off transcend onto Elena because it's likely Transcend is scum if Ali is town or
2) If Ali did move off transcend, shouldn't Ali be looking for someone on his own wagon? Elena wasn't one of those people.

Maybe Alisae and Elena are opposite scum to each other and Transcend is actually town. I really don't see a scenario in which Ali is scum and Transcend AND Elena are town.

UNVOTE:

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I want Ali to answer that before I place my vote somewhere.

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[L-3]

Alisae

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[5] kuror0, Clumsy, BigYoshiFan, gerryoat, Transcend

[L-3]

Alisae

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[5] kuror0, Clumsy, BigYoshiFan, gerryoat, drealmerz7

[L-2]

Alisae

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[6] kuror0, Clumsy, BigYoshiFan, gerryoat, Zachstralkita, drealmerz7

Ali, there's how your wagon progressed. PV also ended up voting you after your wagon started to dissolve.

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Frogger I don't see a universe where Trans and I are both town.

Then why are you voting Elena?

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I mean, that makes no sense. If you think there's no world where you and transcend are both town, then you should be voting transcend. Instead you frog hopped off Transcend and onto Elena just for a claim?

No.

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Trans I'm gonna trust you on this one:
VOTE: Elena

UNVOTE:
Vote is there
Don't want to end the day without a claim

Jae I want a claim before Elena get's lynched.

oh yeah since Jae took his vote down.
VOTE: Elena
I still want that claim.

oh yeah since Jae took his vote down.
VOTE: Elena
I still want that claim.

Why?

Because I wanna lynch you and you're at L-2 or something.

Ali, if Transcend has to be scum, according to you, why are you trying to get a claim out of someone who wasn't even on your wagon?

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You're literally saying "Elena and Transcend are both scum and they have to be opposite each other"

I guess it's possible. And we should still be lynching in there because one of those two is scum.

I just don't get why Ali would vote Elena over Yoshi, PV, and Zach from her wagon if not voting Transcend.

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The foundation of Alisae's scum read on me as far as i remember was him fosing me for voting with Zach who i (formerly) scum read. In 5961, Alisae goes to do the same thing that i did. What he did isn't scummy independently, but him making a big stink about it then doing exactly the same thing looks damning.

With yours it was more the timing and manner of doing it that stood out to me.

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Trans I'm gonna trust you on this one:
VOTE: Elena

Wait...

how can you trust trans if you don't see a world in which you're town together?

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The foundation of Alisae's scum read on me as far as i remember was him fosing me for voting with Zach who i (formerly) scum read. In 5961, Alisae goes to do the same thing that i did. What he did isn't scummy independently, but him making a big stink about it then doing exactly the same thing looks damning.

With yours it was more the timing and manner of doing it that stood out to me.

It didn't stand out at the time, looking back and knowing Ali thinks you two can't both be town, now it bigly stands out.

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I'm not exceedingly confident Elena will be a scum flip anymore

I still think you're most likely scum.

The common denominator between Alisae/Transcend and Elena/Transcend is...Transcend.

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If anyone is scum from Gerry interactions, it's you.

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Jae, relax.

I'm trying to figure out why Ali says she trusts transcend and yet thinks Transcend can't be town.

Transcend is still the person who I think is most likely to flip scum of the three. But I want some answers so things are more clear after there's a lynch and night actions.

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And we're not lynching Ali today. I already said that even after I asked ali those questions. I just want some answers.

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Jae.

Breathe for a minute and THINK about why I would want some answers. Just THINK.

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Yeah Jae is town. My strongest townread outside of the confirmeds, unless this is some really horrible gambit by Jae or Jae/Ali together.

I just don't see how Jae could be a PR (as it appears), Jaack a vig, three masons and Yoshi a town PT Cop. Really lets me believe Yoshi is opposite scum to Cloud.

VOTE: Transcend

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Errr

There's a reason i didn't vote Alisae

And that is?

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We should lynch transcend and get the vig/check shots in order

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so if Transcend flips town we vig Elena and check who?

If transcend flips scum we vig who and check who?

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then vote transcend

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inb4 Gerry says you're sheeping again

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Clumsy and Mick, I'm not sure if you two have day-talk as masons, but if so you two should try to get on the same page.

Who says I am a mason

Clumsy

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transcend content has kinda fell from day 1, but i still think he's town

Time to start distancing yourself

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ok but when he flips town, then what? Who is your next push? lol

If he flips town, Elena is vigged and probably flips with cloudy. If that's the case, Yoshi is scum since Jae is town and can clear Alisae. No way we have a town Vig, 3 masons, a town PT Cop, and whatever JaeReed's PR is.

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i mean there are 6 mafs prob each with a PR. so, it's possible for us to have some good PRs

How do you know there are 6 mafs?

Why would each have a PR?

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I ran an 18 person large normal, was 13 v 3 v 2.

But I feel like Gerry is on a 3 person scum team and is assuming it's 3 v 3.

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so if transcend flips scum who are we vigging?

if transcend flips town I agree vig Elena check Jae.

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Either way checking Jae seems optimal

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i mean there are 6 mafs prob each with a PR. so, it's possible for us to have some good PRs

How do you know there are 6 mafs?

Why would each have a PR?

Because that's what everyone has been saying 3 mafs on each. and i'm guessing each has a PR if there are masons, vig, PT cop and potential other PRs.

Who has said there's 3 on each team?

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Hi

bye

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back from a weekend away.

GG all, was fun.

thanks scout!

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I think it comes down to me and Gerry if I wasn't shot the night we hung transcend.

Good shot by black scum