Open 681: Making Friends and Enemies [GAME OVER]

[Green Crayons]

Firstly,

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Green Crayons]

No time like the present.

VOTE: momo

[Green Crayons]

Firstly,

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Did you have a reason for this vote?

<asks question about page 1 post>
<ignores only two posts from RC and GC that would answer this question>
<ignores post from other player who also pointed out the weird aspect of RC's post>

If you did it must have been shallow given the shift to Momo not five posts later.

<makes a joke about a page 1 vote being shallow>
<this is a joke, right?>
<this must be a joke>

VOTE: Green Crayons

The more I think about it the better this vote feels to me.

<shits the bed>

[Green Crayons]

Momo getting put to L-2 on the second page when he has yet to produce content makes him more likely to be town.

This is a good, not great, point though.

[Green Crayons]

More I think about it, maybe the reverse is even more true.

Obviously, townread me most of all.

[Green Crayons]

words

This is bad scum hunting (voting on assumptions after asking for a response but before getting it, then using response provided after vote to further solidify vote that was originally based on previously asked question but only disagreeing with interpretation of response rather than actually scumreading anything), but probably town. Thanks.

[Green Crayons]

I likes him more than I likes you.

I think he made a bad, not terrible, point though.

Thanks,

n

ancy.

Brownie points.

[Green Crayons]

All aboard.

<assumes Korts came up with an original thought>
<ignores votes started counting between post 14 and post 21>
<ignores that a momo vote was the first vote the mod considered made>

[Green Crayons]

<assumes that making a vote against player x means you've dropped your interest in player y>
<assumes that watching how player y reactions when he has no pressure on him is without merit>

I wonder how many others I'll come up with. Choo choo.

[Green Crayons]

@RC:

I don't know how to read GC here but regardless of alignment

his posting is tedious to read

.

And, frankly, it only goes downhill from here.

@Transcend:

Ask me anything.

I don't get your nancy vote, at least when you made it. What's up with that?

[Green Crayons]

Mhm. Mhm.

[Green Crayons]

I wasn't joking in pregame

But i cannot resist this

VOTE: momo

L2

What did this mean?

[Green Crayons]

It means that i fosed nancy, but i was fine escalating the leading wagon lol

Oh man.

I get that.

The question was directed at the "I wasn't joking" comment. What was it about nancy's first four posts that you weren't joking about? idgi

[Green Crayons]

Don't worry momo I won't hammer

Mhm. Mhm.

[Green Crayons]

@momo:

is this your first mafiascum account?

[Green Crayons]

lol that's definitely L-1

[Green Crayons]

lol that's definitely L-2

[Green Crayons]

Hey Crayons, can you stop doing that <third-person> thing? It's pretty hacky.

I rise to the level of the case against me.

Also I have a hard ceiling on quality, so.

<thems the breaks>

[Green Crayons]

Darklyn is obvscum, however, so I should probably move my vote there soon.

Joke or serious?

[Green Crayons]

SIGNATURE BURN

what's the site's opinion on self-meta these days?

what's the site's opinion on self-meta derived form signature quotes these days?

layers on layers

[Green Crayons]

I read some things.

VOTE: ThinkBig

[Green Crayons]

Darklyn is obvscum, however, so I should probably move my vote there soon.

Joke or serious?

[Green Crayons]

too many people owning up to being scum itt

[Green Crayons]

Darklyn is obvscum, however, so I should probably move my vote there soon.

Joke or serious?

Joke but my read on the slot is more scum than null.

Alright.

Walk me through 29, 32, 46, 64, 65, 66.

[Green Crayons]

Nah bro. That way madness lies.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: nancy lynch all females tbh

Wow die sexist.

VOTE: Darklyn

I just wanted to appease you Transcend is that so bad.

No true feminist.



I have solved the mafia equation through gender dynamics.

[Green Crayons]

Hey that was a lot of drunk posts I didn't read.

[Green Crayons]

A parenthetical.

I'm very confused at the style of play here. nancy going all DGB all over the place, Transcend acting like he's Fate of all things, everyone throwing around reads like actual justification is for nerds - this fucking truthtell powertown bullshit too - this game is like we took all the most idiosyncratic playstyles of the last ten years and dialed it up to eleven. Is there anyone here who can make an actual case instead of just roleplaying madness?

With that out of the way, I need to get some work done, I will be back in a couple of hours.

So, why aren't you feeding this play into your analysis rather than going "well this is weird, but can't do anything with it I guess"?

[Green Crayons]

Hey I read the whole game thread. Give me a super power!

[Green Crayons]

Still happy with my TB vote!

1.

k so since we have 3 maf and I know all 3 can't be that.

@nancy, RC, Trans if you guys are town just sheep me on korts if I die before you. getting this out there early since you all know my basic meta wrt nightkills, cheers.

{RC}
{TB}
{Darklyn, GC, nancy, Rileycountant}
{Transcend}
{horrordude, Hiraki}
{Grendel, momo}
{korts}

So this is around 38 after which I start drawing preflips. I'm fine with a lynch in any of my bottom 2 tiers.

As Transcend pointed out, this read list so far is bullsht. Why am I in your second their as a town read? I have barely posted and contributed this game.

Getting brownie points by calling a list--a list already questioned by another player--BS, and specifically identifying that he was townread on that list. So scum.

2.

VOTE: Momo

I will take that as a scum claim. Who are your buddies?

Super safe vote onto game's most popular wagon. So scum.

3.

I like your fake hydra synchronicity though.

Love the shades. This is all kinds of yuck.

obvbuddying.

4.

Can Riley, not Accountant, Riley, please explain why she can't type like a normal person.

Because typing like a hyper 5 your old girl is not genuine.

And not genuine is scum.

I will let Riley speak, but from my experience, she does this in all her games. She is probably just an alt who is trying way too hard to impersonate KainTepes.

lol. Just lol. In the middle of the the big nancy fiasco, TB comes back into the game to expound about Riley's posting style. Which nobody cares about except momo and Accountant.

And does a "I'm not defending but let me defend" tactic ("I will let Riley speak, but" here's an explanation anyways).

5.

I like ThinkBig 318 - even if I think it is too strenuous.

Insert eyeroll emoji here. 318 is him coming back to the thread and OMGUS voting the person who had just voted him since the last time TB had visited the thread.




I'm not going to touch 418 because of obvious reasons, but know I continue to have thoughts!

[Green Crayons]

Currently feeling like pushing Green Crayon's will just make me annoyed.

I wanted to get a solid read on him, but if he is just going to keep insulting my intelligence I can't be bothered.

Asshole Strategy: Success.

[Green Crayons]

And then some realchat: I've gone back and forth on nancy. I'm currently in the "don't vote" camp. I agree with Hiraki on this point.

[Green Crayons]

Insert eyeroll emoji here. 318 is him coming back to the thread and OMGUS voting the person who had just voted him since the last time TB had visited the thread.

There's no OMGUS and recent ThinkBig postings confirm that.

Spoiler: But See:

VOTE: ThinkBig found the scum

VOTE: ThinkBig found the scum

Please explain

All in due time my friend

All in due time my friend

I'll be waiting.

Third member is probably ThinkBig or horrordude

Hey all. Still kinda hung over from the weekend. Will be posting more tonight.

is momo, dare I say it, town?

VOTE: Darklyn

Pressure vote for you to start providing content and contributing to the game. You have done nothing so far and have made no attempt to game solve. You voted for me, promised an explanation, failed to deliver, and now you are voting nancy. Your progression this game does not come from a town mindset.

Also doubling down on safe vote with safe (pointing out anti-town activity) case against player he was already focused on (but not really getting attention) is not what I'd call reassuring.

[Green Crayons]

Not quite sure what you mean here. He voted for me, promised me an explanation, failed to deliver on that promise, and then votes nancy. There were 211 posts between his vote on me and my vote on him. That's not an OMGUS.

211 is a big number.

But the number that counts is 3. 3 is the number of

your

posts between when Dark voted you and when you voted him. And in two of those posts, you directly engaged Dark about his vote.

[Green Crayons]

Hi GC, how ya doin

I'm still bitter at being bad at this game.

And you?

[Green Crayons]

That was referencing our prior game, where I was horrible and you were good.

[Green Crayons]

r u srs

[Green Crayons]

Well I do appreciate you think I'm being unintentionally bad.

[Green Crayons]

I just want you to help me here because I'm not reading through 17 pages

I made my case against TB two pages ago.

[Green Crayons]

I didn't really want to look at it but your case on ThinkBig is defined as:

TB is a very safe player. He also buddies through insults and posts in infrequently.

By the way, we're on Day 1 (specifically Page 20) and the parts where he was "off-topic" because two people were discussing the facts was when the two facts were most prevalently being discussed.

I don't think you're being intentionality bad here but I can't agree (or even understand with the buddying part) with anything that you were saying.

- No idea how you think my suspicions translates into "TB is a very safe player."
- Also I don't care that TB posts infrequently in the abstract. It's what he posts when he does within the context of infrequently posting (so far, I understand he has V/LA on weekends).
- Page 20 is a lot of words that people posted so I don't know what point you're trying to make by suggesting that there just wasn't anything to work with.
- Riley's speech pattern was the most prevalent discussion?

[Green Crayons]

@Hiraki:

Super safe vote onto game's most popular wagon. So scum.

- No idea how you think my suspicions translates into "TB is a very safe player."

lol I'm dumb.

So I was interpreting your "safe" as in "conservative posting" (per your other comments about him not posting much), rather than in terms of him being safe in the substance of his posts (as I was using that term). I had forgotten that I actually used the term "safe". lol I'm pro.

Now - I think if you're looking for ThinkBig to comment on the game, which is what I think you're trying to change your argument to, you'd have a lot more luck by just talking to him.

I'm not trying to or am changing my argument? I also don't need TB to comment more on the game, but he's more than happy to do so.

[Green Crayons]

Mhm, mhm.

Let me know when we hit the magic number of pages that my suspicions suddenly have merit.

[Green Crayons]

When I see self-meta I really just want to vote it to death.

[Green Crayons]

words

These notepad thoughts are fine and acceptable and whatever, but I am really hoping you'll come out swinging with a case after you've finished your catch up.

[Green Crayons]

(No sarcasm involved.)

[Green Crayons]

People that are town:

ThinkBig
- Posting seems very direct and to the point. "Passive" play is consistent with overall playstyle.
- Replacing out in a game like this is almost always town. Scum don't get "demotivated" by a spamposting fest, since it's a great atmosphere for mafia to hide, and town to eat itself alive.

Frogger
- Ditto on the replacement here. Previous player replacing out is almost always town.
- JaeReed vs. Frogger was very TvT.

JaeReed
- Lots of genuine frustration all game shown at defending himself. Particularly the Frogger interaction.

This is gross.

I literally vomited in my mouth. It had nothing to do with the too many gin & tonics I just downed.

It was all your post's fault.

[Green Crayons]

Like Korts was a huge nothingburger but frogger has been kinda really very much squick scum.

[Green Crayons]

Also TB obvscum killkillkill.

[Green Crayons]

Things I will not do:

read other boring games

[Green Crayons]

Yeah I've done worse.

[Green Crayons]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

[Green Crayons]

Also lol at me tunneling anyone in this game.

You have

no

idea

how bad I can get.

I guarantee you it'll get just as bad if you ignore very blatant, easy-to-access evidence that goes against your meta. Pull up his game history and skim a game or two. It'll take five minutes of your life. If the crux of your case against TB is "he is too passive", then it's not going to hold water.

If what you're getting is "he's too passive" out of my case you are


wait


did you replace TB?

[Green Crayons]

Talk to me about Frogger.

I'll talk to you about:

That was referencing our prior game, where I was horrible and you were good.

o gotcha

help me get good here. Who's you're top scumread and why

and how it's W O W buddying

[Green Crayons]

here's some background (o gawd meta? no it's years old that doesn't quality as meta) last time I played with frogger he schooled me in this game as scum and I was like "damn you are good"

and now he's like "bro GC teach me the ways sensei"

and goddamn son, you already know how to play don't buddy me

[Green Crayons]

Good lord no. I replaced the clown dude. Why even ask that? It's so easily verifiable.

ha ha this is a good joke where you assume I keep good records that are not just my mental notes

[Green Crayons]

here's some background (o gawd meta? no it's years old that doesn't quality as meta) last time I played with frogger he schooled me in this game as scum and I was like "damn you are good"

and now he's like "bro GC teach me the ways sensei"

and goddamn son, you already know how to play don't buddy me

Is it that unlikely for him to act friendly to you as town? Also, that doesn't look very buddy-ing to me, atleast not to the degree you're presenting it.

The counter-evidence is that Frogger recently replaced in, already ran up 70 posts, and has been generally emotional and all-over-the-place. Seems town.

It felt weird to me.

But you don't see me voting Frogger, do you?

Nope. You don't.

[Green Crayons]

Well how about this for splitting the baby.


I've felt weird about Transcend all game. He's part of the nancy/transcend/Riley fiasco of radar jamming I've had all game. One of them is likely scum just because idkwtf and yes, that is definitely a tell that has absolutely no track record.


But at the same time I don't get your case against Transcend.

You fault him for not taking leadership. wat.

And then you say his nancy-posts are light hearted but then quote two of his posts. from the mid-300s.

Like, he's been voting/suspecting nancy for a long time. I don't understand your point about why his play is scum.

[Green Crayons]

OMG I BUDDIED

That's your scumread on me?

WHEE SELF META VOTE ME GC

Is it your self-meta to get super defensive over two posts?

[Green Crayons]

Why did you just now vocalize your Transcend "weird feelings"?

Because I don't brain dump my thoughts as they come up, I let things percolate and filter them as my thoughts develop more keenly, and then share them with the class when I'm good and ready--unless prodded by another player, as here.

Isn't this something you should have brought up before, or interacted with transcend about?

No and no.

[Green Crayons]

At bachelor party all weekend literally have read only slips v/la until Tuesday.

[Green Crayons]

Hi I see I haven't read about 20+ pages of what has happened.


So what has happened?

[Green Crayons]

nancy you are getting sleepy when I snap my fingers you will be under my control

*snaps*

you will vote hapahauli

Except that I think you're scum with Transcend, so no. You're both weird as fuck this game.

what part of you are hypnotized right now is confusing you

The part where I don't want to help you with your bus.

Honestly I don't care if you bus your partner D1 you and Transcend both pushed as hard as fuck to get me quicklynched and you're scum for it.

wanna vote nancy for this.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: hapahauli

I'm not dealing with toxic playing right now. If you're town and threatening to gamethrow, die. If you're scum, yippie.

Could vote for this too.

[Green Crayons]

Just trust me on Transcend.

I know this is a thing to say but not feeling this.

[Green Crayons]

I hereby trust you on transcend

xP

pedit link me to the case?

I'll jus quote it

Darklyn’s voting habits jump between the most popular wagon, and anybody remotely suspicious of him. His complacency about nancy, in that he was satisfied in seeing her lynched when he hadn’t given any reason on his part why she is a good lynch. Aside from gut I guess?

Would like to see more from horrordude0215

Scum are likely to call out lurking buddies out of because their informed prespective makes the lurking appear much worse than it would to town. So they try to pull their buddies out of the wood work so nobody starts scum reading them for their absence. Also some scum seem to think that is a good tactic for distancing early in the game in my previous experiences.

Spoiler:

Your best bet on this wagon is that because you believe I'm defending Nancy that if she flips scum, you have a 1-2 punch. I'm not defending her if the only accusation toward her play that I can find is anti-town logic rather than actual reasons.

If you think she's anti-town you shouldn't be that bothered if people vote for her, let her defend herself

Here is why I am scum reading Darklyn and here is my case against him.

Post 11, 28, and 32 are all RVS votes from Darklyn. He made 3 RVS votes. By post 32, we should be starting to break out of the RVS mindset. Post 32, by the way, was made when Momo was at L-2. We had someone at L-2 and the best he can contribute was an RVS vote on nancy?

Post 65 is all kinds of yuck.

107 he votes for me and I ask him for an explanation. He promises one and has so far failed to deliver.

Post 206 you want to see more from horrordude, but you have barely contributed yourself and have made posts that are essentially contentless. How can you tell another player that you want to hear more from them but you haven't really contributed yourself?

His ISO is bad and he needs rope. I seriously don't want this anywhere near MyLo.

nice chainsaw 7/10

His assumption that a the the scum [HirkixThinkBigxNancy] is that one player is hard defending one buddy, while another is attacking Darklyn, who was amoung the most set in having nancy lynched. Would be two risky maneuvers that wouldn’t happen at the same time, or at the least happen this early in the game.

QUICKHAMMER TIME

Really wants to end the day early when out of the players on the wagon he had the least openly developed reads. This doesn't display much interest in game solving.

No because literally the only way I get mislynched today is by all the scum being on my wagon.

that just sounds like intimidation "if you vote for me you're scum!"

Closed reason for nancy being scum outside of gut. Also a very ironic comment. I've retired the tell that scum are more likely to project things they themselves are guilty for onto other players, but ugh, I think it fits Darklyn play super well.

Spoiler:

lol butthurt

lel at Hiraki defending his scumbuddy

hahahahahahaha

Hahahah look how rattled ThinkBig and Hiraki are hahahahahaha

These posts really don't look genuine to me, and neither do all the jokey responses in his iso. He is trying the play the "I'm a flippant and funny guy" card super hard, and it all looks really forced. Like an overcompensation.

His iso it very information minimal, and he dosen’t expond on much beyond scum reads, or when a scum read transitions into town/null.

And more recently this happened:

VOTE: Grendel
nancy, I'll get off your back if you help me lynch this guy

Look at this. Being so quick to ditch his scum read if nancy sheeps him shows just how little depth there is to his read. He wanted nancy quick lynched just days before. It looks like he doesn’t believe his own reads doesn’t it?

this could be tryhard scum but really feeling serioustry town

[Green Crayons]

oh btw I'm trying to make up for my absence with a bunch of posts

[Green Crayons]

Just trust me on Transcend.

I know this is a thing to say but not feeling this.

Pausing here to note that yes, I've seen nancy is sitting at three votes, and no, I'm not sure how much that is coloring my perception of her posts.

[Green Crayons]

I am more surprised at JaeReed not pushing Grendel if he's preferred lynch.

Why is there a momo wagon? Why is Grendel scummy and not wagoned?

are you serious


This post made my iso titus and I want to lynch. Also, apparently a claim (!) so, hurrah.

[Green Crayons]

I'm honestly not even going to fight this push regardless of how shit it is because my flip kills 2 out 3 scum.

The issue I have you Accountant is that you're too sure of yourself. You don't stop to re-examine your reasoning and find where there may be flaws. You don't stop to check that you might be looking in all the wrong places for all the wrong things, you just conjure up a scenario for yourself where X is scum and make the pieces fit. It's bad scumhunting and your reads will always be flawed as long as you continue to base them on rhetoric and posture rather than on actually assuming the perspective of the individual you're hunting.

Case in point: Tell me why scum!me would post 1035. What is scum!me trying to gain from this? I have town!Jae trapped in contradictions and I offer them a way out because ______?

scumpost


Sorry i started drinking and so reading is getting slower.

[Green Crayons]

Uhhhh I think Titus is scum..

VOTE: Titus

well there are two players but they seem a bit too obvious

?

There's a hidden dynamic that's confusing here.

VOTE: Grendel

There surely is.

VOTE: Grendel

wat

[Green Crayons]

GC, could be scum doing word vomit.

VOTE: Grendel

Can we do this Frogger?

no u

[Green Crayons]

And GC freely admits this and has said so in this game

yes I am bad. NEXT

[Green Crayons]

what if I told you jae is conftown?

if this is serious i hate you because I actually picked up on Jae being mason gdi

[Green Crayons]

Titus could theoretically townread me and she didn't. And I think that actually makes her town.

Explain this to me.

[Green Crayons]

oh great - 20 pages before I post from D1. Great

gret

grate

Where have you been?

[Green Crayons]

not feeling the reads in 1264, but (shrug)

VOTE: Titus

[Green Crayons]

Reasons:

1.

VOTE: hapahauli

I'm not dealing with toxic playing right now. If you're town and threatening to gamethrow, die. If you're scum, yippie.

This is lolbad and a great scum hammer (blaming the victim; playing off of not doing a catch-up, just going with the mob flow).

2.

Post 932, Post 938, Post 939, Post 940, Post 946, Post 947, Post 952 = hi I am going to just ask questions to appear active but not actually do anything substantive.

3.

Grendel's reads suck. Noted. But why does Grendel shoot RC?

r u srs

This is more of the same as the above posts, but honestly that question is really, really bad because I can't think of how a townread could give an informed, substantive response that can be convincing one way or another. SO why ask a question that will only give you a worthless answer? Because you're not interested in the answer.

I'm probably not explaining this well, but basically a response to this question can be used simply however the questioner wants--not to actually deduce the merit of the case against Grendel.

4.

well there are two players but they seem a bit too obvious

?

There's a hidden dynamic that's confusing here.

VOTE: Grendel

I think this should get pressure too.

Oh wow I am not surprised at all that there's a Grendel vote after basically begging for a reason to be allowed on this wagon by obvtown frog.

And lol:

Grendel's reads suck. Noted. But why does Grendel shoot RC?

i'm not worried about that

scum!Grendel has two scumbuddies, ya know

True but humor me.

I have no idea. The three of us (plus nancy) just finished a game where RC led town to victory. I'm guessing Grendel is aware of what town!RC can do.

This attempt to be engaged was a wet fart and so Titus went silent on it, but still nonetheless there's the Grendel vote.

5.

UNVOTE: Grendel

There's two optimal plays but we lost 1.

The first, quick lynch and lynch anything that doesn't claim mason.

Second, let the masons pick the choices with everyone contributing unless they feel buddied/incapable.

"Nobody asked, but here are two game strategies: one which I freely admit cannot be pursued and the second which absolves me of any responsibilities for my mislynches. Yes this is TOTALLY TOWN GUYS."

6.

Darklyn is apparently impossible to be scum according to Fro99er.

The only players that are impossible to be scum are the masons. I'm just rather annoyed at the claim situation at the moment.

<must input town frustration post to let others know I am town>

I also don't like Post 1233
and Post 1257 but that just boils down to not liking the feel of this commentary (game strategy out of nowhere, and not helpful but seems productive; trying to

[Green Crayons]

oh that bottom part is what I was going to type in while lazy but I figured if you're going to do anything to do it right

so I expounded upon them and messed up my post anyways

/expertstatus

[Green Crayons]

n-n-n-n-no

<quivers in boots>

[Green Crayons]

I've been townreading Grendel all game since his bad-but-serious scumhunting me on page1/2. Soooooooooo.

Also

"argued me trying to sort JaeReed and Frogger as negatives?"

I have no idea what this even means, but I'm pretty sure that the answer is no, that is not what I did.

[Green Crayons]

word vomit

lol

[Green Crayons]

And GC freely admits this and has said so in this game

yes I am bad. NEXT

VOTE: Grendel

[Green Crayons]

Well then I guess it's 100% momo.

[Green Crayons]

That leaves a scum alive to talk to buddies at night. Weaken the scum as best as possible with the most assured results.

[Green Crayons]

Still can see a Titus scum with Grendel scum. Came in, ignored momo wagon (obviously a point if momo flips), repeatedly asked conftown frogger permission to vote grendel, completely ignored nancy.

[Green Crayons]

Well (shrug)

[Green Crayons]

Same.

[Green Crayons]

I don't even know what to say about this game. Everyone jump aboard the kill and discredit nancy train.

I'm, like, 80% off of that train.

[Green Crayons]

/hero

[Green Crayons]

I am shocked,

shocked

that momo wasn't the NK.

[Green Crayons]

I didn't look at this game at all over the night phase and have zero motivation to do so now.

Same.

Titus, who's scum?

Wrong person to ask.

[Green Crayons]

Ah, yes. Tunneling. The mark of scum everywhere.

[Green Crayons]

FWIW I think momo is a fine lynch for today because of frog's reasons + his play.

I also think Hiraki is a good lynch because he's been super noncommittal except to knock down cases which is safe scum play (oh I see he's now voting Titus based off of my comment we shouldn't follow her, which I said because she's naming really bad lynches like me and Nancy, not because she's top of the scum list. lol).

Is it convenient that these are also the other names that have been floated as potential lynch candidates for today? Yes. But there's a reason for it.

I don't think Nancy is scum unless if someone can point out a plausible time when she was being bussed, as I think just about everyone did or wanted to vote her at some point in this game.

If momo or Jai aren't scum its either Riley, Titus, or Transcend. Probably in that order.


After being completely wrong on Grendel and having my credibility shot, I don't have any real inclination to dig myself out of that or put in a lot of effort so I'm not going to follow this up with a effort post unless if I get inspired.

[Green Crayons]

in re momo:

You know what's not chill? Acting like scum when you might not be scum. I'm defending you because the wagon structure seems too quick to be anything that leads to a scumlynch but other than that, I'd vote you in a heartbeat.

Momo is VI. Stop it with that nonsense.

in re nancy:

To clarify, I don't think Nancy is 100% scum either. I can't tell based on her recent postings. I just think she's wrong. I'm going to stay on Transcend for the following:

Can someone articulate anything that nancy has done that is actually scummy?

2) Riley is a very pragmatic scumhunter. I understand that your wall basically states that she thinks you're scum because you're not taking the game seriously. That's her opinion - not really something that you can entangle into scumminess. I also think that Accountant's assessment in 202 is wrong. I've been following you all game and I haven't seen anything odd. I'm not sure on their alignment at the current moment.

Can someone articulate anything that nancy has done that is actually scummy?

Responses:

YEAH!!! SHE KEEPS REFUSING TO PLAY THE GAME!!!

Anti-town, not scum.

Well I have the L-3 vote on momo while calling Darklyn obvscum as a pretty fucking transparent thing that you don't do as someone who is trying to play the game -

But I don't think I have a real grip on this game

(Bolded for emphasis; Then proceeds to replace out)

it's because of the fact that she's using fake reaction tests to essentially be able to have a read without explaining why(see: votes on Darklyn and us). This is scum blatantly pushing for whatever lynches they want without having the burden of justifying why they're doing so, and then hiding under trolly behavior to try and get away with it.

I actually didn't read the second part close enough and I want to push Rileycountant into a leaning SR but also I mentioned this fact. I also never got good feels during the JaeReed stuff, especially after skimming through the Banana Split game (might be different - it was the newbie game and not a major part of my decision but something that others may want to look into)

Going back to other people:

Fro99er is a holdover vote (Korts).

@Riley: not not really, I legit think nancy might be scum though

Wow - nothing.

Transcend is probably the worst offense on the wagon for early game shenanigans.

I want Trascend/ThinkBig 10x more (later is like 2x more) but in order to get the game moving:

Vote: Rileycountant

If you give me a solid reason to vote her, I'll join you.

hahahahahahaha

(no explanation)

You can laugh but when she flips town, you're right next to Trascend.

How the FUCK is she supposed to defend herself if I can't even see the arguments she's supposed to defend against?

Addendum to the Hiraki tries to find nancy reasoning:

sorry nancy but I'm obligated to bus you this game it's nothing personal I just want the sweet sweet towncred.

nancy I note taht you haven't said much to transcend about him voting you and hardpushing you: why

nancy I note taht you haven't said much to transcend about him voting you and hardpushing you: why

I can't answer until he does more things without influencing what he'll do.

well fuck if this isn't the spoonful of sugar in the corn flakes

VOTE: nancy

(enter nothing here)

My vote remains on nancy because she just wants scum to hammer me at this point.

uhhhh nancy, I have so many problems with nancy's meta before this game. Her fucked up scum reading just push me past the line.

Should I put nancy at L-1 or is it too early???

Again - I have NO problem voting nancy until someone gives me a legitimate reason to vote nancy. Until then, I am not going to vote nancy and I am sure this will result in a mislynch because it's illogical.

Additionally, would much much much rather a Transcend wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Transcend

I will appease you once Frogger, only because I really really really want your vote off that stupid and horrible nancy wagon that no one can identify reasons for.

I stopped quoting your nancy defense posts because there's so many of them.



in re Riley:

That's right - you want to lynch Riley and you have no care of whether she's town or scum. I'm not furthering this argument. Unless you have an argument against her words, stop trying to policy lynch Riley because it won't happen.

in re ThinkBig/Titus:

There's no OMGUS and recent ThinkBig postings confirm that.

There are a lot of unreassuring things in this game and I think that focusing on one that is actually following up with what they said should be the least of your concerns rather than targeting them for actually being cohesive. ThinkBig also hasn't posted a lot. I'm just very confused that this is where your vote is. I didn't really want to look at it but your case on ThinkBig is defined as:

TB is a very safe player. He also buddies through insults and posts in infrequently.

By the way, we're on Day 1 (specifically Page 20) and the parts where he was "off-topic" because two people were discussing the facts was when the two facts were most prevalently being discussed.

I don't think you're being intentionality bad here but I can't agree (or even understand with the buddying part) with anything that you were saying.

Getting brownie points by calling a list--a list already questioned by another player--BS

If this isn't safe, I would love to know what you think of what is safe.

Super safe vote onto game's most popular wagon.

The only thing I took out of those posts were where you said "so scum"

Which is the only thing that actually implies that you think he's scum in those statements rather than just a safe player overall.

- Also I don't care that TB posts infrequently in the abstract. It's what he posts when he does within the context of infrequently posting (so far, I understand he has V/LA on weekends).

OK but then you would question what he said in those posts, right? Because two of the things that you posted (i.e. "TB is safe" points) related to TB posting something that is safe relative to the context of the game rather than his own content.

I can't answer your third dash.

Riley's speech pattern was the most prevalent discussion at that time. From his Darklyn vote to the next post, there is an interval of an hour in which Momo came in and start being mad about it as he was in his earlier post. I don't think its unreasonable to talk about something relevant which I certainly believe is your point.

Now - I think if you're looking for ThinkBig to comment on the game, which is what I think you're trying to change your argument to, you'd have a lot more luck by just talking to him.

@Darklyn - YEAH FUCK US FOR ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME LOL

So I was interpreting your "safe" as in "conservative posting" (per your other comments about him not posting much), rather than in terms of him being safe in the substance of his posts (as I was using that term).

Either way is pretty meaningless in D1 with less than 20 pages down.

I said the latter because of your safe comments but I still don't think you're committed to that Think Big read after our current conversation.

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I stopped quoting about 4/5s of the way through your iso.

[Green Crayons]

I've called Titus/TB scum all game but uh sure i guess i just hopped on

Just grabbing this from you ISO:

Not really, it started out defense but somehow also you claimed TB was your second-in-line suspicion (despite voting voted Transcend and Riley D1, not your second in line TB).

I do see that you started turning towards Titus in D2 in relation to Grendel, and also were somewhat heavy pushing Grendel. Maybe someone with time/effort will do a dive and see if this was a bus.

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I do see that you started turning towards Titus in D2 in relation to Grendel, and also were somewhat heavy pushing Grendel. Maybe someone with time/effort will do a dive and see if this was a bus.

To clarify: Or not a bus. Probably worth looking into before voting Hiraki, since we do have a scum flip.

[Green Crayons]

OK is it obvious that Hiraki and GC are scums now or does I gotta explains everytin?

plz effort post because if you insist on being wrong you should at least work for it.

[Green Crayons]

I noted this above but you again said these were defense posts. Here are some posts that I made, in no necessary order, out of context, that you posted that were "defense" posts.

We're probably getting into the weeds; staring at trees and not looking at the forest; etc.

My take away from you play as this game progressed is that you have knocked down criticisms of other cases.

Doing a quick review of your ISO to verify this per my earlier post shows that you thought four people were vote-worthy: Transcend, Riley, Titus/TB, Grendel.

The forest, here, is that this didn't even click until I specifically ISO'd you.


So what's your case against Titus?

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I do see that you started turning towards Titus in D2 in relation to Grendel, and also were somewhat heavy pushing Grendel. Maybe someone with time/effort will do a dive and see if this was a bus.

To clarify: Or not a bus. Probably worth looking into before voting Hiraki, since we do have a scum flip.

I'm interested in Dark's, Transcend's, and Riley's input on their thoughts about Hiraki/Grendel interactions.

[Green Crayons]

I noted this above but you again said these were defense posts. Here are some posts that I made, in no necessary order, out of context, that you posted that were "defense" posts.

We're probably getting into the weeds; staring at trees and not looking at the forest; etc.

My take away from you play as this game progressed is that you have knocked down

criticisms of other cases

other cases with criticism, which is what I quoted

.

Doing a quick review of your ISO to verify this per my earlier post shows that you thought four people were vote-worthy: Transcend, Riley, Titus/TB, Grendel.

The forest, here, is that this didn't even click until I specifically ISO'd you.


So what's your case against Titus?

Fixed. Have been drinking.

[Green Crayons]

lol @ everyone voting Hiraki but not doing the Grendel/Hiraki ISO that I am unwilling to do because lazy.

[Green Crayons]

lol @ everyone voting Hiraki but not doing the Grendel/Hiraki ISO that I am unwilling to do because lazy.

Actually already did it.

You have to show your work or it doesn't count.

[Green Crayons]

THAT INTENT WAS BAAAAAAAAAD!!!! IT SEEMED SO OPPORTUNISTIC!!! IT'S LIKE!!!! HIRAKI IS GIVING PERMISSION TA LYNCH HIM SO'S MOMO CAN HAMMER HIM WITHOUT SEEMING SCUMMY!!!

VOTE: MOMO!!!!

Hiraki was being scummy so you're voting the momo for being scummy by association?

[Green Crayons]

I honestly fail to see how town!Hiraki could be so blind to the gamestate and still be stubbornly pushing bad reads

Yeah this could go for a lot of people.

[Green Crayons]

Do we just not do cases any more?

I'm going to have to go back and reread frogger to make sure that I'm okay with the momo vote notwithstanding this uninspired ping-pong, bad reason voting everyone is doing.

[Green Crayons]

I'm announcing it instead of doing it because I won't get to it until tonight. Who knows if there'll even be a day still going on by then!

[Green Crayons]

just lol

[Green Crayons]

plz kill Titus she isn't obvtown you dolts

[Green Crayons]

juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust

lol



gg scum but I don't know htf titus survived


seriously thought it was going to be

titus lynch
math nk
CK / Trans / Riley with a mislynch of Trans because CK was all about Transcum



just lol guys and gals