In post 953, Antihero wrote: In post 950, LicketyQuickety wrote: In post 947, Antihero wrote:lq if you want to lynch m+m, you will have to do it without my vote and against my advice
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Why is RC Town?
That hydra has acted objectively Scummy... I know meta is a thing, but acting blatantly anti-town is NO reason to Town read someone. I think RC is pulling strings. That haven't made a single solid push yet. Their current vote is on Hawk for reasons of IIoA used horribly wrong. Occam's Razor... If it looks like Scum...
unless it's something measurably suboptimal like faking guilties or not claiming miller in the first post or something else technical like that, there's no such thing as "objectively scummy"
also i don't think the hawk push is scummy ...?
In my book (I have a lot of experience with getting Scum read for this) If you can't come up with a reasonable reason for Scum reading someone, it is likely that they are Scum because this is the corner stone of a good Scum game and something that must be taken under heavy heavy scrutiny. Honestly there is so much potential WIFOM surrounding what the read on RC is that it is borderline repulsive. Every defense that RC has given in retort of being Scum read is literally "If I was Scum you would not be suspecting me." In what universe of Mafia should this kind of defense fly? If you are proficient enough in the game to get awarded an award for being most cunning manipulator, you should damn well know that reasons for why you do what you do, even in the case of lynching Town, even if those reasons are hidden from other players, must be sound. You do not have a superior game as any alignment without superior reasoning skills. Because of this I know that RC has the ability to provide reasons and they are not doing this. They are coasting off their meta and it is damn right sickening. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard that using arguments such as "because I said so." I might be crazy here, but at least I give reasons for doing the shit I do and I am God tier Town read in some of the game I am Town because of this.
RCs case on Hawk is objectively bad. Not only are they reluctant to actually give reasons for their Scum read on Hawk, but the reasons given do are not logically, informationally, or site meta sound. There is literally no substance to the read whatsoever. It is all smoke and mirrors for RC to spin a story Day 2 on why they wanted Hawk lynched. Hawk has said they have insight into why RC is tunneling them, that reason being so RC can single handedly solve the game by looking at reactions from a lynch on someone who is giving up and town reading the person who is tunneling on them.
Take this example of literally the exact opposite of the situation we are looking at with Hawk and RC compared to Thor665 and myself:
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Thor665 Scum reads me hard core, I don't give up, I fight with him for pages and pages of wall post after wall post. I am not even sure the guy is Scum, but I still think the stuff he is doing is shady. Town won this game in a landslide because I did not give up fighting. It was literally David and Goliath. This is the way games should be played.