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Post Post #1751 (isolation #400) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:00 am

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Well, the focus was on Grey-key-key all of D1, scum were happy to keep it that way, going into the deadline... still having problems with keyen's alpha vote, but he was a t/lean at close of play on D1.

Joey lurked when his wagon grew... (apparently he was still posting with his main account in another game)... he'll need some attention at some point today.

drealmerz was power-hating on townies all of D1. I still don't read this as 'bad-scum' play, thus, I'd lean town there.

Today is when Fire and Zulfy show their true colours. If I can t/read them both by the end of D2 I'll be ecstatic.

Pine will need to explain why they didn't believe Grey's Vote Cop claim in simple English.

No more semi-active wagon pushing from Flubbernugget today - I'll be taking a back seat today, so take the stage Flubbernug.




Where was everybody's hidden vote on D1?

In post 1735, Aeronaut wrote:
- VoteCount 1.21 -

With 18 votes in play, it's 10 to lynch!


[L+1]
-Grey- -
Joey_, Caesar Wills It, <Vote>, Zulfy, <Vote>, <Vote>, drealmerz7, <Drealmerz7>, keyenpeydee, <α>

[L-10]
drealmerz7 -
[L-10]
Fire Assassin -
[L-10]
keyenpeydee -
[L-5]
Joey_ -
Fire Assassin, <Vote>, <Vote>, <Vote>, Flubbernugget,

[L-10]
Flubbernugget -
[L-10]
Keyser Söze -
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Zulfy -
<Vote>

[L-9]
Caesar Wills It -
-Grey-


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Post Post #1753 (isolation #401) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:09 am

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Ah k, sorry about my accusations Keyen

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Post Post #1755 (isolation #402) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:33 am

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I presumed it was a mod error.


@Aeronaut



Drealmerz didn't seem to care...
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #403) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:11 pm

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Caesar, explain to me why you didn't believe Grey's Vote Cop claim. It made perfect sense given the game flavor and hidden vote mechanic.

I feel it was a very powerful/useful role that scum didn't want in the game (thus, your bias'd stance makes your push on Grey even worse).

Did you see no town-Grey this game? Grey hinted you have previous experience with him as a player...
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #404) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:15 pm

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In post 1760, Caesar Wills It wrote:That could have been phrased better. I believed Grey's power claim, but the power seemed more likely to be a scum role, not dissimilar to a rolecop.
It must be a town role or a fake claim.

It's only use would be for town.

Scum already know where the town and scum hidden votes are. Why would they need confirmation for what they already know?

For town, a vote cop would have given us the full voting history / movement of any player.
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #405) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:26 pm

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Was it a policy lynch for you then Zulfy?
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #406) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:38 pm

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@Zulfy
My hidden vote was on you bro.
I did not use my vote the second half of D1, I'll be using both today.
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Post Post #1772 (isolation #407) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:42 pm

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Re: your last question:

1) I forgot that the hidden-vote-cannot-hammer rule only applied to LYLO

2) I misunderstood the D1 hammer VC (presuming Keyen's alpha vote had double power).

3) I was basically accusing Keyen of lying about the true nature of his alpha vote
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #408) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:44 pm

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Yep, Grey is still an active part of the town bloc :giggle:
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #409) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:27 am

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In post 1777, Fire Assassin wrote:What are pure chances of scum just forgetting to send a night kill?
Roleblocker
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Bulletproof
Doctor

Any of these could be in the set up. I don't expect them to hard claim either - they should have a good inkling who is town.

Why is everyone flipping out over a no NK?
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #410) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:29 am

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In post 1776, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1758, Keyser Söze wrote:
Caesar, explain to me why you didn't believe Grey's Vote Cop claim. It made perfect sense given the game flavor and hidden vote mechanic.


I feel it was a very powerful/useful role that scum didn't want in the game (thus, your bias'd stance makes your push on Grey even worse).

Did you see no town-Grey this game? Grey hinted you have previous experience with him as a player...
This is in no way what you said the other day from my memory.
Maybe not word for word, but the roleclaim gave me a raging erection at the time.

Information is power!


Meditating on it further only supports my initial position too.
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #411) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:34 am

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In post 1775, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1738, Aeronaut wrote:
- VoteCount 2.0 -

With 16 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!


[L-9]
drealmerz7 -
[L-9]
Fire Assassin -
[L-9]
keyenpeydee -
[L-9]
Joey_ -
[L-9]
Flubbernugget -
[L-9]
Keyser Söze -
[L-9]
Zulfy -
[L-9]
KainTepes -

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I want to point out this makes Keyen more likely town again.
If scum control 5 out of 16 votes, I see that as a massive imbalance of in scum power.
I guess that assumes that other scum controls two votes.

Still think setup wise that Keyen is more likely town.

My lynch targets remain dreal
Yes, from my perspective scum wanted a Grey-key-key lynch all of D1.

But either needed your support or one of the lurkers to push the misslynch over the line.

You wasn't going to touch it... but up stepped both Zulfy and Pine.

I don't think both can be scum now though.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #412) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:35 am

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In post 1774, Fire Assassin wrote:So like I said, going to be more active in this game.
First thing that troubles me is that no deaths.

Either this is by design of game, or someone has extra info not sharing.

Another thing is I am in a neighborhood now.
Not going to say who is in it with me yet, but that will be apparent later.
How many in your neighbourhood?

Any of you can be a bad-Skeleton correct?
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #413) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:29 am

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You will need to revise your book of scumtells after this game.

You have been pushing NAI factors since the start of D1.

If you push one more misslynch through your anti-town actions will be judged D3 (regardless of your alignment).
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Post Post #1787 (isolation #414) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:22 am

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In post 1775, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1738, Aeronaut wrote:
- VoteCount 2.0 -

With 16 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!


[L-9]
drealmerz7 -
[L-9]
Fire Assassin -
[L-9]
keyenpeydee -
[L-9]
Joey_ -
[L-9]
Flubbernugget -
[L-9]
Keyser Söze -
[L-9]
Zulfy -
[L-9]
KainTepes -

Not Voting
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I want to point out this makes Keyen more likely town again.
If scum control 5 out of 16 votes, I see that as a massive imbalance of in scum power.
I guess that assumes that other scum controls two votes.

Still think setup wise that Keyen is more likely town.

My lynch targets remain dreal
@drealmerz - do you disagree with Fire Assassin's point here?


Moreover, why is drealmerz's hidden vote currently hidden.. but then becomes revealed near deadline when it's on a misslynch?

We have two players now whoses votes are non-hidden: Keyen, drealmerz. Does this point to them being Town?


As Grey's power was a vote cop: he'd already know where Keyen and drealmerz voted. Why would he then investigate them? Surely he'd investigate a player with hidden votes?
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #415) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:29 am

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@Fire - what did you mean by "other" scum?
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #416) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:18 pm

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We can forget it and move on.
Knowing it wasn't game mechanic/power role related was important though.
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #417) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:21 am

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@Aeronaut
- I think we need some nudges.
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #418) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:42 am

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I think we knew his vote was there anyway.

He had a thing for both me or Grey D1.
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #419) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:11 pm

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In post 1808, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1788, Keyser Söze wrote:@Fire - what did you mean by "other" scum?
Do you assume there's one scum or something?
I misunderstood - you should have said 'his scum teammate'.

"Other scum" made me think scum outside of the presumed 2.
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #420) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:31 pm

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In post 1816, Fire Assassin wrote:Keyser you think Flubber pretending he isn't in a neighborhood and saying I am hunting for someone is indicative of antyhing?
Wait... what...?


I thought Flubbernugget was saying "coaxing for a claim" in regard you asking how a 'no death' was possible:
In post 1803, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1774, Fire Assassin wrote:So like I said, going to be more active in this game.
First thing that troubles me is that no deaths.

Either this is by design of game, or someone has extra info not sharing.

Another thing is I am in a neighborhood now.
Not going to say who is in it with me yet, but that will be apparent later.
Wouldn't extra info not being shared be a part of the game design? This sounds like coaxing for a claim.


So is Flubbernugget oblivious to the fact you two are in a neighbourhood?
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #421) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:00 am

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Any news on Joey replacement?

Need someone to kickstart game.
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #422) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:01 pm

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Are neighborizer's generally t/aligned in small set-ups?
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #423) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:15 am

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In post 1834, drealmerz7 wrote:why would you even begin to want to make generalizations?

do you have any familiarity or experience with aeronaut games? mod WIFOM nearly killed me in Drunken Christmas (seriously I did myself brain damage in that fucking game, sorry titus!)
Why would 'scum'-Flubbernugget want to neighbourize players?

Would/can 'scum'-Flubbernugget neighbourize his scum-partner?

Would 'scum'-Flubbernugget more likely neighbourize a town player?

How does scum having a multi-shot neighbourizer help them achieve their WIN-CON?

Why do you think Aeronaut has put a scum-multi-shot neighbourizer into a 9 player game?
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #424) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:22 am

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In post 1838, Zulfy wrote:I don't see much momentum on it but then again there's not much momentum on anything, but the Drealmerz wagon really shouldn't be the leading one I don't think.

Lynching one jackass for being a jackass was enough for me.

Drealm could you provide some positive evidence to perhaps titillate Flubbernugget
I can't see how scum-Drealmerz expects to survive past D3 if he were to successfully push through 2 back-to-back miss-lynches.
Lean town.
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #425) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:26 am

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In post 1844, drealmerz7 wrote:those aren't answers those are questions
I am trying to understand the role on here.
Are you saying it is generally non-alignment specific?
Answer my questions.

"why would you even begin to want to make generalizations?"

Is it tactically naive to think this power is more likely town-aligned?
I did the same with keyen's role... I couldn't see how that would be a scum role...
Grey's role... that was only useful for town...
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #426) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:28 am

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"do you have any familiarity or experience with aeronaut games?"

I don't think I have.

Please can you link me some town/scum x-shot neighbourizer games.
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #427) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:38 am

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In post 1810, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1778, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1777, Fire Assassin wrote:What are pure chances of scum just forgetting to send a night kill?
Roleblocker
Jailkeeper
Bulletproof
Doctor

Any of these could be in the set up. I don't expect them to hard claim either - they should have a good inkling who is town.

Why is everyone flipping out over a no NK?
I kind of just think scum forgot to submit a kill. Given how inactive the game is.
Were you trying to bait the town PR out via their reaction to your "WHY NO NIGHT KILL GUYS?!"
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #428) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:47 am

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I wanted today to be about Caesar and Joey...
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #429) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:03 am

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@Aero - why am I L-8?
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Post Post #1884 (isolation #430) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:19 pm

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When do we mass claim?
@LYLO?
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #431) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:44 am

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In post 1887, keyenpeydee wrote:Ceasar's way of posting is quite hard to read.
I clicked on Caesar's ISO last night and got a headache reading it.
I think "Pine" will need to replace in, given the nature of the game.
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Post Post #1901 (isolation #432) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:55 pm

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My version of D1 (in regard Joey)

- Joey thought I was manipulating everyone (I looked at his case and realised both scum and town could think this)
- Joey was happy with me not s/reading him anymore
- but he didn't re-engage his suspicion of me (despite having his hidden vote on me I believe)
- he was active in other games but lurked out the 2nd half of D1 in this game
- I never had him as a strong t/read as I never saw him actively sort everyone else (it was a hard push on me, then nothing)
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #433) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:05 am

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I think we'll get an extension :)
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #434) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:37 am

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You can post drunk as both town or scum.
Scum can fake drunk posting.
Both town and scum are dumb for drunk posting (they could claim / slip).
I wouldn't give town points or scum points for it.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #435) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:39 am

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Infinity 324, can Keyen and I BOTH be town? I noticed in your early analysis/read-thrugh that ONE of us is likely scum (?)
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Post Post #1957 (isolation #436) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:47 am

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In post 1912, Infinity 324 wrote:Fire - lean town for reaction testing Keyser and gut
Did you mean reaction testing Keyen? (on Day 2)
You scum-read Keyen correct?
I'm wondering what you liked about Fire's reaction test, if you came out with two different conclusions...?
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #437) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:50 am

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Now we just need Pine to be online too and post in easy/accessible language.
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Post Post #1974 (isolation #438) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:19 pm

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It was less about setup spec (null)... more about the emotions/reactions of the players demonstrated:
...on the lines of 'he shares the same worries going in my mind' at that time.
Looking back, it was an argument that should have happened in the queue thread (thus, my TvT argument theory was maybe weak but I still stand by it)
Grey has since flipped town.. and I believe Drealmerz is town caught in confirmation bias...
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #439) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:04 pm

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In post 1976, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm on page 12 and ugh do I seriously have to read through all this
Yes :lol:
You replaced in to solve the game :twisted:
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #440) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:10 pm

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Yes, this has admittedly been one of the hardest games to gain scum-reads.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #441) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:12 am

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Btw Infinity, do you have experience with town/scum x-shot neighbourizer's in micro games?
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #442) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:36 am

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I didn't like Grey at first (my first game with him)
Some of my play was intentionally aimed to antagonise him.
He was trolling me too.
But now we're good friends and we ended D1 both knowing we were obv-town (we were spot on with our analysis of eachother: he's obv scum townie, I'm lamist townie.)

It was D1 with no flip... they're weren't confirmed TvT so I had to maintain a balanced perspective (I wasn't going to hard defend them early D1).
If Dreal is town, I'll enjoy re-reading D1 another day.
Dreal has been hard work but I've tried to stay civil.
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #443) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:04 am

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In post 1992, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1979, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1976, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm on page 12 and ugh do I seriously have to read through all this
Yes :lol:
You replaced in to solve the game :twisted:
Considering how poorly town is playing you should be more thankful than condescending
My tone wasn't supposed to be condenscending.
More like playful.
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #444) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:06 am

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In post 1994, Flubbernugget wrote:My offer for you guys to appeal to be neighgborized is still on the table
What's so good about a neighbourhood?
I wouldn't have anything to say in it...
No ones town confirmed in there...
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #445) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:07 am

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@Aeronaut


Replace out Pine please.

We nearly have 8 active players now.
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #446) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:20 am

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In post 1959, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1957, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1912, Infinity 324 wrote:Fire - lean town for reaction testing Keyser and gut
Did you mean reaction testing Keyen? (on Day 2)
You scum-read Keyen correct?
I'm wondering what you liked about Fire's reaction test, if you came out with two different conclusions...?
It didn't have anything to do with his conclusion, it had to do with the way he went about it. The thought progression around that time was odd on the surface but made sense and wanting to reaction test someone you're unsure of makes sense from a town mindset, and I don't always see scum do those kinds of things.
Been re-reading D2:
So you think only town-Fire/town would perform reaction tests?

In post 1859, Fire Assassin wrote:
Hidden Strike: Keyenpedee

I was intending to save this ability for LYLO.

I just sacrificed my hidden vote to shoot Keyen.
In post 1861, drealmerz7 wrote:if that shot is real why'd you use it on keyen when you've been scumreading me the entire game?
In post 1864, keyenpeydee wrote:Hmm, I think I'm gonna take a break from mafia after this game
What did you actually think about both Drealmerz's and Keyen's reaction to the fake day vig shot?
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #447) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:26 am

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Ok, right now I'm trying to consolidate what you think is alignment indicative and NOT alignment indicative.

(Right now, it seems to me that you're picking and choosing strange things to flag as alignment indicative to fit your read I.e Zulfy's drunk posting and Fire's day vig reaction test...)

I actually liked Drealmerz's and Keyen's reaction:

- Drealmerz quite rightly thought: "WTF? Why the hell have you shot Keyen, you've been pushing me all the time you scum f**k"

- Keyen's defeated reaction felt genuine too: "F**k this game, I'm outta here"

(Both from a town perspective)
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #448) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:41 am

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I have a genius idea of how I'm going to win some town-cred tonight...


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Post Post #2055 (isolation #449) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:23 pm

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Welcome back Pine.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #450) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:04 am

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In post 2058, Infinity 324 wrote:Yes I agree with this
I was quite proud of my
moment-of-realisation
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In post 2056, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 501, Keyser Söze wrote:I am satisfied with keyenpeydee's defense (post #489, post #493). I think it explains the contradiction in keyen's change of perspective.

Does anyone disagree?
Yes, I disagree. Maybe you can explain it to me?
I can't remember - but I will need to try and think back what was going through my head.
His change of position did disturb me at the time, but I can remember being satisfied... BRB.
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Post Post #2063 (isolation #451) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:10 am

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In post 1758, Keyser Söze wrote:Caesar, explain to me why you didn't believe Grey's Vote Cop claim. It made perfect sense given the game flavor and hidden vote mechanic.

I feel it was a very powerful/useful role that scum didn't want in the game (thus, your bias'd stance makes your push on Grey even worse).

Did you see no town-Grey this game? Grey hinted you have previous experience with him as a player...
In post 1762, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1760, Caesar Wills It wrote:That could have been phrased better. I believed Grey's power claim, but the power seemed more likely to be a scum role, not dissimilar to a rolecop.
It must be a town role or a fake claim.

It's only use would be for town.

Scum already know where the town and scum hidden votes are. Why would they need confirmation for what they already know?

For town, a vote cop would have given us the full voting history / movement of any player.
@Pine - can you answer these questions for the moment too.

Plus, Grey said you knew his town-meta... :?

Have you ever pushed for his policy lynch in other games you have played together?

[My worry is that you pushed his lynch here, because you could see there were willing poeple to push it over the line with you.]
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #452) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:38 am

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Scum know where the town votes are and where their votes are.

Town want to know where the opportunistic hidden scum votes are.

Scum are only concerned with lynching town (and their voting behavior will reflect that).

Town will be honest with where their hidden vote is. If Grey found out about a contradiction in the claims (via PoE or a slip), scum would be f*cked.

IMO, it was a very useful town tool.



What would scum use it for?

"Keyser said his hidden vote was on Zulfy, but it was on Keyen!!!" <<< no, because they can already figure that out through PoE (take away their two hidden votes, Keyen's obvious Alpha vote, and you're left with the obvious town rest.)
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #453) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:42 am

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Have you ever pushed for Grey's policy lynch in previous games with him?
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #454) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:04 am

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@Infinity
You didn't experience D1 with us.
It was very frustrating.
Me describing the activity is NAI.
Both town or scum could have made that post.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #455) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:07 am

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Not every post of mine has to be unlocking the secrets of the game via deep game solving.
I like to state the status of my reads and the activity.
BUT THAT IS NULL ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE.
I do not gain any town cred or scum points for it.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #456) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:57 pm

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In post 2032, Zulfy wrote:
In post 1991, Keyser Söze wrote:It was D1 with no flip... they're weren't confirmed TvT so I had to maintain a balanced perspective (I wasn't going to hard defend them early D1).
is this a singular them
Defend who? Drealm or grey? Or both? And defend them from what?

If I'm reading infinity correctly he's saying you did nothing to help end the spat between the two, so I don't see where you brought the concept of defense into the mix.

Btw infinity why go after keyser specifically when everyone (correct me if I'm wrong, was awol at the time) pretty much had a hands off approach to grey vs drealm?
- Dreal vs Grey
- from themselves and others (sometimes tunnelling players is informative). I believe some players started s/reading them for their actions (which I thought were natural reactions).
- if I s/read one of them I would have jumped in and turned it into an alignment indicative issue (i.e "Dreal is saying we should keep our hidden votes hidden, SCUM!").
- I've been here from the beginning (I tried to share with them each other's position, but they were caught up in meltdown mode. If they were two confirmed townies I would have put in TREMENDOUS effort to 'stop their spat'.)
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #457) » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:43 am

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"fake-forcing towniness"?
Nope, I'm just just town :giggle:
Search your feelings Dreal, you know it to be true!
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #458) » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:51 am

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In post 2079, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 792, keyenpeydee wrote:I'm actually gonna support the Keyser lynch since I have no reason to Town Read him + the cases being presented are actually convincing to lynch Keyser.
Ewww
It's a f**king horrendous opportunistic/hedging post, but I think it comes from town-Keyen, not bad-scum Keyen (who'd later call me a 'gut town read') :giggle:
In post 833, keyenpeydee wrote:Gut says Key is town.
Need to trust my gut.

However, if there's nothing I could do, I'll vote for Keyser.
...who'd still vote for me :lol:
So I was willing to let the contradictions and opportunism slide.
I personally would never vote/lynch a gut town read.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #459) » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:13 am

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@dreal, look at it from my perspective -
do you think scum-keyen would have been a bit more strategic in the way he wanted to push through my miss-lynch on D1?
He'd been speed-lynched on D2.



I've also ruled you out for being scum, as I don't see you making the bad-scum play of hard-pushing two misslynches back-to-back. I'd only start to suspect you if Keyen flipped scum, as you keep trying to pin him as a scum-teammate to me and Grey.

IMO, your scum-dar has been off all game.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #460) » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:27 am

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In post 1962, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm starting to like zulfy for scum
Can you please explain/explore this with me.



Can everyone claim where their D1 vote was:


[L+1] -Grey- - Joey_, Caesar Wills It, <Vote>, Zulfy, <Vote>, <Vote>, drealmerz7, <Vote>, keyenpeydee, <α>
[L-10] drealmerz7 -
[L-10] Fire Assassin -
[L-10] keyenpeydee -
[L-5] Joey_ - Fire Assassin, <Vote>, <Vote>, <Vote>, Flubbernugget,
[L-10] Flubbernugget -
[L-10] Keyser Söze -
[L-9] Zulfy - <Vote>
[L-9] Caesar Wills It - -Grey-

Not Voting - Keyser Söze
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #461) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:17 am

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In post 2131, drealmerz7 wrote:can't be SURE of course, but I am a great tone reader and well obviously anyway what keyser is doing is a conscious thing, his posts are deliberate and theatrical (even if improved, it's fabricated in a way that is posturing/covering up, in a definitely scummy motivation, coming off to me that way anyway)
I play the game so that I am entertained (if I subtract the fun out of my scum-hunting, I probably wouldn't play on mafiascum.)
Some people like my theatrics (non-alignment indicative)
I do not hide behind my playstyle either, I am very open on everything, and know when to tone down on the roleplaying.
Like now.
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #462) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:39 am

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In post 2139, drealmerz7 wrote:again, read what I said man

it's not that I don't like getting into it or roleplaying, it's that, sensing through it, with the way you are doing it, I am getting scumness from it

THIS GAME

it has nothing to do with the fact that you do the same sort of thing as either role, it is beyond that

I SAID THESE THINGS ALREADY
Yes, and I've already gone through why people usually don't like my playstyle (Grey, Joey, yourself, possibly Flubber all thought I was manipulating town at one point on D1). Thus, I concluded on D1 there is guaranteed town who share these feelings. So I took a step back and tried to see what they were seeing.

You just need to see that the things I do are with town motivation and are actually null-specific for me (but that will come in future games with me).

I'm happy with your s/read of me - you can re-read through my posts post-game.


This will be you when I flip VT:
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #463) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:42 am

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Post Post #2148 (isolation #464) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:52 am

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I would vote Zulfy or Pine but I am not confident they will flip scum, if that makes sense. They are two slots I am not town reading, nor leaning positive feels.

drealmerz and keyen are still in my not-lynching/voting today pile. If drealmerz is scum, he's made sure he doesn't reach LYLO anyway. If keyen flipped scum, I would return to drealmerz's slot.

Flubber possesses scum reads but doesn't add any strong/structured supporting argument to his pushes. He's a Neighbourizor, but I don't understand what function that has for scum-Flubber?

Fire Assassin is on the green side of null. I was hoping he was going to lead town today as I am not confident with my reads. The role of 'the-man-who-makes-things-happen' has instead fallen to.....

Infinity 324 replaced Joey, and because of his catch-up he has now become the chief game-solver amidst a sea of apathy and defeat. I'd likely keep him alive today.
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #465) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:02 am

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In post 2149, drealmerz7 wrote:saying shit like "hey's sure made it so he doesn't make it LYLO anyway" is sooo frikken scummy

I better live the whole fucking game ppls
It means... if all your "scum" reads keep flipping town... you'll likely be lynched. You keep flagging non-aligment indicative factors to lynch people. Not good bro.

I'm here to defend you the "whole fucking game". There is already momentum to lynch you today.
Even I would join it if I scum/null read you. But I lean town.
It is unlikely to happen with the leaders/vocal players against it.

So please be grateful :giggle:
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #466) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 2152, drealmerz7 wrote:not what I'm doing at all

again, you aren't reading

geebus

and you are trying to dictate the future based on WHAT?!?! exactly!?
Basically, there are enough surface-level reasons to lynch you today.
There are even player(s) who want you dead today.
But I will defend you.

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I prescribe to WIFOM-fueled analysis that makes me lean town on your performance this game.

I'm not dictating anything. I'm just reading the game.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #467) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:17 am

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In post 2151, keyenpeydee wrote:Can we lynch Zulfy because I really have a bad feeling about him.
I'm likely going to vote someone who voted Grey.
I'm not buying the
'He's not the Town Vote Cop, he's a very naughty boy!'
argument.
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #468) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:36 am

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This is a no lynch then.

I think we need one roleclaim to reboot the game.
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #469) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:26 am

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No thanks.

I'd rather no lynch than lynch you for D2.
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #470) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:09 am

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If you're lynched I'm going to vote someone who votes for you tomorrow.

If the deadline hasn't already passed...

VOTE: Zulfy
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #471) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:46 am

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In post 2211, drealmerz7 wrote:keyser's such hard defense of keyen makes me think he knows keyen would flip green and is trying to use it to set up more MLs

but who the fuck knows or cares, I suppose!
This was a game where my town reads were stronger than my scum reads.
Town read Grey.
Town read Keyen.

In a game like this, scum will sit back and let town lynch each other... or let town lynch themselves (me, and now Keyen)
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Post Post #2232 (isolation #472) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:04 am

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I was VT.
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #473) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:30 am

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I hope Drealmerz was town.
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #474) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:15 pm

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Were you town Zulfy?
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #475) » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 pm

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Sorry man.
Let's play another game together sometime.
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #476) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:12 am

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:lol:
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #477) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:41 am

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Wellplayed.
IMO, you saved your slot D2.
Unfortunately that effort will not be rewarded now :/
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #478) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:29 am

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Who was the other scum? One of the periphery-players?
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Post Post #2272 (isolation #479) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:39 am

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Glad on a draw now - I would have defended Dreal to endgame probably. Ruled him out being group-scum, 3 scum in a 9 player game though? :/





Zulfy, naughty boy!
That at least makes me feel 1% better about my performance this game.

Happy with my Grey-key-key town core though.
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Joined: May 11, 2015

Post Post #2275 (isolation #480) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:28 am

Post by Keyser Söze »

Vote count cop...
Alpha-nothing...
Neighborizor...

Any protective powers...?!

Must at least have a bulletproof/doctor surely with two NK's per nightphase.
It could have been a very quick game.

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