BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[Rem and Ram]

Dododo!
VOTE: Vifam
obv.
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

Hey BYF you wanna see something cool
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

Hey BYF you wanna see something cool
-Rem

As long as it isn't blasphemy (hopefully you know what I mean by that).

With love, Rem

[Rem and Ram]

oh yeah btw have a vote.
VOTE: BYF
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

So did you guys both enjoy Re:Zero? Because I found it to be annoying and probably one of my lowest rated in a long time.

I enjoyed it.
HS not so much from what I remember.
He went with the name anyway for some reason.
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

[quote="In post 29, Spiffeh"][/quote]I spy with my little eye...A Spiffeh!
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

^This is probs town for wanting to run someone up just to get a read on them^
VOTE: Glorkington
-Rem
pedit: THis was meant to be under the fire hydra's post but whatever.

[Rem and Ram]

Wait seriously? you'd be the direct opposite of me then.

Yeah!

I get reads better when people are scumreading me.

I'm like this as well.
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

Anyway town points for sakura firebringer yoshi.

Why is yoshi getting town points again?
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

I've made more than three posts in the last hour, I'm practically confirmed town

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Firebringer is probably town.

Eh, I could see this as an early attempt to distance.

What makes you think it comes off as distancing?
-Rem

[Rem and Ram]

Fire I have a feeling that there's either 1 hood of 5 and the rest of the hoods are hoods of 4 dudes.
-Rem
pedit: Marquis look at my sig.
pedit2: Spif why you voting Beeboy again?
pedit3: Planned because? And dude isn't distancing a thing where a scum team scumreads another member? Pretty sure that's what it is.
pedit4: Can I post?

[Rem and Ram]

Ah you're talking about Fire and Glork.
Goooootcha.
-Rem (Alisae)

[Rem and Ram]

Scumreads on the hydras. I'm satisfied with the work I've made for today.

Hey BYF.
Think to yourself for a moment why you are full of shit here.
-Rem (Alisae)

[Rem and Ram]

These choice of words alone have me townreading Marquis.

What choice of words would you have expected scum to say?
-Rem (Alisae)

[Rem and Ram]

Scumreads on the hydras. I'm satisfied with the work I've made for today.

Hey BYF.
Think to yourself for a moment why you are full of shit here.
-Rem (Alisae)

*jeopardy theme song*
My board is left blank.

Well for starters there's more then Fire's hydra and my hydra.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Don't justify a townread on me with your scumreads on the hydras. Not cool

And you gets a townread.

BYF I was refering to the VoT Hydra (TB and Titus). But thanks for clearifying.

And Vifam explain your votes!
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

I feel like some of these scumreads on Spif are fake and scum are just trying to read the table to see what's possible right now but this is mostly gut.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Spiffeh I'll join you on this adventure.
VOTE: SAD
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Yoshi is town because I think scum would play more consciously than the way he proceeded on first page, plus I liked his other posts after.

This was the post that I liked.

~Rick, Leader

What did you like about it?
-Ali (Rem)

[Rem and Ram]

Vifam what's your SAD read and why?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Glork what are your thoughts on the game sofar?


And in fire we trust, he shall be given power to lead.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

So did you guys both enjoy Re:Zero? Because I found it to be annoying and probably one of my lowest rated in a long time.

I haven't actually seen it, Rem and Ram are just cute as hell and so is Felix. I love every character I've seen but I'm scared to watch it because it's probably ass, according to Digibro who I generally agree with and now you.

Wait seriously? you'd be the direct opposite of me then.

Yeah!

I get reads better when people are scumreading me.

So am I! But only because you inspired it in me. Yes, your scumgame inspired my towngame >.>

I know it looks like I'm buddying Arthur already but he's the only one whose posted stuff I actually wanna respond to atm.

Hella excited to play with Marquis.

81
lmaoooooo

Creature, I'd absolutely love details on sadScum.

-Humane Sequancing

[Rem and Ram]

Sorry Alisae I wanna be here instead.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature
-Hugh Man Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

Creature, why do you scumread SAD?
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

Okay, I'll lurk until I get a decent townread.

Just wondering, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being "I care a lot" how much do you care about this game?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Voices by far my strongest scumread

Because?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

I am Steven Quartz and also a Millipede.

This is scum too.

OH NO!
YUME GETS A SCUMREAD!
NOW SHE'LL NEVER POST IN THREAD AGAIN!

What an easy scumread to fake dude.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Tier list

Sakura

,

Yoshi

,

Creature

Gork, RemRam, RickAndrea,

Vifam

,

Vecna

, Marquis
MoI, Majiffy, kuro, beeboy

Spiffeh

, Steven

Voices

Why to the bolded.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Vecna is town

Creature is town

Cheetory lean town
Voices by far my strongest scumread

Vote: Voices

Could you elaborate here?

^this^

@Yoshi I've seen nothing alignment indicative from Arthur so far, I get the feeling he's actively shitposting.
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

So... Rem and Ram, what's YOUR stance on SAD?
I recall you asking about him a few times.

I also feel like your throwing questions out for the sake of it, so prove me wrong here.

Scum.
Also people said this exact same bullshit thing (bolded) in House of Harmony and I was town.
So I'll rephrase the bolded to:

Let me say something so that I can make more of a reach and continue to fake my scumread on you.

-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Wait Steven is Yume?

Yeah
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Okay, I'll lurk until I get a decent townread.

Just wondering, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being "I care a lot" how much do you care about this game?
-Rem (Ali)

What would you rate if you definitely want to influence the game and win?

Bruh I'm not giving you your answer.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

For the record, I share a neighborhood with R&R. What they have been posting in there as well as here does not seem to come from town. Their hydra discordance comes across as unnatural and attempting to discredit the other head (in our hood) also comes across as unnatural.

Oh I have to deal with this bullshit. You're probs town for wanting me ran up like this.
Wowie, I didn't know playful behavoir is scummy.
Okay, let's out the whole neighborhood while we're at it, it's not like scum doesn't know this already because there is most likely 1 scum in here: Vifam, This Hydra, VoT Hydra, and BYF.
BTW reason why I SR BYF is a lot of their posts seem really fake in the hood.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Yeah Rem Ram posting on page 13 felt super icky. I actually kinda liked their posting before that, but the double-team thing on page 13 felt forced.

I'm glad you're bussing early Voices.

Hello oppertunistic scum, how are you today?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Okay, let's kill Rem Ram with fire.

Hello oppertunistic scum, how are you today?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Why are ppl scumreading them

They feel really over-the-top in their interactions, and it doesn't seem like a playstyle thing.

Hi, my name is Alisae. It's very nice to meet you.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Scum Butts {Titusdra, Rem and Ram}

In what world do you think two scum are in the same neighborhood together?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Whatever.
I think scum are on my wagon so...
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Im not really convinced idk guys not really feeling that wagon

Bruh you can't convince scum to not hop on that shit.
I think it's crystal clear scum are perfectly okay with killing my slot now lol.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Whatever.
I think scum are on my wagon so...
-Rem (Ali)

Who are the scum on your wagon?

BYF possible. My main problem with them is that everything about their scumread on me is a reach.
Maj nah, I don't see it.
Titus hydra, maybe but probably not.
Creature, yes and please do kill this.
Sakura, their sheep vote on me is fucking disgusting
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

Don't you go scaring my sheep off, I work very hard to have this kind of power over people.

You mean you worked hard to have the power of leading the town into disorder and basicly giving scum a free pass to attempt to sheep you?
Yeah... can you explain to me why Sakura is town to me?
Paint the picture loudly and clearly.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Like it legit came out of nowhere so Im kind of like ???? the only person I know who really mapped out a reason was BYF and Voices

Do you think they're towny for this, or scum trying to justify their vote?
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

I answered this last time someone asked why I was townreading Sak.

Why don't you try reading the thread?

Also cool job trying to throw dirt at me, for someone who just said a few posts ago that you don't think I'm the scum on your wagon.

Honestly I think Sak has you pocketed.
And I'm just saying you're leading a bad wagon.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

Alisae why do you think Sakura is scum?

-Rick

Do you have any scum reads atm?

Not really, i dont feel like putting much effort into the game atm.

I should probably just sheep Majiffy.

VOTE: R&R

Because this sequence of events is scummy.
-Rem (Ali)

[Rem and Ram]

And Spiffeh continues to ask pointless questions that are serving him no purpose b/c he's not following up on them

Sakura what do you think of SAD?

Do you have any scum reads atm?

beeboy why are you scum reading Rem and Ram?

Majiffy I have ISO'd you and remain unconvinced

What do you think of SAD?

This really looks like you're just throwing this out there just to get Spif discreditted.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

VOTE: Rem and Ram
Willing to see where this goes.

-Rick

This vote is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

What exactly are you looking for?

Some actual scumhunting and some reads that just don't seem conveniantly fake like your Yume alt read which I don't know how you were able to base off of 1 post. I mean anyone else sure but ffs it's Yume.

And also your read progression on us which went from this:

Tier list

Sakura, Yoshi, Creature
Gork, RemRam, RickAndrea, Vifam, Vecna, Marquis
MoI, Majiffy, kuro, beeboy
Spiffeh, Steven
Voices

To this:

Yeah Rem Ram posting on page 13 felt super icky. I actually kinda liked their posting before that, but the double-team thing on page 13 felt forced.

I'm glad you're bussing early Voices.

Not to mention the main problem I have with your Spif read is that I just disagree with it completely and I feel like Spif's tone is really towny.
-Ali
pedit: Sakura why am I scum?

[Rem and Ram]

Sakura why am I scum?

Becuase Majiffy said so

I didnt like your reaction to my sheep, it felt all sorts of OMGUSy

and my reaction to your sheep indicates scummy OMGUS because?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Ali when is your partner planning on showing up and doing some posting?

He has done some posting.
He voted Creature ffs!
Not to mention he's australian.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Spoiler: HS' 4 posts

So did you guys both enjoy Re:Zero? Because I found it to be annoying and probably one of my lowest rated in a long time.

I haven't actually seen it, Rem and Ram are just cute as hell and so is Felix. I love every character I've seen but I'm scared to watch it because it's probably ass, according to Digibro who I generally agree with and now you.

Wait seriously? you'd be the direct opposite of me then.

Yeah!

I get reads better when people are scumreading me.

So am I! But only because you inspired it in me. Yes, your scumgame inspired my towngame >.>

I know it looks like I'm buddying Arthur already but he's the only one whose posted stuff I actually wanna respond to atm.

Hella excited to play with Marquis.

81
lmaoooooo

Creature, I'd absolutely love details on sadScum.

-Humane Sequancing

Sorry Alisae I wanna be here instead.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature
-Hugh Man Sequencer

Creature, why do you scumread SAD?
-Human Sequencer

Vecna is town

Creature is town

Cheetory lean town
Voices by far my strongest scumread

Vote: Voices

Could you elaborate here?

^this^

@Yoshi I've seen nothing alignment indicative from Arthur so far, I get the feeling he's actively shitposting.
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

I don't disagree with you on it being weak vote,

I'm more concerned with why you placed it if you knew it was weak.
And you should be ashamed because I geniunely don't believe by placing that vote you are interested in sorting me tbh.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

I kind of want to know why you are flailing at the pressure being put on you.

I kinda want to know why you didn't expect me to flail. Because this sounds like you didn't expect me to flail.
Like, I always flail when I'm under pressure like this.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Creature umm...
Why?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

That's about the "I won't oppose wagons on my townreads part."
I mean saying you're scum would make that line acceptable (And I do think you are scum).
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

VoT you're dieing.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

But thanks for making me conftown if it's real
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Also MoI are you asking me what I think of that post or what others are supposed to think about it.
MoI I'm confused ;~;
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Oh! You are asking me
Well usually if the "too scummy to be scum" gambit is being played, it's coming from scum cause town has no reason to play that gambit
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Yes Fire I did.
Look at me, I'm learning
Aren't I so cool
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

But MoI! I want Creature AND SAD. ;~;
Can I get both?
Also for some reason HS changed my vote off of SAD and I dunno why and HS townreads SAD for a sad reason that's sad because I dunno why because he hasn't told me why but I think it's really bad tbh.
Cuz like, I really feel like Creature is scum here.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Beeboy how you know the Desperado is fake?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

I wish that I could fly.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Fly and watch over you like my guardian angel.
hehe, I should try writing Poetry some time
My words just sound so magical to me
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Also MoI I'll talk to HS about SAD.
Because HS last time I checked TRed SAD for some reason I don't really understand.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

some of the rhetoric in this game is getting really boring btw.

you can keep saying "y nobody vote person" "omg wagon not happening i am sad" and "this person is scummzz post bad scum wowow"
but its not going to change anything and is padding the content of the game.

i get im a total hypocrite because im a jokey fuck who posts too much.
but lets not drive this game's pagecount to 100 on absolutely nothing of value.

i dont have the same kind of time that i used to and if i get apathetic im going to be useless. please dont get me there.

catching up, up to this

this is important plz do this everybody

-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

GORK IM HERE
TALK TO ME BRO, WE'RE ON A WAVELENGTH YOU ARE SAYING MY THOUGHTS
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

Oh yeah catchup

BYF solid town, vifam pretty towny

That's literally it, I thought I had more, oh well. I posted this in our hood and am now waiting on a response from Titus

"I'm catching up in thread.

750
Titus, I'm having a hard time buying that you truly think the inconsistency between our beliefs are scummy.

They scumread BYF, but would have me desperado Vifam. Yet, they argue only one scum in the hood? You can evaluate what I said the contents of the hood were.

If you actually read this neighbourhood, you'll recognize that I had an incredibly light scumread on BYF earlier (They're now solid town), Alisae would have you desperado Vifam, and we both disagreed on one scum in the hood.
How can you reconcile {REDACTED} as 'They argue only one scum in the hood?'

Then, they began posting off in the hood when I suggested wagoning SAD. They said essentially "don't bother, they'll get townread". Yet, they didn't appear to be SRing SAD.

I townread Arthur. Alisae has pointed this out in thread.
I didn't want to wagon Arthur, because Arthur is a strong player, and I sincerely believe that a wagon on scumArthur will create good and towny responses from Arthur that will get him townread. Therefore, wagoning him wouldn't help me sort the slot at all, and a lynch that early wouldn't have gone through.
I understand you may disagree witht his logic, but how does this logic make me scummy?

No one's disputing my comment about Rem saying SAD should not be wagoned because SAD would get townreads.

No one's disputing that Rem wanted a Desperado shot on Vifam based on hood PoE but scumread BYF allegedly.

No one's disputing Rem's deflections and strawmanning of pushing against her.

If no one disputes a statement about hood activities, and they can, it's generally ok to use them.

This in particular is screaming to me like you're trying to justify an easy lynch.

What, in particular, about our logical inconsistencies is scummy, especially when you consider that it's easily explained as our two heads simply just disagreeing?

I will probably be posting this mostly verbatim in the thread when I do my full catchup, I'm putting it here early to give you time to hopefully read this and respond before that to inform what I think of your slot."

[Rem and Ram]

-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Titus, level with me here. You've already made up your mind and you're reading our posts as if we're mod confirmed scum, you're not considering any other option. Can you imagine how frustrating that would be to deal with, especially considering I wasn't even here for most of it?

I've given you valid reasoning to explain the issues you have with our posts, would you at least consider it?

[Rem and Ram]

-HS fuck

[Rem and Ram]

BYF and Vifam can both testify my recollection of the events against your replication of them in 750, which is very light on details.
Do you have any other reasoning for scumreading us?
We have reason to believe that you should have come to expect Alisae to flail as town, and not as scum.
Alisae thinks you're lock scum, I'm not so sure.

I could buy you having a secondary reason to scumread me and choosing to paint our hood interactions as scummy to force a lynch on a very strong scumread, so if that's what's happening just come out and own up.
If that's entirely your reasoning I'm finding it difficult to believe a player of your stature would come to scumread us based on only that. Please elaborate more clearly on your reasoning?
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

I don't like Creature's response or lack thereof, slot needs to die tbh.

Fire kinda town, liked his 'weak' vote on us and explanation after.

Not lynching Majiffy today.
^just some reads Alisae managed to wriggle out of me.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Sorry Alisae I wanna be here instead.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature
-Hugh Man Sequencer

Vote hasn't moved bruv.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I am scumhunting, I'm actively trying to sort your slot atm and you're making it really difficult.
Would you help me out with that?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

BYF and Vifam can both testify my recollection of the events against your replication of them in 750, which is very light on details.
Do you have any other reasoning for scumreading us?
We have reason to believe that you should have come to expect Alisae to flail as town, and not as scum.
Alisae thinks you're lock scum, I'm not so sure.

I could buy you having a secondary reason to scumread me and choosing to paint our hood interactions as scummy to force a lynch on a very strong scumread, so if that's what's happening just come out and own up.
If that's entirely your reasoning I'm finding it difficult to believe a player of your stature would come to scumread us based on only that. Please elaborate more clearly on your reasoning?
-Human Sequencer

Yeah all I did this post was plead, beg and manipulatively AtE
Titus best mafia player 2017
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Fuck off with that bullshit. Alisae was joking.
What is the scum motivation for that discredit? As you said she LITERALLY DISCREDITED HER OWN HYDRA HEAD
Unless you think she's just in such a scummy mindset that she instinctively jumps on discredit opportunities like that? In which case, why isn't she still doing it? Why isn't the thread littered with those little discredits?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Regardless you're town I don't need to sort your slot anymore.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Creats, I pretty much convinced Alisae to scumread you.
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

It's OK vecna, we can take the fall together.
We won't though because Arthur's town.
-Human Sequencer

[Rem and Ram]

The Yume alt is most likely town because people are poking at it for being Yume. If it was scum I would expect people to just leave it alone tbh.
I mean seriously, this is textbook Yume.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

tl;dr
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Fine I'll read ;~;
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Okay SAD I read we can be friends now.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

btw if anyone wants to talk to me, I'm here. So AMA.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

oh btw people like these so here we go.
{Spiff, MoI, SAD, Majiffy, Gork, Vifam} <--- Don't want to Lynch today tier
{Yume Alt, R&A} <--- Softer TRs.
{Kuror, Vecna, Beeboy, Marquis} <--- People I dont want to sort right now
{BYF} <--- His scumread on us is mostly reachy but HS tells me he's town and I still disagree.
{Sakura, VoT, Creature} <--- Kill these.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Don't want to sort as in haven't really felt interested or gotten around to sorting them.
-Ali
pedit: Why?

[Rem and Ram]

{Spiff, MoI, SAD, Majiffy, Gork, Vifam} <--- Don't want to Lynch today tier

Yeah please enlighten me on how SAD can possibly be in this first tier after his performance today

HS stated why earlier, but another reason I'm adding to that is me and HS both agreed that we want him around to keep the game alive. I don't think we'll be catching scum!SAD day 1.

Also Creature is scum who needs rope and Creature I saw you but I'ma let HS answer.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Like shit, just because someone plays badly doesn't meant they're scum. If that's how things worked around here I would get lynched just about every Day 1.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Spiff, I'm pretty sure you're biased on Arthur. His actions earlier in the day, refusing to interact with you, were more important to you than they are to him. You valued his response more than he did, and I don't think him refusing to interact with you was alignment indicative. I really do think they're town.

Creature is scum. His posts lack any real drive or motivation. Very early in the game, he was scumhunting Arthur instead of operating on his usual townread PoE game.
He is also not only -lurking-, but -actively lurking-. Check activity overview and notice how Creature isn't on the top, also notice how many of his posts have been contentless.
What townCreature posts shit like this?

*lurking*

His motivation for this game is ded. I thinkt hat's telling.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Marquis if you post in this game I'll give you some cookies. Alisae baked them fresh. Gork, do you want some too?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Hey, let's be real, if I were scum, why would I try scumhunting rather than doing my usual PoE which is easier? I still sometimes scumhunt like this.

I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

@Vecna, when have I trolled at all whatsoever?
Alisae on the otherhand can be read as trollish if you're unfamilliar with how she plays I guess.
Iso her in literally any of her towngames.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

It doesn't actually matter as long as we all vote Creature tbh.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

so if this is genuinely townTitus trying to organize things, you should take a step back, organize your thoughts on him into something particularly tangible/easy for people to digest and then push it.
otherwise youre just making waves and giving sad noise to respond to.

gork speaks so much truth

til gork and i are the same person

titus; {me, arthur, creature and somebody else idk who} is scum, great, help me bus creature

[Rem and Ram]

-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Titus is town, Arthur is town, don't let this destroy the thread kthx.
Help me lynch creature then everything will be All Right

pedit ok let me rephrase
you said creature and i are scum together, great, help me bus creature if that's the case
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

titus you're not yourself r u ok
-hs

[Rem and Ram]

I don't think Creature has been sorting this game at all, so I guess I should analyze his case on Sakura.
All I saw him do was spout out reads.

I think he could be improving his scum game enough to be active and post more.
Most of his posts aren't anything but quiping to whats going on, or making a generalized statement, none of which are trying to engage players or actual scum hunt.

~Rick

His scumgame hasn't improved at all tho. This is the same basic surface-level play it's always been.
It's also exactly what you described below.
After this and 1213 I'm starting to dislike this slot.
Mariar, post more pls <3
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Dislike as in scumz, btw
Actually a lot of my problems could just be Fire's shitty day, my thoughts with u friend feel gudz
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Wow.

[Rem and Ram]

I wasn't being sarcastic.

[Rem and Ram]

Hope you feel better soon
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Vecna what right do you have to ask that when your vote is parked on quartz.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

SAD we can talk.
Talking makes me happy and not sad.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

{Spiff, MoI, SAD, Majiffy, Gork, Vifam} <--- Don't want to Lynch today tier

Yeah please enlighten me on how SAD can possibly be in this first tier after his performance today

HS stated why earlier, but another reason I'm adding to that is me and HS both agreed that we want him around to keep the game alive. I don't think we'll be catching scum!SAD day 1.

Also Creature is scum who needs rope and Creature I saw you but I'ma let HS answer.
-Ali

I covered it here!
Basicly A. Priorities - Creature needs rope.
B. HS talked me out of it and told me things I don't particularly want to out right now.
C. Considering your wagon was the counter wagon to my own, and considering the similar people that were both on. My wagon as well as yours, I feel like that suggests that both of our wagons are town, tho this is mostly gut, and I honestly need to double check this because I'm on mobile and I'm going off of memory.

[Rem and Ram]

Ali posting btw.

[Rem and Ram]

Hey, Ali. Are you up for a pact of death?

Meaning?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

You're that confident in your read on us huh?
I feel like that's a gambit you would make as scum tbh.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Obviously declining that gladiate offer, Creature, and I doubt you're taking it seriously yourself.

It's up to town to decide if we're scum after your lynch, not some pact you arranged beforehand.
Besides that, human infallibility comes into play.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I don't understand the Vecna scumreads whatsoever, and even Alisae is behind it so I can't call it scum motivated.

Let's all lynch Creature.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

What fucking nightmare fuel did you get that shit from

Serial Experiments Lain.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

This is -not- how Creature always plays town, Vecna.

Compare Creature between these games.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69868 <- scum
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495 <- town
And this one.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Every post in which Creature posted no content at all to inflate his postcount because he knows lurking is his scumtell:

175
176
179
186
188
190
192
210
240
415
578
645
677
680
699
773
817
818
934
I'm getting bored of this but you get the point.
I was also incredibly generous with this-- Do the iso dive yourself and realize how weak and noncommittal all of his stances are.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

To clarify I gave up half way through but they didn't stop coming.
Creature is right-- I've only ever "misread" him when I was scum trying to get him lynched D1 before be became unlynchable and because I rightly thought he was PR.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Nothing at all, I just want Creature lynched atm.
What's up with Beeboy? What posts in particular should I be looking at?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I want Mariar to tell me why they scumread Vecna tbh.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Also!
Hey Mariar it's been a while how you doin!
I promise I won't strongarm your lynch again this game!
Unless you're scum I guess ;~;
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Ya.
Read his posts. Read the content, not just the amount. Point is how non-committal and disengaged he is with the game.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

HS can actually read quite well. The fact she's obviously lying about my meta makes me think she's scum.

Oh you poor poor soul.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

What I think about Vecna's push on MoI
(And it's all gut btw)

-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Ank I got chu on Creature.

This is -not- how Creature always plays town, Vecna.

Compare Creature between these games.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69868 <- scum
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495 <- town
And this one.
-HS

Creature is scum. His posts lack any real drive or motivation. Very early in the game, he was scumhunting Arthur instead of operating on his usual townread PoE game.
He is also not only -lurking-, but -actively lurking-. Check activity overview and notice how Creature isn't on the top, also notice how many of his posts have been contentless.
What townCreature posts shit like this?

*lurking*

His motivation for this game is ded. I think that's telling.
-HS

-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Why are people voting beeboy > Creature?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Catching up.
Ali told me you're lynching Beeboy, ISO'd Beeboy, don't lynch beeboy, beeboy is town.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

man it sure is fun when literally everyone just says "lynch this person" or "dont lynch this person".
it really is hard to justify my vote when im getting so convinced elsewhere.
:')

This is cool an all but I believe we stated our case on Creature already.

This is -not- how Creature always plays town, Vecna.

Compare Creature between these games.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69868 <- scum
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495 <- town
And this one.
-HS

Creature is scum. His posts lack any real drive or motivation. Very early in the game, he was scumhunting Arthur instead of operating on his usual townread PoE game.
He is also not only -lurking-, but -actively lurking-. Check activity overview and notice how Creature isn't on the top, also notice how many of his posts have been contentless.
What townCreature posts shit like this?

*lurking*

His motivation for this game is ded. I think that's telling.
-HS

Your thoughts on this?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

gork is town, that's my read, hope you enjoyed :^)

let me catch up first then i might get back to you bruv

-HS

[Rem and Ram]

that was meant to be a spoiler but i am not smart
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

ISO Creature and tell me what you think of his read on BYF.
Creature posts his reads in the thread as town. He's a stream of conciousness poster, and the lack of him signalling his read change is damning.
Still catching up.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I love this.

[Rem and Ram]

MoI has been telling me to vote Vecna and so far I didn't, so that's not really true.

LOOK AT THIS SHIT DO I EVEN HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS SCUMMY

Creature, I'm getting Chosen Mafia flashbacks.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Can't wait until Creature flips scum and Gork gives me a hi five

I agree with Beeboy's reads a lot, and can clearly see how they progressed, and when they're wrong, I think it's because they're reading the situation wrong/differently, as opposed to construing a read.
Esp. like the Spiffeh townread in 801, that kind of thinking doesn't come from scum.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Titus town.
I don't want more Gork vs. Titus and I don't want more MoI vs. The World.

BYF, let's make the thread a nice place.
Readslist incoming.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Ser Arthur Dayne - Town
MagnaofIllusion - Town
Gorkington - Town
Spiffeh - Town
Sakura Hana - Glazing over their posts, idk
Rick and Andrea - Town
Vifam - Forgot they were in this game tbh, unsure
kuror0 - No idea, don't remember any of their posts at all
Vecna - Kinda town, not entirely sure
Voices of Truth (Titus and Thinkbig) - Town
Majiffy - Was town earlier, not so sure anymore
BigYoshiFan - Town
beeboy - Town
Steven Quartz - lol. Nothing readable from ank yet.
Creature - Lynch this shit.
Marquis - Town

[Rem and Ram]

Here is a more important list

Ser Arthur Dayne - miss the earlygame funposting, being a lil mean to MoI but that's ok because its hilarious
MagnaofIllusion - needs to take the game a little less seriously tbh
Gorkington - getting frustrated, don't be so down my dude
Spiffeh - i miss u
Sakura Hana - idk still glazing their posts as if they were a fine donut
Rick and Andrea - hope u feeling better bro, mariar i miss u
Vifam - :mr_shifty:
kuror0 - bye lmao
Vecna - change your avi it triggers me
Voices of Truth - ITS JUST A GAME BRO
Majiffy - i'll just be a jiffy (you pass with flying colours)
BigYoshiFan - hey bro how u doin
beeboy - a bee and also a boy what madness is this
Steven Quartz - lol
Creature - sorry you rolled scum
Marquis - hope u feelin better

[Rem and Ram]

@Gork
I don't have one. I have an impression on his towngame, which syncs up 1:1
I don't think I'm in a position to meta-read Beeboy, but I do think I don't need to because of how towny he's being.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Creature, I'm getting Chosen Mafia flashbacks.

Yeah, I'm someone who scum wants to lynch ASAP.

Cheeky. I giggled.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Btw, I'm not sure why HS says I'm giving Chosen Mafia flashbacks and that means I'm scum, I was town in Chosen Mafia. Check here.

I was referring to when I was gunning down PsychoticDave, and town didn't care.

Someone wanted scum bee meta? here's the most recent one: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/552912 although it's offsite.
Also that game is why i decided to stop putting effort.

>osu
TRIGGERED

Anyway I wanna have a convo with HS if they're ever here.

We can start with why you have a townread on me please.

~sorry I don't explain my reads because I get them weirdly~
Your earlygame shitposting bled town to me when I gave it a closer look and at the very least I feel like you'll be an easy sort later. I haven't come across anything objectionable since.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

No, it was a joke, don't bother trying to construe it into anything.

I feel like you're very obviously scum and I also feel like I'm shouting into a wind turbine over it and nobody's listening, like what happened with Dave.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Mastina to catch you up here:

Town List: Arthur, Sakura Hana, Vifam, Gorkington, Marquis, Yoshi
Very Likely Town: Voices of Truth, Spiffeh, Rem and Ram, Majiffy
Scum/Unsorted: You, Creature, Vecna, MagnaofIllusion, Ankamius,

~Rick

Honestly I don't like the fact you're trying to feed mastina something here.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Honestly the fact HS is townreading me so quickly after they said they'd be more careful of my gameplay b/c I tricked them last time in Masquerade ball is super concerning for me :S I feel like I'm being buddied/pocketed, esp with how quickly Alisae changed his read too.

Your paranoia here is towny.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Ank can I interest you in a Creature lynch?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

No.

Not without a lot of cake.

I can't offer that what if I told you that the secret to life is with a beeboy lynch?

Your lynch is shit, and I request that people do not subscribe to this news letter.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Oh noes, I'm copying you AND denying you your beeboy lynch.
Yeah I'm picking a fight cause scum!Creature is getting rekt today.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Glork you do you bud.
I'm just trying to lynch who I think is scum.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Anyway I wanna have a convo with HS if they're ever here.

We can start with why you have a townread on me please.

~sorry I don't explain my reads because I get them weirdly~
Your earlygame shitposting bled town to me when I gave it a closer look and at the very least I feel like you'll be an easy sort later. I haven't come across anything objectionable since.
-HS

I shitposted a lot in Masquerade ball too early on (esp when I was lazy and just trying to get Shadow lynched). Also how can you say I'm easier to sort later if my scum game becomes more lethal the fewer people there are because I have an easier time manipulating my posts specifically to what different people want to see.

I don't really buy this answer did you land scum HS

Your shitposting was -due- to your laziness. It's different here.

That's exactly why I think I'll be able to peg you easy as scum. I didn't want to say it so you wouldn't use it against me later, but I sensed that doctoring in large dance-- You became kinda apologetic and talked differently and it creeped the fuck out of me, remember? I believe I'd be able to pick up on that again.

NAAAAHHHHHHHDIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAA
Hi :3

idk, there should have more wagons, so far I was the only main wagon in the entire game.

DEMONSTRABLY FALSE

LITERALLY MADE A POST ABOUT THIS

HOLY FUCK LYNCH THIS FUCKING LIAR

I don't know how everybody and their mother is getting away with saying 'This looks nothing like Creature's scumgame' when it looks literally the exact same.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I'm skimming every post that doesn't directly mention Creature or directly call me out to respond, tia
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

JUST THREE MORE VOTES TO LYNCH SCUM

Mod

please update the OP to reflect the new replacements, I need to know who's autotown because they replaced into Beeboy's slot.
The push on byf was silly, noting that not so I can look back on it after Creats flips scum.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Oh no we're the counterwagon to Creature what ever will I do?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

If people actually want to talk with me, hi, I'm here.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Yeah I'm not voting Creature the circlejerk group can continue wasting their time pushing it.

Why are we waisting our time SAD?

Also Creature I discuss a lot of things with HS. I'm laying low and talking about the game with HS.
Yes, I'm not doing much right now. Good job in stating the obvious.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

In what world does Alisae actually think that's a strong enough world to preface it with "In what world"?

In what world is overexaggeration scummy again?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Sakura do you actually have a stance on Creature?
If so, point me to it.
If not, what is that stance and why?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Ye I'll get back to chu. Promise
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

In what world does Alisae actually think that's a strong enough world to preface it with "In what world"?

In what world is overexaggeration scummy again?
-Ali

EVERY WORLD, SCUM.

So, whenever I talk to you, I'm gonna preface everything with "In what world?" becuase in what world would I do that. Ya know?
In what world will Nahdia present a stronger case on me besides "overexaggerating" because it looks like that's all you got.
In what world does Nahdia give an actual stance on Creature?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

tbh Sakura I'm skimming.
Why does Creature look like frustrated town to you?
Why doesn't Creature feel like scum with his posting?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Sakura, here's my concern with ya.
Creature wagon makes an attempt to grow.
And here you are on just about every single counter wagon besides Ank.
Like up to now your talk with Majiffy it feels like you're trying to avoid this Creature talk and quite frankly it concerns me.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Like I kind of get the R&R wagon, I just wondering why this was happened?

tbh It's probably for the same reason Us, followed by SAD, followed by VoT, followed by Vecna, followed by Beeboy, followed by Ank all, followed by us again all happened.
If it's not that then I don't even know myself.
-Ali
pedit: OMGAWD IT'S GIN HAI THERE GIN

[Rem and Ram]

Alisae, I have a quick question. Do you feel as if you post differently when in a hydra as compared to when you're not?

tbh Gin I really don't get what you're asking here.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Alisae, I have a quick question. Do you feel as if you post differently when in a hydra as compared to when you're not?

tbh Gin I really don't get what you're asking here.
-Ali

Well that meta tell I thought I had on you, I'm thinking is actually how you write stuff in a hydra as compared to how you would without it. It's verbal spitballing really.

You mean the meta tell that you told me for what reason again? Like, if you have a personal tell on someone, I really do not understand why you tell that personal tell to them. What, do you want that tell to not work in the future?
Either way Gin you are onto some kind of science I don't usually think about when I write my post so...
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Alisae, I have a quick question. Do you feel as if you post differently when in a hydra as compared to when you're not?

tbh Gin I really don't get what you're asking here.
-Ali

Well that meta tell I thought I had on you, I'm thinking is actually how you write stuff in a hydra as compared to how you would without it. It's verbal spitballing really.

You mean the meta tell that you told me for what reason again? Like, if you have a personal tell on someone, I really do not understand why you tell that personal tell to them. What, do you want that tell to not work in the future?
Either way Gin you are onto some kind of science I don't usually think about when I write my post so...
-Ali

In a sense, yes? I think it's because I like a challenge. I like not being able to just instantly tell who's what. Plus, if I can't rely on meta, I have to focus on what you're trying to push/accomplish and hunt scum in there.

Either way tbh I don't really know? Sorry if I'm not any help to ya ;~;
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

OMGAWD IT'S MoI! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

No reads? I work with townreads, I rarely get any solid scumread, specially something like Rem and Ram.

Good thing we got scum D1

VOTE: SAD

Sorry SAD, try to be less obvious next time.

Creature is scum. His posts lack any real drive or motivation. Very early in the game, he was scumhunting Arthur instead of operating on his usual townread PoE game.
-HS

the meta argument i made earlier, said by creature himself
catching up, thought this was worth mentioning
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

give me a JIFFY and i'll do a full on wallpost case on creats
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

this game going slower could mean that actual things happen instead of "LETS LYNCH PERSON". i would love a good chat with mastin/spiff/nahdia/moi to try and condense reads and actually figure things out instead of just "lolololololol fuck it kill people".

i also feel like r&r's presence in this game is lacking fucking hard immediately after the pressure was laid down on them and i would really like to see more from them.

i really see no reason to keep the pace as fucking dumbly fast without much actual substance behind it as it is right now.

this is bullshit, the pressure on me has been immense throughout my entire absence
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

jesus fucking christ the creature iso is so blindingly obviously scum i don't even know how to word this

CREATURE KNOWS LURKING IS HIS SCUMTELL
I DON'T THINK CREATURE HAS SUDDENLY BECOME GOD OF MANIPULATION
I THINK HE'S FUCKING POSTING OUT OF HIS ASS TO FAKE HIS TOWN ACTIVITY
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Are we going to spend the rest of the day looking for SAD's/RR's/R&A's scum partner?

townCreature DOES NOT play like this.
He DOES NOT scumhunt. He creates a list of towny players, and then lynches anybody not on that list. Compare and contrast:

Vedith, TTTT, PsychoticDave, Tenshii, me

If we lynch everybody else, we win?

9 decent-to-strong townreads out of 19.

I need one more to eradicate the rest.

Okay

Pine
All Alone
drealmerz7

Just take your pick

In short, Creature -doesn't care- who is lynched, he'll be on any wagon that isn't a townread, as long as he has enough townreads.
Sure, he pushes scumreads early in the game, but what has be done this game? Pushed scumreads all game. His PoE readslist doesn't exist this game. He had one early, but he hasn't updated it meaningfully in a year in leiu of pushing me.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Giving you a chance, follow this:

VOTE: BYF

Why is this vote here? Why is Creature trying to push this?

A. He's town and legitmately thinks BYF is scum.
--->Creature's read progression on BYF:
177 - 'Looks Bad'
685 - 'Striked (town)'
925 - 'Unlikely scum because he's in the same category as me'
1742 - 'Definitely scum'
1475 - 'Scum, vote here'
1769 - 'Town'
-a whole bunch of 'I don't know'-
3138 - 'Town, but idk he might always be like this'
This read progression makes me skeptical that he really believes BYF is a slam dunk wagon here, and the way its worded doesn't seem like he's presenting it that way. Why single out BYF of all people?

B. He's scum trying to shake me off of his wagon with surface level logic of 'Hey maybe if I just put a wagon here HS will vote there and I won't have to think about it anymore'
--->Creature doesn't like playing as scum, so when he does, he ends up not putting much thought into the game at all. He's just barely trying to get by, not actually putting thought into the game. This looks like exactly the kind of reaction Creature would have as scum, here. Just a halfhearted wagon thrown out as a defense to himself.
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

i'm with you gork idk why i even play mafia

sorry if you're town creats

i think gin is town and won't be lynching there.

this game is stupid im stupid everything's stupid, bai
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I have too many townreads and Creature is just staring me down like eeeeggghh
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

except your argument was that our posting slacked when the pressure on us dropped, when the pressure on us never really dropped
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

I shoulda listened to Sakura.
On a side note, does anyone know what happens when you give a mouse a cookie?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

How about I just claim so that we don't have to deal with this shit.
Me and HS both decided to do this going into today btw.
We claim watcher inventor.
We gave Spiffeh a watcher D1.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

I spy with my little eye...A Spiffeh!
-Rem

Crumbs! Yummy!
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Wowie Fire, what could you possibly want from the person you can just never read correctly?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

You still didn't answer what you want from me.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

VOTE: Ank
I'd sheep spiffy
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Spiffy why did you watch R&A btw?
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

I'ma talk to HS about these MoI votes because some of them feel scum motivated to me.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

Oh yeah btw Sakura is town.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

I'ma talk to HS about these MoI votes because some of them feel scum motivated to me.
-Ali

It's like you are reading different games than me?
Most people here feel very townie.

-Rick

It's just a feeling. Like suddenly MoI has a lot of yuge votes on him? Idunno just my gut isn't liking it.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

dw fire i feel the apathy

im not reading creature's posts for a while, its for the best

we're gonna give our watcher shot to vifam and demand that she watch us tonight. how does that sound, lads?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

>she
lmoa samosa

[Rem and Ram]

we're a good shot for the nk tonight, and it forces scumVifam to answer to town based on their results

apart from that it might keep us alive if they are scum.
if they're town, scum has to be careful whether or not we actually get shot.
yknow?
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

idk.
alisae thinks they are and i trust their analysis miles above my own
also titus is at least ok
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

We're voting them Gork.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

i mean i've only ever seen titus shit the bed wrt reads but i have it on good authority(tm) that they're p good

pedit: good lynch
better lynch than vifam
if ank isn't lynched, probs watchering them t b h
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

come back gork i miss u
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

hey nahdia i'm cooking some curried eggs you should have some my dude
glad you saw the light
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

as much as i love nahdia aside idk about that slot kinda feels scum t b h
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

mastina v. titus reminds me of the time my parents simultaneously threw each other off a building
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

tbh nahdia I can't get a fucking read on you.
Do things that allow me to get a read on you.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

as much as i love nahdia aside idk about that slot kinda feels scum t b h
-HS

no

wow friendzoned again, fucking girls amirite
brb redpilling
-HS

[Rem and Ram]

Meanwhile you keep pushing this scum creature meta and completely ignore my scum bee meta post while continuing to strongly townread him.

Ank.
Sakura is not scum.
This is what pure, genuine, townposting looks like.
-Ali

[Rem and Ram]

proddodging, catching up and posting tomorrow

[Rem and Ram]

Me and HS are very apathedic about this game I'm sorry ;~;
Is there anything anyone wants to talk to me about?
-Ali