Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Creature]

Votecount 3.1

Votecount 3.1

[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] hapahauli

[5] MagnaofIllusion - Hawk, Sesq, Elena Fisher, Music Box, BlueBloodedToffee [L-1]

[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[0] Sesq
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: hapahauli, MagnaofIllusion, Hiraki, Riley Cake, Toto

10 players are alive, therefore 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-05 16:00:00)

[hapahauli]

VOTE: magna

I really have to rethink this game. Goodluck tonight.

[Creature]

Votecount 3.2

Votecount 3.2

[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] hapahauli

[5] MagnaofIllusion - Hawk, Sesq, Elena Fisher, Music Box, BlueBloodedToffee, hapahauli [LYNCH]

[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[0] Sesq
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: MagnaofIllusion, Hiraki, Riley Cake, Toto

10 players are alive, therefore 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-05 16:00:00)

[Creature]

MagnaofIllusion has been lynched, he was

Mafia Goon

.

Night 3 has started

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-21 19:10:00)

[Creature]

BlueBloodedToffee has been killed, he was

Town Jailkeeper

.

Day 4 has started

Votecount 4.0

Votecount 4.0

[0] hapahauli
[0] Hiraki
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[0] Sesq
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: Everybody

8 players are alive, therefore 5 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-07 19:15:00)

[Toto]

Might as well change the title to full vanilla now

[Toto]

[8]

Lowell

-

MagnaofIllusion

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Hawk

,

Toto

, Hiraki,

nebula

,

Riley Cake

,

KainTepes

[LYNCH]

Anyone else thinks there was more than MoL scum on that wagon?

[7]

nebula

- Sesq,

Toto

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Riley Cake

,

Hawk

,

nebula

, hapahauli [LYNCH]

How about this one?

(I marked in yellow people who are in both wagons)

[Music Box]

Yes, it's quite likely, and I think it might be Riley in both cases. During Day 1 she was pushing both main wagons but voting neither for most of the time, before putting Lowell to L-1, and then Day 2 she again didn't commit until putting Nebula to L-2 (although I think she wasn't around so much that Day).

Sesq is also on the second wagon but I suspect it's either/or, not both of them together.

[Hawk]

Hey guys I'll be back tomorrow my wife just had a baby.

Of note not that I think Toto is scum but Toto is on both those Wagons too.

Also I understand that it's PoV lists I would have done the same thing.

[Music Box]

Congrats!


And good point. Toto's name should be in orange there.

[Toto]

Wow, congrats Hawk!

Yeah, sorry, I should have clarified that I know I'm town

Sesq is also on the second wagon but I suspect it's either/or, not both of them together.

This is interesting, what makes you think they can't be scum together?

[Music Box]

I remember thinking that but I need to go back and find out why.

[Music Box]

It was posts like 306, 310, 884 that made me think they weren't partners when I originally read them and it was those rather than the later posts that I was thinking of when I wrote that. But there's other posts like 885 that could be either coaching or buddying so they could just have been distancing.


But while going through their ISO's to check that I spotted this:

Riley Cake - acts in a way that's kind of... well, an act. Probably someone's alt, I don't really care.

She's a friend on Discord, me and a few others told her about this place. I don't want to say anymore as I don't want game stuff ending up there at all.

In the first quote Sesq is trying to disassociate herself from Riley. In the second she admits knowing her. I don't see any reason for her to do the first unless they are both scum.

[Toto]

Holy crap!

VOTE: Sesq

[Sesq]

It was posts like 306, 310, 884 that made me think they weren't partners when I originally read them and it was those rather than the later posts that I was thinking of when I wrote that. But there's other posts like 885 that could be either coaching or buddying so they could just have been distancing.


But while going through their ISO's to check that I spotted this:

Riley Cake - acts in a way that's kind of... well, an act. Probably someone's alt, I don't really care.

She's a friend on Discord, me and a few others told her about this place. I don't want to say anymore as I don't want game stuff ending up there at all.

In the first quote Sesq is trying to disassociate herself from Riley. In the second she admits knowing her. I don't see any reason for her to do the first unless they are both scum.

I was being dismissive because of outer-game stuff regarding Riley's status as an alt. I can confirm that is the case, but I didn't want to say it at the time as they were uncomfortable with it.

This is entirely due to external factors.

[Sesq]

Also, shouldn't we be trying to find associative tells with Magna (if possible)?

[Toto]

Magna derailed your wagon to Lowell's.
Riley said she would hammer if you got to L-1.

[Sesq]

Magna derailed your wagon to Lowell's.
Riley said she would hammer if you got to L-1.

As for the first, I was actually refusing to get on Lowell's wagon if you remember, and when it was at L-1 I was like heyyyy slow down.

As for the second, I don't see how that says anything other than they scumread me...

[Music Box]

But if she scumread you why didn't she vote you instead of just promising to?

As for the Lowell flash wagon, I think we should move back to Neb, as I don't feel super confident on Lowell, but I would be willing to compromise.

This isn't "refusing to get on Lowell's wagon". If anything it's giving slight encouragement to it. And in 1139 you were "definitely leaning" scum on him. You said you were uncomfortable with it but I didn't see any refusal.


VOTE: Sesq

[Sesq]

But if she scumread you why didn't she vote you instead of just promising to?

I've seen this point used multiple times in this game and every time it's been bullshit, for one simple reason: People can have multiple scumreads, and sometimes there's someone you scumread more. Also, this intent to hammer was on day one.

Also, even if this is a good point on her, how does that make me scum?

This isn't "refusing to get on Lowell's wagon". If anything it's giving slight encouragement to it. And in 1139 you were "definitely leaning" scum on him. You said you were uncomfortable with it but I didn't see any refusal.

What else would "I don't feel comfortable with this, everyone should move over to nebula" mean? If I were scum, what reason would I have not to go on Lowell's wagon?

[hapahauli]

@Toto and MB

If part of the reason you think Sesq is mafia is an association with Riley, shouldn't you guys be voting Riley?

I'll have some more complete thoughts later tonight. I have a couple of more things I need to read on D2.

[Hiraki]

I don't agree with the associative tells (528 actually makes more sense with 402 rather than the opposite which Music Box implies) but I agree with the end-game. D1 reeked of scum v/s town.

Vote: Sesq

My alternative is Hawk - no chance you'll get my vote on Riley.

[Toto]

Magna derailed your wagon to Lowell's.
Riley said she would hammer if you got to L-1.

As for the first, I was actually refusing to get on Lowell's wagon if you remember, and when it was at L-1 I was like heyyyy slow down.

As for the second, I don't see how that says anything other than they scumread me...

You really should be able to see how scum you would say things like that about lowel's wagon once it reached l-1.

We can sit here and discuss how we wont have conclusive evidence about how you are scum but you really need to start proposing alternatives instead of just defending yourself. You are not scumhunting. Why?

[Toto]

My alternative is Hawk - no chance you'll get my vote on Riley.

What's your case on Hawk?

[Toto]

UNVOTE:

I want us to take it slowly today.