Here's some wifom, but why would I push bella if I were scum? It does me no good to push her when I know she's going to initially be paranoid of me as town (because she always is when she's town). Especially after the only other time I rolled scum while bella was town was the very first time I played with her, and I pushed her there. My best play as scum is to buddy her, make her feel comfortable with me, and go from there. It does a scum version of me no good to push bella here at this stage of the game.
Also, why are you townreading eddie? I don't really see a reason to townread him yet.
I don't really agree that it would do scum!Fro99er "no good" to push bella early. The most important thing for scum early is to look like they're sorting the game and to break up any potential town-blocs that are forming, and if you think bella could become a strong town voice then it's helpful to discredit her and start sowing seeds of doubt early on. And who knows, maybe a bunch of people would sheep you on this logic and either you'd get an early mislynch or you could flip it around where you start to see her as town and instead direct your attention to those who jumped on an early bella wagon.
I'm townreading eddie cause I feel he's not playing with an agenda and he's been rather transparent in posts like 94, 99, 116
In post 173, Fro99er wrote:Add GL to the list of people willing to scumread me but not vote me.
See this kind of thing just reads to me as scummy, lazy play. It's not inherently scummy to have suspicion on someone but not vote them. I currently feel I would gain more information and move the game to a better state by joining eddie on SBF.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 175, Eddie Cane wrote:btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.
I do it ever fucking game.
Every game.
It's NAI for me.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
but eddie did do one of my biggest scumtells, so yeah
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 176, GuiltyLion wrote:See this kind of thing just reads to me as scummy, lazy play. It's not inherently scummy to have suspicion on someone but not vote them.
THATS NOT WHAT I SAID
I said there's a large list of people suspecting me but not voting me. I never said that makes you scummy.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
its something so easy for scum to latch onto. And it works almost every time. I have plenty of examples.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
its something so easy for scum to latch onto. And it works almost every time. I have plenty of examples.
In post 175, Eddie Cane wrote:btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 28, Aristophanes wrote:You will receive the I Am Error Achievement for this!
(For pointing out a Mod Error). I'll post a list at the end of the game.)
That last closing parenthesis has no corresponding opener.
Achievement earned!!!
In post 171, GuiltyLion wrote:If he's scum here, he can start with a flawed assumption ("bella jumped to a conclusion early"), then use a valid, well-sourced argument about her play that he honestly believes
I agree that if I have an issue w/ the Bella angle it is definitely on the soundness of the premise and not the validity of the logic because as I said, Bella saying two people aren't scum together is about as softball an assertion as you can make; at this point I'd rather just see Bella & Frogger interact more and read them off that
In post 175, Eddie Cane wrote:btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.
In post 179, Fro99er wrote:but eddie did do one of my biggest scumtells, so yeah
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here -- I think it's entirely reasonable to point out that if you're self aware enough to point out your self-meta you're self-aware enough to manipulate it; I don't see how your self-assessment that you do it every game is germane to his alignment
specifically I don't think TTTT has done really anything but throw out some vaguely reasoned townreads and asked a couple questions; was surprised to see him on your top tier
lowell I just don't really have a good handle on; I find him opaque and don't empathize with the reasoning behind most of his reads
I'm going to refrain from saying something pending what sfb comes back with. I have something interesting though.
I also do not get tttt being so high at all btw, through the rest of these reads line up similar ish to mine so it's not awful. Lowell needs to produce more too for an accurate read.
hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.
In post 175, Eddie Cane wrote:btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.
In post 179, Fro99er wrote:but eddie did do one of my biggest scumtells, so yeah
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here -- I think it's entirely reasonable to point out that if you're self aware enough to point out your self-meta you're self-aware enough to manipulate it; I don't see how your self-assessment that you do it every game is germane to his alignment
It's a scumtell i use to high success.
I do this as town or scum, but I tend to only get called out on it by scum players when's i'm town.
When i'm scum, I tend not to get called out on it.
It's not a perfect tell, but it has a high success rate.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 192, Eddie Cane wrote:hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.
Then why did you join this game?
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 192, Eddie Cane wrote:hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.
Then why did you join this game?
because on a site where days are 2 weeks long I don't want to wait 2 months to do a mafia game?
I do this as town or scum, but I tend to only get called out on it by scum players when's i'm town.
When i'm scum, I tend not to get called out on it.
It's not a perfect tell, but it has a high success rate.
Can you give me 1 or 2 examples just to establish some context for your experience?
Yep. When i'm back at my computer I will
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 192, Eddie Cane wrote:hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.
Don't worry Eddie I'll make sure to get you lynched before that
On a more serious note, I've skimmed through Frog's iso in a couple other games and I'm not seeing this as scum. His play in Mini 1734 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63822) reminds me a lot of his this game (although I haven't read it too in depth). Null for now.
