Open 681: Making Friends and Enemies [GAME OVER]

[Green Crayons]

People that are town:

ThinkBig
- Posting seems very direct and to the point. "Passive" play is consistent with overall playstyle.
- Replacing out in a game like this is almost always town. Scum don't get "demotivated" by a spamposting fest, since it's a great atmosphere for mafia to hide, and town to eat itself alive.

Frogger
- Ditto on the replacement here. Previous player replacing out is almost always town.
- JaeReed vs. Frogger was very TvT.

JaeReed
- Lots of genuine frustration all game shown at defending himself. Particularly the Frogger interaction.

This is gross.

I literally vomited in my mouth. It had nothing to do with the too many gin & tonics I just downed.

It was all your post's fault.

[Green Crayons]

Like Korts was a huge nothingburger but frogger has been kinda really very much squick scum.

[Green Crayons]

Also TB obvscum killkillkill.

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 19

• nancy
  ------ 5 ( Darklyn, Rileycountant, Transcend, momo, RadiantCowbells )
  L- 2
  
  
  Transcend
  -- 4 ( nancy, Hiraki, JaeReed, hapahauli )
  L- 3
  
  
  Darklyn
  ---- 2 ( Thinkbig, Grendel )
  L- 5
  
  
  ThinkBig
  --- 1 ( Green Crayons )
  L- 6
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  - 1 ( Fro99er )

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-25 08:15:00)

[hapahauli]

It's true though. It doesn't make any sense for someone to replace out due to demotivation as mafia, when the source of their demotivation is how anti-town the thread is.

Why is nancy scummy?

[hapahauli]

People that are town:

ThinkBig
- Posting seems very direct and to the point. "Passive" play is consistent with overall playstyle.
- Replacing out in a game like this is almost always town. Scum don't get "demotivated" by a spamposting fest, since it's a great atmosphere for mafia to hide, and town to eat itself alive.

Frogger
- Ditto on the replacement here. Previous player replacing out is almost always town.
- JaeReed vs. Frogger was very TvT.

JaeReed
- Lots of genuine frustration all game shown at defending himself. Particularly the Frogger interaction.

This is gross.

I literally vomited in my mouth. It had nothing to do with the too many gin & tonics I just downed.

It was all your post's fault.

Oops.

You really should look through some of TB's town games. They look identical to this one.

[Green Crayons]

Things I will not do:

read other boring games

[hapahauli]

Things you will do: tunnel a townie for 5 days.

[Green Crayons]

Yeah I've done worse.

[Green Crayons]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

[hapahauli]

@ Grendel

I don't get your Darklyn vote. There's literally nowhere in your filter that explains why you scumread him, or even talk about him (other than painting his name in red).

OR really any of your scumreads:

I had a few other things to say about some players, but I don't think I have the time to go into much detail tonight. I'll just leave this here, and come back tomorrow.

loose reads list

Momo Fro99er Rileycountant

Hiraki RadiantCowbells

nancy ThinkBig GreenCrayons

Transcend

JaeReed hapahauli Darklyn

Of course hapahali x JaeReed x Darklyn is a team I ship. I really don't see Transend with JeaReed, and there isn't much that I saw between Transend and hapahuali. So if Transend is scum it'd be with Darklyn, and somebody I'm not currently scum reading. Obviously not an assumption I'd want to make.

Justification not found here for anything you provide. I also don't understand how you're defending Transcend based on associations in a "loose reads list" (which by definition, shouldn't be very strong).

[hapahauli]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

I guarantee you it'll get just as bad if you ignore very blatant, easy-to-access evidence that goes against your meta. Pull up his game history and skim a game or two. It'll take five minutes of your life. If the crux of your case against TB is "he is too passive", then it's not going to hold water.

[hapahauli]

Talk to me about Frogger.

[Green Crayons]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

I guarantee you it'll get just as bad if you ignore very blatant, easy-to-access evidence that goes against your meta. Pull up his game history and skim a game or two. It'll take five minutes of your life. If the crux of your case against TB is "he is too passive", then it's not going to hold water.

If what you're getting is "he's too passive" out of my case you are


wait


did you replace TB?

[Green Crayons]

Talk to me about Frogger.

I'll talk to you about:

That was referencing our prior game, where I was horrible and you were good.

o gotcha

help me get good here. Who's you're top scumread and why

and how it's W O W buddying

[Green Crayons]

here's some background (o gawd meta? no it's years old that doesn't quality as meta) last time I played with frogger he schooled me in this game as scum and I was like "damn you are good"

and now he's like "bro GC teach me the ways sensei"

and goddamn son, you already know how to play don't buddy me

[hapahauli]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

I guarantee you it'll get just as bad if you ignore very blatant, easy-to-access evidence that goes against your meta. Pull up his game history and skim a game or two. It'll take five minutes of your life. If the crux of your case against TB is "he is too passive", then it's not going to hold water.

If what you're getting is "he's too passive" out of my case you are


wait


did you replace TB?

Good lord no. I replaced the clown dude. Why even ask that? It's so easily verifiable.

Talk to me about Frogger.

I'll talk to you about:

That was referencing our prior game, where I was horrible and you were good.

o gotcha

help me get good here. Who's you're top scumread and why

and how it's W O W buddying

Okay. Such buddy much wow. Where is this going exactly?

[hapahauli]

here's some background (o gawd meta? no it's years old that doesn't quality as meta) last time I played with frogger he schooled me in this game as scum and I was like "damn you are good"

and now he's like "bro GC teach me the ways sensei"

and goddamn son, you already know how to play don't buddy me

Is it that unlikely for him to act friendly to you as town? Also, that doesn't look very buddy-ing to me, atleast not to the degree you're presenting it.

The counter-evidence is that Frogger recently replaced in, already ran up 70 posts, and has been generally emotional and all-over-the-place. Seems town.

[Green Crayons]

Good lord no. I replaced the clown dude. Why even ask that? It's so easily verifiable.

ha ha this is a good joke where you assume I keep good records that are not just my mental notes

[Green Crayons]

here's some background (o gawd meta? no it's years old that doesn't quality as meta) last time I played with frogger he schooled me in this game as scum and I was like "damn you are good"

and now he's like "bro GC teach me the ways sensei"

and goddamn son, you already know how to play don't buddy me

Is it that unlikely for him to act friendly to you as town? Also, that doesn't look very buddy-ing to me, atleast not to the degree you're presenting it.

The counter-evidence is that Frogger recently replaced in, already ran up 70 posts, and has been generally emotional and all-over-the-place. Seems town.

It felt weird to me.

But you don't see me voting Frogger, do you?

Nope. You don't.

[hapahauli]

Howabout Transcend? Thoughts on my case/vote?

[Green Crayons]

Well how about this for splitting the baby.


I've felt weird about Transcend all game. He's part of the nancy/transcend/Riley fiasco of radar jamming I've had all game. One of them is likely scum just because idkwtf and yes, that is definitely a tell that has absolutely no track record.


But at the same time I don't get your case against Transcend.

You fault him for not taking leadership. wat.

And then you say his nancy-posts are light hearted but then quote two of his posts. from the mid-300s.

Like, he's been voting/suspecting nancy for a long time. I don't understand your point about why his play is scum.

[hapahauli]

Eugh I wrote that poorly.

The gist is that Transcend isn't interested in figuring out Nancy's alignment. He locked on to Nancy from the start of the game and never let go, barely interacting with Nancy, yet calling her "scummy" repeatedly. If you look at his filter for justifications of why nancy is mafia, do you see any evidence that corroborates why Transcend could feel so strongly about nancy being mafia? It's a very unnatural way to treat a scumread as town.

[Rileycountant]

Of course hapahali x JaeReed x Darklyn is a team I ship.

I'll bite. Why these three?

[Rileycountant]

Hiraki: What it comes down to is that I simply don't believe nancy wrt her claims about the motivations/meaning behind some of the stuff she did, like switching from momo to Darklyn and back to momo. You say that shitposting is NAI, but my issue isn't shitposting - it's the fact that nancy hasn't been producing much content/trying to sort, and only shitposts. And then when I call her out on it, she tries to justify her shitposts as attempts to sort, which is pretty damn fake.