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[LicketyQuickety]

Thor665 Scum reads me hard core, I don't give up, I fight with him for pages and pages of wall post after wall post. I am not even sure the guy is Scum, but I still think the stuff he is doing is shady. Town won this game in a landslide because I did not give up fighting. It was literally David and Goliath. This is the way games should be played.

i don't rly know what parallels that game is supposed to have w this one....

He's just giving you an example of what he thinks RC should be doing here.

Nope, I am giving an example of what RC AND Hawk should be doing right now.

[LicketyQuickety]

tells don't exist

That is a matter of debate. Tells definitely exist. If they didn't, no Scum would ever get lynched.

[LicketyQuickety]

KTS didn't see what I saw, they just saw that Hawk looked like shit for lying down ready to die early D1 for shitty ass reasons.

and hawk's not scummy

your point?

Hawk IS Scummy. RC and Hawk are both Scummy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Motivation, thought process, and tone are all you need.

[LicketyQuickety]

Motivation, thought process, and tone are all you need.

If all you need to read someone is Motivation, thought process and tone, then there are tells in each one of those. Yes, you should be able to identify the tells in those for them to be valid.

[LicketyQuickety]

Motivation, thought process, and tone are all you need.

If all you need to read someone is Motivation, thought process and tone, then there are tells in each one of those. Yes, you should be able to identify the tells in those for them to be valid.

And I agree, that's all you need.

[Antihero]

I don't have time right now to tear apart M&Ms case on Hawk right now,

errrrr.... what?

early d1 cases are not rly things to be "torn apart" and that's a pretty good sign you're in a tunnel

[Antihero]

Thor665 Scum reads me hard core, I don't give up, I fight with him for pages and pages of wall post after wall post. I am not even sure the guy is Scum, but I still think the stuff he is doing is shady. Town won this game in a landslide because I did not give up fighting. It was literally David and Goliath. This is the way games should be played.

i don't rly know what parallels that game is supposed to have w this one....

He's just giving you an example of what he thinks RC should be doing here.

"he is not conforming to the way i think this game SHOULD be played SCUMZ"

no... that's not a good point if that is indeed what he was attempting to illustrate

[Antihero]

tells don't exist

That is a matter of debate. Tells definitely exist. If they didn't, no Scum would ever get lynched.

objective and absolute tells do not exist.

i don't think you'd find much debate from anyone on that.

i think you're really fooling yourself (and doing yourself a disservice) if you frame your subjective opinion as an objective fact.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't have time right now to tear apart M&Ms case on Hawk right now,

errrrr.... what?

early d1 cases are not rly things to be "torn apart" and that's a pretty good sign you're in a tunnel

I am someone who thinks I can potentially can catch Scum in RVS, so I disagree that you can't tear someones case to shreds D1. Reason is the basis for getting reads, not evidence. Evidence is just the vehicle for reasoning. I also think everything has the potential for being AI given proper context. What makes catching Scum in RVS difficult is that there is not usually proper context to base a read on, but that does not mean that its never there.

I point you now to a play where the Scum was caught very early D1:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=68132

This was done with evidence, but there was still a psychological component to the way this game was solved. It relies on knowing how Scum operate ie tells.

[LicketyQuickety]

tells don't exist

That is a matter of debate. Tells definitely exist. If they didn't, no Scum would ever get lynched.

objective and absolute tells do not exist.

i don't think you'd find much debate from anyone on that.

i think you're really fooling yourself (and doing yourself a disservice) if you frame your subjective opinion as an objective fact.

Not tells that apply to everyone, no. But they do exist for individuals.

[Antihero]

ok you're getting distracted by generalities so i won't go there any more

(and of course if you use a large enough sample size pretty much ANY method is going to "catch" scum eventually)

i'm saying that in this SPECIFIC instance, rc+postie's hawk case is not something you have "torn apart" and it's something you are not likely going to be able to "tear apart"

[Antihero]

ok i'm going to bed we're well past the point of diminishing returns on this conversation

[LicketyQuickety]

ok you're getting distracted by generalities so i won't go there any more

(and of course if you use a large enough sample size pretty much ANY method is going to "catch" scum eventually)

i'm saying that in this SPECIFIC instance, rc+postie's hawk case is not something you have "torn apart" and it's something you are not likely going to be able to "tear apart"

Well, I am going to attempt it nonetheless. Its just a matter of finding counterarguments, that is all a debate is.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Uzi, tell me how crazy I am on a scale from 1-10. IDK if I am out to lunch or if I am standing of firm ground.

[Electra and Orestes]

Anyone have a good read on Antihero

Obvious town read...

Mine.

Also, you people really like to hear yourselves talk don't you!?

I came back to, like 15 new pages! Most of this is useless shit. Honestly, I skimmed the last half do hard I think I skipped a couple entire pages because it was all the same people arguing the same shit not changing anything about the game.

Momo is scum. M&M is prolly town. LQ is Def town. Uzi is seemingly the best 3p candidate, should an SK exist. KTS actually did aight in his entrance. These are mostly reads from this head because Alisae isn't motivated to read a game where literally half the pages are bullshit!

And Uzi, I got mad at Momo because he ignored. I had just posted the info he asked for a page earlier and he couldn't be arsed to check it out. He had been explained to how to Iso but refused to. He was told how to quote from offside but waited until LQ and I asked him like 3-5 times before telling me he couldn't, or even acknowledging I'd asked. I had every right to be peeved!

And his whole thing with somehow fucking up on phrasing with Anti is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen!

His read on M&M is shit and he is instigating him while not listening to the fact that this is just RC and not AI in any way.

He is pissing me off and is probably scum.

Also, Inb4 "Ari is angry? That's not his meta at all! Must be scum!"
My response is that it's almost 4am and I just spent at least an hour reading your bullshit pages that left me no further in my understanding of anyone (except KTS who hadn't posted until this juncture).

Creature, feel free to push your vs idea that I'm scum. I saw you allude to it a few times when you did post (I assume I'm the active scum member you mused about). You have no case

and

are wrong, so get better at reading me alright!

I don't remember where my vote is at all after all this, but
VOTE: Momo
This is where our vote is now.
It will not change unless deadline requires it or Alisae comes in with something groundbreaking.
I don't think either will happen.

- O

[Electra and Orestes]

Oh, and

this hydra is going V/LA until Thursday.

I'm too busy for this shit.
I'll post from class or work if I can.

[LicketyQuickety]

I stand by what I said.

[Creature]

I'm going to be a strong boulder on the way to any momo wagon.

[Creature]

VOTE: ETL

[Creature]

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

[Creature]

There's supposed to have an active scum, but I don't know who it would be.

[Realeo]

With that, 9 dead fairies. This is why we cannot have good thing in real life

Official Vote Count

momo

(4): Kop, Hawk, Sakura Hana, Electra and Orestes

Music and Mail

(3): momo, LicketyQuickety, Lil Uzi Vert

EspeciallyTheLies

(1): Creature

Kop

(1): EspeciallyTheLies

Hawk

(1): Killthestory

LicketyQuickety

(1): Music and Mail

Not Voting

(2): Charloux, Antihero

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-03-11 07:45:21)

[momo]

I actually can't believe that people are listening to M and M. He is throwing mud and hoping it sticks. First it was Hawk. That didn't work for him so he took Hawk on his side and turned his aim on me.

The fact that people are to blind to see this is beyond, especially @Hawk. Music was targeting you just one day ago, but of course you wouldn't see that

he changed his biggest point without reason.

It was in your favor.

Come on Hawk, use common sense, and turn on M and M.

He is coming for you next.

[Music and Mail]

My philosophy on playing is that you should prioritize your Town game for the sole reason that you will be Town more often then any other alignment. People who prioritize their Scum game should get lynched... a lot.

RC prefers playing town and prioritises his towngame and also being good at scum doesn't change that please stop

-- Mail