Well, Fro99er has since pointed out that he didn't say that people on his "list" are scummy, which makes me wonder why he's even keeping it. Just pointing out that players scumread him but are not voting him doesn't give any actual insight into his thoughts on those players. Like, he's noted/implied that Lowell, TTTT, and I have all done this, but we can't all be scum.In post 215, Bellaphant wrote:I think Fro99er has shown he is the opposite of intellectually lazy - I want to come back to a poost from him in a second. Can you expand a little on your last sentence?In post 168, GuiltyLion wrote:It is absolutely meant to keep suspicion on. I didn't like the naked vote and I didn't like her response to me, I see no reason to townread SBF yet. This thought from you feels intellectually lazy, as if you're operating from a framework where casting suspicion on anyone is automatically scummy.In post 107, Fro99er wrote:Now that I reread it, the second sentence looks like trying to keep suspicion on. The first sentence also kinda looks like GL read into what Bork was trying to get at and answered accordingly.
yes, say what about pre-associative before a flip. I just explained that my reason for townreading TTTT is that I don't think scum!TTTT would have made that townread on a town!SS. It follows that if SS is scum, that reasoning does not apply and it's therefore possible TTTT could be scum with her.In post 215, Bellaphant wrote:ummm say what about pre-associatives before a flip? Can you explain this a little?In post 210, GuiltyLion wrote:I will say that the reasoning for my TR on TTTT is dependent on SS actually being town. A SS scumflip would swing me to taking a harder look at TTTT again. Eddie asked him about why he was townreading SS, I'd like to see him answer that
but Fro99er has already said in this game that he uses wifom as either alignment. I'm having a hard time believing that you think one similar use of wifom in a town game would therefore make him town in this one - but then again, you didn't even say he was town (see point below).In post 219, Sobolev Space wrote:His focus on meta reads and (to a lesser degree) wifom.In post 209, GuiltyLion wrote:what specifically about his play in that game reminds you of this game?
but, null is not a read? You literally made no conclusion about what you think his alignment is. I'm asking why bother to post in that case, you're citing evidence for the sake of evidence without actually giving us something to work with in regards to your read on him.In post 219, Sobolev Space wrote:Because it was information that contributed to my read on him?In post 209, GuiltyLion wrote:And why go through the motion of explaining this just to shelve him at a nullread?
In post 222, Sobolev Space wrote:GL's last few posts are atrocious.
"I don't understand why TTTT is strongly TR-ing SS so he's probably town"In post 208, GuiltyLion wrote:the strong SS townread seems unnatural to come from scum - I don't think SS has done anything especially obvtown this game to force a TR, and I would expect scum to try to keep her mislynchable if she's town.
How on earth would scum town reading some rando direct away a lynch? Who do you think scum would choose to fake TR instead of me?In post 213, GuiltyLion wrote:see I generally agree with this, but I don't think SS would be the townie that TTTT would do that with. She's been pretty low key and under the radar. There's no lynch to strongly direct away, and there's no massive SS presence that needs to be buddied/pocketed/townread.
Well I disagree, I saw you making a lazy meta comment and I wanted to dive into it more. Why did you think they were pointless?
It's not that I don't understand, it's that I didn't believe there was any scum motivation to it.In post 231, Sobolev Space wrote: "I don't understand why TTTT is strongly TR-ing SS so he's probably town"
I mean you just saw how I did it with EccentricLemon in our Newbie Game, I recognized people were going to scumread her/push on her so I decided to townread her and it kept her alive to endgame.In post 231, Sobolev Space wrote: How on earth would scum town reading some rando direct away a lynch? Who do you think scum would choose to fake TR instead of me?
The thing I didn't like was that I got the impression from Fro99er initially that he was calling it out as if it's scummy behavior, and I didn't think that logic held up. But he made it a point to clarify that he wasn't, so presumably he agrees.In post 232, Bellaphant wrote:@gl, do you think he even thinks it's scummy at this point? i mean, part of me gets his frustration about throwing shade (also, he called me not town and didn't vote me, so...) but
i agree, the comments would be better with clearer reads attached.
would town!ttt make that read on town!ss though? it just feels an arse-backwards way of looking at it? I mean, I'm town-reading ss anyway...
like, if I were scum in TTTT's shoes and also assuming that I knew Fro99er and Eddie were town (and SS too I guess), and bork asked me for reads, then I'd probably townread one of them instead. SS seems more mislynchable than Fro99er would be, and Eddie at that point seemed too mislynchable where you'd probably "look more town" and buddy him by townreading him. It's kinda hard for me to think about it or explain beyond that since I'm now making boatloads of assumptions and trying to think from a perspective that I don't really have.In post 234, Bellaphant wrote:explain '
If I were scum at the time of TTTT's 150 I'd probably oddball TR someone like Fro99er or Eddie (assuming that they're town) instead.' to me?
i have mixed feelings about the last past of your post. so it's mainly because they specifically tr ss over anyone else there?
), which I townread him for at the time since I liked where his head was at and I didn't see any scum benefit to narrowing his lynchpool that quickly to those four players by page 2. Blackstar started pushing him on it, and I made the point in that post:
Actually wait, if you're calling this an 'oddball' TR that ostensibly scum would do why is SS [that you have described as an unconventional townread] any differentIn post 233, GuiltyLion wrote:If I were scum at the time of TTTT's 150 I'd probably oddball TR someone like Fro99er or Eddie (assuming that they're town) instead.
Ok yeah you're literally giving an example of you doing the thing as scum that you're townreading TTTT (at your highest tier) for doingIn post 233, GuiltyLion wrote:I mean you just saw how I did it with EccentricLemon in our Newbie Game, I recognized people were going to scumread her/push on her so I decided to townread her and it kept her alive to endgame.
I agree. sbf had next to 0 content, he was easy to forget, but a scum buddy wouldn't do that most likely because he'd be on the mind. both could independently be scum but most likely not together.In post 241, borkjerfkin wrote:question of the day is does scum-lowell forget to even mention buddy scum-sbf in catchup post 114
I am thinking probably not and that they're not scum together