Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

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Policy lynch SS on day2

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VOTE: thinkbig

Why believe it?

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TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

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More TB votes pls

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LUL XD

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Boon probs scum as well

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VOTE: rb for lynching a miller, hello again by the way

ahahaha hey dood

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DS im town dw, lets lynch scum together i think ur town because ur jovial attitude and internal humour is reflective of town mentality

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TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

That's stupid

No u r

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hope ur marathon goes well

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Transcend is scum

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VOTE: Transcend

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20 - arongrundy believes the miller claim
21- So do I
22 - Policy lynch claimed miller
23 - Votes ThinkBig instead for believing the claim

TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

This literally makes no sense at all. I believe the miller claim because at this point, there is no real reason not to believe it. I've seen scum fake claim miller; however I don't think I have ever seen scum fake claim miller in their first post during RVS.

UNVOTE: aronagrundy
VOTE: rb

is not making sense a scum trait?

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Okay so something about TB is off here.

He says I'm not making sense but not making sense isn't really a scum trait as I understand it. In fact, scum usually try to make sense. Not that making sense is a scum trait, these two things are just not really related to alivgnment that strongly

BUT, TB votes me for it. Why? If someone doesn't make sense to you and ypu're town, what do you do? Usually, town try to understand first or if they think something is scummy they point it out. TB's motivation here doesn't seem town, it seems forced and scummy because he's trying to pin a vote on me for more than pointless RVS reasons, but hasn't really expressed anything more convincing than "that didnt make sense".

VOTE: ThinkBig

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DW = dont worry btw darkshadow

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the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town

He wasn't and it absolutely doesn't mean that.

He needs rope

wow ur slow, we aren't lynching transcend

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Sure

But if town knows what's good they should unvote

I'll give full thoughts after work

That is EXACTLY what scum would say here. Of course we should wait, and annoyingly, you'll probably get away with it.

take off the tinfoil hat

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If you're reading my ISO I'm putting this here to remind you

not ever ever ever lynch rb before d4

Why? He is one of my top SR's right now

i know ur bad at the game so I'll give you some leway - please outline why i'm one of your top SR's (so I can outline how poor the basis of your read is)

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Like I said, I'm positive this is an investigation heavy setup. At this point, I'm pretty sure there are investigation roles on both sides. I was in a game that had scum and town gunsmiths alongside backup gunsmiths for both sides.

Yeah. BlackVoid and I share the same home site. Our home site both uses tons of power roles and is often swingy with the set up.

With that said, a miller makes sense in a power rich environment. That's how it looks so far and that's why I believe the claim.

^ this post is full of shit.

TB "believed the claim" on page 1. This is before we knew anything about a "power rich environment"

Now in this post on page 12, he says the reason he believes the claim is that it looks like a "power rich environment".

If he was town, how did he know it was a power rich environment - LESS THAN 25 POSTS INTO THE GAME.

Lynch with extreme prejudice

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i know ur bad at the game so I'll give you some leway - please outline why i'm one of your top SR's (so I can outline how poor the basis of your read is)

Well we can start with post 48. Oh, and nice insult.

I've already addressed 48 - to which you have not responded.

Is not making sense a scum trait?

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On our homesite, on almost every game there is a godfather+cop+miller. Obviously godfathers are blacklisted here, but millers aren't.

So clarify the following for me:
- why did your meta with Blackvoid/homesite meta not get mentioned on page 1?

- seeing as your perceptions on the believability of the claim are based on your personal experiences and meta on specific people, why would you assume someone who doesn't have the same experiences or meta on those specific people is scummy?

- when the original person who believed the claim mentioned as such, did you not think, "i know i believe it, but why do THEY?" - is the fsct that you agree with them but disagreed with me the reason you town and scumread us two respectively? If so, that's a very bad way to scum or townread someone

- the reason I scumread you is essentially the culmination of the above 3 points. Reiterated:
- no accounting for the experiences of other players, simply a desire to utilize this situation to force a scum or townread
- no curiosity over why someone might not believe
- inconsistency in stated reasons as to why you believed the claim. Sure those reasons makes sense that the miller claim is realistic, but it doesn't make sense that you'd assume other people have these se experiences/reasons to believe it, and are therefore scum for being skeptical

Level of irritability seems unreasonable and faked.

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because I go into every game and try to outguess the mod before the game starts.

do you think Smart is scum trying to coast on a Day 1 miller claim? What would you have preferred he do as a miller?

but how do you know he's miller?

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So clarify the following for me:
- why did your meta with Blackvoid/homesite meta not get mentioned on page 1?

Does it really have to? It's page fucking 1 during RVS. Do I really need to type up a Ph.D. dissertation as to why I believe Something_smart's page 1 miller claim?

TIL that typing "I have meta on Blackvoid" is an acceptable submission for my Ph.D. dissertation.

makes my life so much easier actually, thought i was going to have to write a thesis of something

and as a counterpoint - are you not also expecting an unreasonable level of justification as to why I

wouldn't

believe the miller claim then? Why the double standards?

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because I go into every game and try to outguess the mod before the game starts.

do you think Smart is scum trying to coast on a Day 1 miller claim? What would you have preferred he do as a miller?

but how do you know he's miller?

Neither Boonskiies nor I ever said that we

know

he is a miller. I said I believed his claim. That's a world of difference.

Why are Boonskiies and yourself defending and answering for one another?

On that note, can you please do something else as well eagerSnake?

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nvm, someone asked you what you thought of me - thought you were just randomly repeating that you thought I wasn't scum.

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I don't think he is a miller

How come?

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Still see nothing that explains why tb thinks he's so scummy

I agree with that sentiment, but take TB out of the equation. I understand where they are both coming from, but like I said...they both have deadend cases.

Which part is a deadend?

Obviously, you don't understand what I'm pointing out in that case. If you think that the important point here is about whether or not TB believes he's a miller, then you're wrong. It's completely irrelevant to me whether someone's conclusion is that SS is a miller or not a miller.

What's very relevant is that when aronagrundy said, "I believe the miller claim" - it seems to me that the very first town reaction would be, "why do you believe the miller claim?" - even if I had good reasons myself to believe it, I'd want to know why arona believed it, and to see if they could give a good reason because if we don't question why people think certain things, and simply scum or townread people on the basis of whether they agree with us or not...well that's some pretty shitty mafia playing right there.

TB's lack of apparent town curiosity, and seeming lack of ability to understand that this is the relevant point being made (not whether or not he simply believes the claim or not) is what should raise red flags for a town player in the early game.

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UNVOTE: Transcend
VOTE: rb

back to transcend please.

ur also slow, we aren't lynching transcend

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Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

This makes no sense at all. A miller doesn't visit anyone, so why wouldn't a miller go with a cop+watcher+backup watcher?

So far we have:

Something_smart (miller)
EagerSnake (backup watcher)
Unknown player (watcher)
Transcend (some sort of investigative role)

I'm pretty confident one of these is scum.

it's more to do with: what's the point of a miller if there's a Watcher? Normally a miller would be paired with a cop, but we don't necessarily have a cop yet. Miller could also be a fake flag, and maybe there's not a cop or an investigative, but it looks like there IS an investigative and it's a Watcher - so why a miller?

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Also: for any town players who choose to believe the miller claim right now, if you're willing to let the miller claim live into LyLo, pls replace out so I don't have to lose IQ points correcting you

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TB - post 48 isn't an explanation of why you scumread me.

Provide reasons, thanks.

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@Rb - there's basically been a confirmed 3 investigative roles in this game, and I'm pretty sure there are more. are you even reading the thread?

But I thought you thought Transcend was scum? So how would he be 'basically confirmed investigative' in your eyes?

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We have a backup watcher, which means there's probably a watcher. Then the other one is probably Transcend - who you've been saying is likely to be scum, but if you think he's scum, how come you think there's 3 'basically confirmed' investigative roles? That doesn't make sense? It should still be 2 in your eyes if you thought Transcend was probably scum.

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So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

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Miller is anti-town utility, which is completely unrelated to Watcher (it gives nothing to a Watcher) - so if we know there's a Watcher, and then you think Transcend is scum utility - there's still no investigative role that hints at being relevant to there being a Miller. Essentially you're trusting that such a thing would exist, or perhaps that the existence of a Miller is a 'fuck you' to the players to go looking for a cop and make them setup spec a lot. But the information and reasoning you're giving about why you believe the claim, isn't saying any of those things. Why?

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I'm not trying to paint you as scum, I just have a hard time seeing your reasoning as coming from town.

Why? Because you disagree?

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So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

well, at this point, I'm pretty sure he's a mafia watcher, despite whatever he is going to claim.

Why?

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aronagrundy: explain why I'm your top scumread, thanks

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TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

That's stupid

also getting around to TF: why's that stupid? a lack of interest in other people's motives and reasoning, with an attitude more focused on people's end conclusions, is how scum play - because people are more likely to think someone is town when they share conclusions than if they don't.

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Also did someone say I OMGUS'd ThinkBig even though I clearly voted him WAYYYY back on page 1? The OMGUS vote is by TB, not me.

Noobs

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FoS: rb

blatant role phishing. We were speculating. You are phishing.

if you're town please replace out, I'd like to not lose IQ points having to try and cooperate with you

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I mean it's not invalid as a backup watcher to disbelieve a miller claim in a 10v3 normal.

It's not invalid to disbelieve it, no. But even if you don't believe the claim, you don't lynch it D1 unless you REALLY don't believe it, and your reasoning for that is faulty (and intentionally obstinate, might I add).

Why don't you lynch it D1 exactly? What is the utility in keeping it alive even if you disbelieve it?

I like to lynch miller claims on day2, far from lylo, but let them do and say whatever they want on day1 + 2 and then their flip on end of day2 becomes really informative for the rest of the game.

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VOTE: rb

What's your case on me?

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lol, I'm "phishing"

you're a fucking idiot

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I mean it's not invalid as a backup watcher to disbelieve a miller claim in a 10v3 normal.

It's not invalid to disbelieve it, no. But even if you don't believe the claim, you don't lynch it D1 unless you REALLY don't believe it, and your reasoning for that is faulty (and intentionally obstinate, might I add).

Why don't you lynch it D1 exactly? What is the utility in keeping it alive even if you disbelieve it?

Because you might be wrong

might be right too, and statistically towns win more often when you lynch town on day1 - and letting a miller claim anywhere near lylo is just retarded.

I prefer doing it on day2, but it's no big loss to do it on day1 either.

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a combination of all your posts.

Scum usually need to hear cases on them more than town anyways. Scum also fabricate and explain cases more than town does.

explaining things and interacting with people is scummy?

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like if rb is town, he's playing really badly. I like to think he isn't that bad of a player.

if you're town, then you can probably outline how i'm playing badly

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oh and, this coming from the player who thinks that interacting and explaining things is a scum trait....

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where do I seem like i'm freaking out?

also, TB's case is nothing like mine.

Where have i seemed to not be reading the thread?

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And you constantly need to be reassured of all reasons why you are scum. Just read the damn game and you'll see why people are scum reading you. Look at it from the other side and stop being a tunnel fuck.

in what way am I tunneling?

i'm commenting on the major wagons and trying to get my top scumread lynched - is this bad?

what's the "shrug it off" tactic? where am I discrediting you?

is asking questions discrediting?

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if you're referring to the fact that i'm ridiculing the idea that explaining this is "scummy" - that's not discrediting you. you're discrediting yourself with sub50 IQ comments like that

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anyway, can't wait for transcend to get back because it's gonna be fucken JOOSY powerlynching the entire scumteam in like 3 days. this game is so fucking EZ

gotta go watch a movie with GF, cya tonight

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TB isn't a major wagon. You're the only one voting there.

so my scumreads should be influenced by who's easiest to lynch?

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ok rly gtg, but literally all of your reasons are actually so absurd and retarded, i'm genuinely worried about you if you're town

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I get someone saying they are worried about me if I'm town literally every game. I usually win.

lmao, evidence pls

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And you constantly need to be reassured of all reasons why you are scum. Just read the damn game and you'll see why people are scum reading you. Look at it from the other side and stop being a tunnel fuck.

Tbf I don't see the case either. If I was rb I'd be asking for it too. Hell, I'm not rb and I have been asking for it and you even basically said you didn't see it either by saying tbs case on him was dead-end

I didn't scum read him based on TB's case. that was a dead end case. both of theirs were. rb is role phishing, and is trying to discredit any potential claim. Keep in mind, I scum read Transcend as well. See it from that perspective.

where am i 'role phishing'

you're actually warped

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TB isn't a major wagon. You're the only one voting there.

so my scumreads should be influenced by who's easiest to lynch?

see, this is a redirect of what I said. I commented that in response to him saying he's pushing the major wagons. This is his way of discrediting what I said even though he blatantly took it out of context.

where did i say i was pushing the major wagons? i want you to find that, because you can't

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The biggest thing about rb is he says he doesn't believe the miller claim, yet not voting Smart.

please find where i said i don't believe the miller claim - again, you can't

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i'm commenting on the major wagons and trying to get my top scumread lynched - is this bad?

Clearly says: I'm

commenting

on the major wagons and

trying to get my top scumread

lynched.

Where do I claim to be pushing the major wagons?

In fact where do I even use the word 'pushing'.

Just look at this lying scumfuck get more and more desperate and make up more and more bullshit

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I think the best thing to do is just table it until d2 when we have a couple flips to work off

yeah like i said on page fucking 2, just play the game and policy lynch him D2. derp

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boonskiies reason for voting me is that i'm "role phishing" - but he can't provide a single example of it

he claims I'm 'redirecting things' - at the same time as literally lying about what i've said

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So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

Going to cap this off because it's very relevant.

At this point someone who thinks Transcend is scum, wouldn't necessarily believe we are in a TOWN investigative rich setup, which is the thing that would make sense. I doubt Boon or TB thought this far but here's the thing:

Miller is anti-town utility, so it makes a lot of sense in a setup with lots of TOWN investigative utility. It has no bearing on scum investigatives at all, so someone who actually believes Transcend is scum wouldn't bother with this line of thinking. If Boon thinks there's going to be a lot of town PR's who are investigative, this would make more sense.

Eagersnake also makes less sense if he thinks Transcend is town - because if Transcend is town (and not watcher) then that IS a pretty heavy investigative setup for town, making miller make sense. Miller can be used as a false flag as well, so it could also...mean not much.

This is the only reasonable conclusion any town player should be making pre any kind of flip at all - which is why I've been wanting to know why people were taking a strong stance on either believing OR disbelieving it (either one is still possible, and we can't give SS either a coasting or to waste D1 lynch on him - imo late day1 and early-mid day2 are the best parts of the game to re-read, and very often when games are grinding to a halt, these areas of the game are super informative and will find you the last scum.

I don't want SS near lylo just in case, and I don't want to lynch him straight away on policy because it cuts out important parts of the game.

Ergo we policy lynch D2. This might change if we find a better scum target but for now, this is better.

Also, if TB is scum or town rn, Boon seems like either a buddy candidate or chainsaw defence.

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Boonskies if you actually have no fucking reason for scumreading me and it's just because im a dickface jerkdick, that's okay and you can be town but if you ARE town please don't try to Ad hoc justify shitty votes and forced scumreads, because if ur town this is big waste of time for both of us.

Just admit im a dickhead and thats why u voted me, then we can move on and lynch scum, ta.

However if you keep pathetically insisting that i'm scum because of these really pathetic reasons that anyone with a pulse and semi-functioning frontal lobe can see are nonsense, ur gonna have to get lynched

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LUL transcend counterclaimed miller LUL

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LUL r u srs

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I have never LUL so hard in history of LUL

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LUL ok i understand n0w

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tbh i was tempted to vote you for a bit until i understood tho, so I dunno if it's that useful to use ppl on ur wagon as reason to be scum (although i can see ur trying to take it a bit further than that)

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thought DS was in there too?

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I AM YOUR KING

<--------- as demonstrated by the avatar

NEW RULE

SS IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED D1. EVEN IF HES SCUM, THERE WILL BE SO MUCH SETUP SPECULATION AND ROLE CLAIMING THAT WILL LEAD UP TO HIS LYNCH.

SO JUST CEASE IT.

VOTE: TwoFace

hop on this

Voting the most townie person in the game isn't going to improve the bad perception people already have of you.

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VOTE: TwoFace

Basically scumclaimed

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yeah. that's flawed. I believed the claim too page 1, and now that I know this is a power rich environment, I believe it even more.

This. Rb's attempt to discredit tb way back at the beginning was bullshit. Scummy as fuck even.

What's bullshit about it?

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fuck your bravado is cringy

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tbh when ur playing a pretty bad game and proclaim urself "the most town player" it's pretty sad to see regardless of alignment. just terrible

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Gonna start looking for town players tomorrow, everyone do town stuff while I sleep

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it's definitely fair to say probably

Shall I take 5 minutes to find a game where a backup exhausted without a main role? Pretty sure I can find at least one or 2.

You can't assume full watcher with a backup. Basically you can't assume anything

If you read the entirety of my posts and not just confbias you'll see that this has been my point all along - we can't assume the truth or untruth of any kind of setup spec so early and preflip.

but hey keep being slow

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My love for Hapa borders on the sexual, ur only wrong about 2F really. He's skum

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we discussed this before you entered the game, yet you still argued with us before coming to that conclusion.

*pats boon on head*

Slow 1 and Slow 2

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Wow this pants-on-head retarded town actually put Transcend to L-1

fucking morons rofl

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Anyone who thinks I'm scum is obliged to read NY Normal 1850 for a correct understanding of my aggressive playstyle.

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The fastest way to make mafia games get on track is to be VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAYER!!!!!! © KAIN TEPES 2016

You have one vote, so you target one main person and force them to play enough that they become readable. Page 2 reasons are always going to be bad, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that everyone comes out of the woodwork and plays.

Hap is town
Transcend is town
TB is town
Horrordude is misguided town who doesn't understand me, but still tow

2F is scumfuck

Everyone else is null/acceptable day1 lynch at this point, who I might be convinced off 2F to lynch for a good reason - but scumteam speculation on preflips is so braindead, I already know who all the shit players I'm gonna have to carry are.

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it's definitely fair to say probably

Shall I take 5 minutes to find a game where a backup exhausted without a main role? Pretty sure I can find at least one or 2.

You can't assume full watcher with a backup. Basically you can't assume anything

If you read the entirety of my posts and not just confbias you'll see that this has been my point all along - we can't assume the truth or untruth of any kind of setup spec so early and preflip.

but hey keep being slow

Don't take out your butt hurt on me because you played bad and you and your scum buddy are going to be lynched.

I called out your bad post before I had a read on you so you can't even use conf.bias as an excuse to discredit me, So try again.

people who attack before understanding or attempting to understand look bad. I know you can agree with that cause that's basically what you said scum do. You did that. So I have to ask myself if I think you are scum doing what scum does or town doing what scum does ( which is definitely a possibility) and I was unsure. That's why I didn't have a read on you. That's why I didn't vote you and why hap called me out on it early on.

Later you finally find out why tb agreed that the claim keep looked legit and his explanation made sense. Instead of accept that, you again decided to discredit/attack him for not giving that explanation when he originally made the agreement post.

1. You didn't question anyone else who seemed to agree with the assumption the claim was legit, including the first person to say it
2. You didn't ask anyone else for their reasons why they believed it
3. You held TB to an unrealistic expectation that on page 1 he's somehow supposed to justify his reasoning unprompted by anyone.

That all adds up to suspect behavior. It's behavior I can't possibly see from town.

Yeah and I already knew all that before I began, it's just the best way to get a game moving and sort slots. I wasn't sure of TB scumread, but the best way to become sure on a read is to get someone to talk/respond a lot.

With no real content, I just made a big deal out of whatever little content there was.

This is why ur slow: im playing in step1 to get us to step10, ur brain is still on step1 more than 700 posts into the game.

Catch up pls.

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wait, tf claimed he was the most townie person? I cc

yeah, it's obviously me.

Um, I just read through almost 30 pages in one sitting. I'm

clearly

the towniest.

he thats pretty towny, did i put u on my townread list

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Oh and btw, i did ask for other reasons of people. I asked Boon why he did + eagersnake why he didnt - because i wasnt really concerned with whether someone did or not, it was about the reasons why, thats how you find scum

Are you caught up yet?

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Okay so something about TB is off here.

He says I'm not making sense but not making sense isn't really a scum trait as I understand it. In fact, scum usually try to make sense. Not that making sense is a scum trait, these two things are just not really related to alivgnment that strongly

BUT, TB votes me for it. Why? If someone doesn't make sense to you and ypu're town, what do you do? Usually, town try to understand first or if they think something is scummy they point it out. TB's motivation here doesn't seem town, it seems forced and scummy because he's trying to pin a vote on me for more than pointless RVS reasons, but hasn't really expressed anything more convincing than "that didnt make sense".

VOTE: ThinkBig

VOTE: TwoFace

Basically scumclaimed

Rb, you kept your vote on me for 406 posts and you expect us to believe that your push/vote on me was to get the game moving? That would be fine if you didn't continue pushing it when there was a shit ton of other content to comment on.

I don't buy your excuse.

No, I suspected you might be scum for a small reason and I kept it going long enough to make your slot readable by as many players as possible. Throighout you were some things that made me want to revisit.

Also it's been a very lively game and 400 posts is like 2 days, it's not that long.

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Um, I just read through almost 30 pages in one sitting. I'm

clearly

the towniest.

he thats pretty towny, did i put u on my townread list

You did, although I am still scumreading you pretty hard.

Can you please elaborate on your TF Case? The only thing that I can see that was his "scumclaim" as you put it was his post that he was obvtown. I'm failing to see the correlation.[/quote]

TF is being toxic basically as a rule, not in response to getting frustrated at other ppl - like TB is.

TF is actively TRYING to make the game as unpleasant as possible fpr others, and is trying to pull off the charming/arrogant townie act - but he's not relaxed or jovial in any form, he's just being a toxic idiot, and now making bad excuses for why he's tunneling me.

[rb]

U fucked up the quotes MAN. Off to breakfast now, cyas latoR

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Horrordude i task you with fixing the quote tags you ruined until I return

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This was not scum transcend at all.

He is so fucking obvtown and the replace out is pure frustration

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And I don't blame him either, this game has a lot of insufferable fuckwits - but I think 2F is scum, that's why.

ThinkBig is just dumb as fuck, but we can investigate him. Neighbourize me tonight.

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Transcend is trolling and throwing because ThinkBig, Boon and 2F are all being absolute fuckwits. He is not scum, but 2F likely is.

Boon could be and I soft TR thinkbig and hope he does better.

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Fuck dude

It was salvageable

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He isn't gonna flip scum he's literally screaming town you moron

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He isn't gonna flip scum he's literally screaming town you moron

If anyone is a moron, it's the person you see when you look in a mirror.

^ scum

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Give your reads before you go Transcend

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Remember RB is day 2 lynch unless we catch the 3rd

^ scum

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Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Even though TF's an insufferable moron, I'm annoyed he's dead because after Transcend's flip I didn't think scum would be THAT arrogant about having found the scumteam if they knew they were actually going to be wrong. So I was hoping he'd be alive as a strong townread.

Will have to re-read Day1 because I have no thoughts on the game right now, other than to make sure I blacklist MoronFace because this is the 3rd game I've been town with him and he's done nothing but be a moron and detract from actual scumhunting.

With him town - I want everyone to look at the other people masturbating over "we kort da skumteam guyth!!!" Because unlike MoronFace, I think that some of these people have the common sense to know that catching entire scumteams on Day1 doesn't actually happen and they're scum pushing an agenda.

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VOTE: rb

This dies today

If you're town like I think you are, stop being a fucking idiot.

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DS, please look at aronagrundy and Eddie Cain.

Pedit: its fucking amzing that people don't see that day1 lynching a 1-shot weak friendly neighbour claim is extremely idiotic, because you can let them live 1 night and they can confirm 1 townie - and if they flip scum and 'fake it' with their partner, u can catch 2 scum.

But nah, IM shore DiS IS dA SKUMTeM guYTH!!!

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I was going to shoot hapa but guess I shot 2f ah well

Ugh, I forgive you because I thought he was scum at end of Day1 as well. But during lock I realised he was likely town. Thoughts on arona?

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?

Transcend didn't lie about anything.

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Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Even though TF's an insufferable moron, I'm annoyed he's dead because after Transcend's flip I didn't think scum would be THAT arrogant about having found the scumteam if they knew they were actually going to be wrong. So I was hoping he'd be alive as a strong townread.

Will have to re-read Day1 because I have no thoughts on the game right now, other than to make sure I blacklist MoronFace because this is the 3rd game I've been town with him and he's done nothing but be a moron and detract from actual scumhunting.

With him town - I want everyone to look at the other people masturbating over "we kort da skumteam guyth!!!" Because unlike MoronFace, I think that some of these people have the common sense to know that catching entire scumteams on Day1 doesn't actually happen and they're scum pushing an agenda.

(saw the following post)

why do you think tb is town? from where I'm at he just sheeped 2f and is probably scum in heaven after lynching a really strong pr. he dudnt argue you or transcend svum ibdeoendantly much, just went with it.

I dunno, I'm thinking I might have been too involved in the arguing to read TB clearly so I'm wary of confbiasing. Can you outline why you think he's scum?

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No, he didn't CC miller. He clarified that - that was me who misunderstood what he said.

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And if someone self hammers and prays the scum team will win, I have no qualms with their lynch or their death

Boy oh boy, are you just stupid like MoronFace or are you scum?

Also, town care about lynches - even if the town player is bad, they don't want them dead.

Everyone - reads on TB please.

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And if someone self hammers and prays the scum team will win, I have no qualms with their lynch or their death

he self hammered because y'all voted a fn claim

Lmao no shit right

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DS, please look at aronagrundy and Eddie Cain.

Ok, my feelings after a quick iso reread of aronagrundy and Eddie Cain:
aronagrundy - I REALLY don't like this slot
Eddie Cain - I'm much happier with this slot but not seeing a hard town read yet

Which parts don't you like?

I have an idea, but I want to see what you come up with.

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Eddie is basically claiming vig. Why would the mafia choose to kill IAA, a slot that has posted only once?

Scum often kill people who don't interact at all because you can't learn anything from it

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eagersnake, who's your top scumread apart from TB?

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Someone talk to me about horrordude

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I actually TR him from day1 as well despite low activity but I'm worried if he's scum he's gonna slip by

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Need him to put out more content on Day2 for now he's a townread.

Need to look at who are unlikely scumteams based on interactions

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Anyway there's 3 scum and you were wrong on Transcend, as well as wrong about me ThinkBig - assuming you think I'm scum, who else on the playerlist is scum?

I don't care if you think I'm scum, but you don't get to tunnel like an idiot and ignore the rest of the game. Start scumhunting, or you'll eat rope.

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Because the longer you be a worthless distraction to the town, the less I'm going to be able to see you as town. I get that you're massively confbiased and trying hard to justify why your support of the Transcend lynch wasn't incredibly dumb (it was) but it's time to start playing the game for real.

If you don't, I don't think I'll townread you for much longer.

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eagersnake, who's your top scumread apart from TB?

why

imagine if there was like more than 1 scum i know rly surprising but it's true

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Eagersnake not wanting to talk is bad

TB also disappearing and not trying to solve the game, is bad

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-_-

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top scumreads other than ThinkBig, ta

Also TB vs. RB doesn't need to pick up. Any case TB was making, is made. He has no more ammo, and my wagon's not gonna build. He needs to start finding actual scum. So do you.

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Dear TB,

Start playing the game.

Love,
rb

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Eagersnake the longer you do pointless stuff, the less patience I have for your slot.

VOTE: eagerSnake

Wanna know what's useful? Sharing scumreads and townreads and reasoning.

Wanna know what isn't? 10 player hypothetical watcher claims.

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Actually, how the fuck would any town player be hesitant or have to ask "why?" I want you to share your other scumreads?

Do you really only have one single read in the entire game or what?

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Why would you not cooperate when you've been townreading me all game? But when I ask you to share some scumreads instead of just sharing them you ask me why?

Why, it occurs to me that we are playing a game of find-the-scum you see, and helping each other find scum is a major component of finding scum, as it were. Your lack of zeal for finding scum in lieu of "let's do something meaningless instead!!" as well as your general avoidance of providing actual reads and really trying to solve this game is, well, not scum-findy enough for me and I think you're not a scum-findy-man do much as an avoid-being-found-scum-person-dude.

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No, I asked first.

Also, finding a hypothetical watcher is not a priority. Finding scum is.

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And no, I'm not helping you turn this game into 27 pages of setup spec like Day1 was, where a bunch of people with idiocy-induced paranoia lynched the most obvious fucking townie in the game.

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More eagersnake votes thanks

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If you can't see the benefit of sharing scumreads, you're bad and I'll be talking to you more and more.

I'm the watcher, I got no result on you last night.

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Top2 scumreads after thinkbig, an explanation why you're lazily tunneling him, and reasons for those 2 other reads.

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Nice OMGUS bro.

My claim is hypothetical, now talk

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VOTE: rb

Yeah if you're town we lose

Gg

Is your brain a little addled?

Can you explain why you're so reluctant to share scumreads with someone you were townreading?

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Also, someone

please

let me know if there's any way that mafia can get 2 KP in Normal Games. It plays super heavily into how I'm thinking about the game, and I need anyone more experienced on this site to confirm this.

We have a claimed vig

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People don't understand Transcend if you think he was flailing tbh

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Oh ok, there's no way to have 2K in normal afaik

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Mafia JOAT could Hypothetically have a kill shot right

Sigh.

No because vigilante is explicitly town in normal.

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I wanna lynch arona tbh

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I wanna lynch arona tbh

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A.mafia JOAT can only have shots that are xonsidered normal.

VIGILANTE IS TOWN ONLY

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Rb r u gonna unvote me or lazily tunnel

Um, don't accuse me of being lazy when you play like...the way you play.

Your best reads are "day1 sukked so i haf no reads"

USELESS

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I wanna lynch arona tbh

Eh. I understand why she looks bad, but I think Darkshadow looks worse. Aarona doesn't look like she's trying to blend in, and there's some stuff that reads genuine in her filter. I also really don't like Darkshadow's push on that slot.

I have town meta on DS, from micro some number somewhere. His reasoning js fine actually, I don't see any issue with the posts he HAS made.

What's genuine about arona

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Micro 670

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Rb r u gonna unvote me or lazily tunnel

Um, don't accuse me of being lazy when you play like...the way you play.

Your best reads are "day1 sukked so i haf no reads"

USELESS

Lol

With experience comes caution you should know this

thats stupid

Newbies are cautious, veterans parse the game and make decisions

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in fact its more like a personality style than anything, but ive never seen people become more experienced and more cautious - the fact you have more exp + knowledge means you make decisions easier, not hsrder

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yeah I've made mistakes of townreading scum early and being pocketed the whole game so I'm being cautious not to do that

and I've made mistakes of scumreading town and making an easy ml for scum so I'm being cautious not to do that either

so that's why I'm not just throwing out reads to everyone like we're on Oprah

taking it slow.. forming a read.. then exploring that read.. then reconsidering it.. etc

okay this could be scum

ya

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Maybe I want to see what other people say?

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Lmao, eagersnake is actually trying to get us to fight again TB

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Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Do experienced players really ask this

It is the same question I was asking. I thought it was a vig shot, but our illustrious vig killed obv town TwoFace instead.

I expected to shoot you. kind of shocked I didn't. you don't get the high road here mister

Tbh if you're gonna vig people it should be lower profile people, or wait until night2/3. Shooting high profile targets N1 is a bit potato

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wats igmeoy

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OMG guys, scum is lurking

r u the real sherlock

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Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Do experienced players really ask this

It is the same question I was asking. I thought it was a vig shot, but our illustrious vig killed obv town TwoFace instead.

I expected to shoot you. kind of shocked I didn't. you don't get the high road here mister

Tbh if you're gonna vig people it should be lower profile people, or wait until night2/3. Shooting high profile targets N1 is a bit potato

especially when I probably only had one shot

its ok because 2F would probably just be deathtunneling me and making this day just as unbearable as Day1 so....meh

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like even if he was obvtown, he'd probably still be insufferably stupid about his scumreads, so....whatever

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lol aronagrundy town

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VOTE: aronagrundy

ch00-ch00

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Arona is town because...why?

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Everything arona has done so far is easily fakeable as scum, there's no town content that i see

scum always change how they play when they're with ppl who've seen thembe scum

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I wanna know why people see them as town, based on this game

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Lmao 1 minute 30 went through entire game

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What happened to being slow and cautious about reads? Dw guys arona town after 1/4 of a day1 and 1-2 mins of reading another game. Very cautious player, takes time to get reads

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Fuck you're trash. If you're town then just lmao

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No, there's a huge disconnect between what you claim to be playing like and what you axtually play like, dipshit.

The only person discrediting is you assuming I don't like townblocks, when that's fine except your reasons and explanations are pure dogshit

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No, there's a huge disconnect between what you claim to be playing like and what you axtually play like

The only person discrediting is you assuming I don't like townblocks, when that's fine except your reasons and explanations are pure dogshit

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Eagersnake boy are you slow

I attacked you for not having reads, your reasoning: you play really slow and cautious

3 hours later you have reads on the entire game and take about 1-2 minutes to form a read on a slot.

You're lying about one of these things.

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So I wanna know what sparked this sudden change in playstyle, when apparently it's much better to play cautious - and now you're handing out townreads like confetti. What's up?

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btw eager, you just read 2fs game for arona meta right?

there's a major fucking difference

in that game... wait for it... he actually voted! a lot! his iso here is a lot shorter and has far less voting/gamesolvimg. so, the very meta you cited is actually a case towards scum!arona and not town!arona, and if arona flips scum you're probably next for trying to cite b.s. meta to save a buddy

arona parked vote on me and never even considered moving it at any point, pocketing the overriding rhetoric of day1 that transcend and I were a scumteam.

that's not town engagement

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This is actually so scummy by eagersnake rn, will explain when on PC NEXT

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Anyway, it's pretty sus how eagersnake's response to my pressure is that he's a cautious slow player. That's fine since some people are like that. But then how does he suddenly do a 180 and become someone who gets a read in 1-2 minutes, a read so strong he'll actually defend it really strongly?

These two things don't add up. If eagersnake is town, he's been misleading about why he wasn't making reads. He was in fact, actually reluctant to even provide or share reads and had to basically be forced to even give a single scumread - why does a town player dance around the issue so much? Why don't they just say they don't have them, or that they are still forming them? Why is there a song and dance about it?

Then when they give the reason, why do they go and do the exact opposite of that? Then make the argument that I'm seemingly not happy with them either way, when that's not true - I'm not happy with the fact that these reads are basically just appeasing me. That's how it comes across - because why does a town player go from encouraging two people to start fighting again (lolwut), to having no reads, to suddenly having lots of reads - just because I asked? Only appears to try and meta dive someone after being pressured to do so?

It just reeks of scum trying to avoid my pressure, and disliking that they can't find a 'solution' to making me stop pressuring them. I don't see eagersnake as town here, but we'll see what others think.

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It just reeks of scum trying to avoid my pressure

yeah this is what i'm doing /sarcasm

are you serious

gonna address points or just lazily discredit?

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if that's not it, then why did you suddenly swap from expounding on how cautious you've learned to play, to suddenly being anything but cautious? Why the change?

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if that's not it, then why did you suddenly swap from expounding on how cautious you've learned to play, to suddenly being anything but cautious? Why the change?

Because you were bitching about it

So you only provide content if people "bitch about it"?

I wonder which alignment has no incentive to actually give content except to avoid attention

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I just find it weird that you do such a huge shift between no reads because you're "cautious" as your justification for not giving reads and doing stuff.

But clearly you don't have a problem doing either thing now, and you're actually not being cautious at all. So the earlier reasoning for why you were avoiding giving reads doesn't make sense. So if that's a misrep, is it that you're cautious until someone "bitches about it"?

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You were actively doing nothing other than say I was town and TB was scum, and that TB and I should continue to argue. The amount of posts you made that were game advancing were basically zero

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That's a really bad analogy

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yeah I've made mistakes of townreading scum early and being pocketed the whole game so I'm being cautious not to do that

and I've made mistakes of scumreading town and making an easy ml for scum so I'm being cautious not to do that either

so that's why I'm not just throwing out reads to everyone like we're on Oprah

taking it slow.. forming a read.. then exploring that read.. then reconsidering it.. etc

okay this could be scum

Still think so Eddie? I still see it, wb u?

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No cos u smell

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Im actually at work u smelly smell lord

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its funny tho coz i never asked u for a full reads list, i just asked you to think about 2 other scumreads apart from TB because there's 3 scum in the game.

apparently that's a lot to ask



But keep trying superhard to discredit my very reasonable requests

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Like holy fuck. How the hell do you not see that in my ISO?

I remember when I was 5 and thought the world revolved around me too

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also boon ooc why exactly are you claiming with 0 voted on you with tons of ate?

noobs gonna noob

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I'm VT I pOPcOrn ChICKEn to EvRzyzoznse

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nah i popcorn chicken to whoever reads next and hasnt claimed because wtf is this game

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no i didnt mean wtf at that

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i meant wtf is this dumbass popcorn game

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fak u

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as opposed to that very not-real post

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so i worked overnight shift and i'm actually so zonked but i read most of the stuff and it seems like the town is functioning okay

lynchpool of:

eagersnake, horrordude, eagersnake, aronagrundy, thinkbig

but i don't think we'll get to thinkbig cos ppl won't wanna do it, so let's say the first 4

and then i thhink we win gaem from there

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the first 4?

you must be tired lol

AHAHA fuck

Eagersnake, hapahazulhuli, aronagrundy and horrordude

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There's no rush though, plenty of day left

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Tbh though ThinkBig is still giving me the heebiejeebies and I would like everyone to not just dismiss us as TvT fite, but really look into it properly. Something about that lynch pool feels too easy.

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Transcend is a better town player than anyone here tbh, and it was incredibly obvious he was town. He also provided a lot of reads and thoughts, and was clearly baiting scum onto his wagon, after which point he would neighbourise someone on his wagon and by dying confirm they were scum OR he would have just had a confirmed townblock and someone to confirm he was town.

He didn't count on getting lynched Day1 after claim 1shot weak friendly neighbour and honestly...who the fuck WOULD claim that as scum? That's a pants on head stupid claim because if he doesn't die - he must have targeted town, but if no town vouch for him, he obviously lied.

It's like the worst fakeclaim scum could make, and he was oozing town frustration by halfway through D1.

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Vote Count 1.25 (FINAL)

Transcend (7):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (640), horrordude0215 (685), ThinkBig (761), hapahauli (849), Transcend (866)

rb (1):

aronagrundy (151)

TwoFace (1):

rb (472)

Eddie Cane (1):

Something_Smart (527)

hapahauli (1):

Eddie Cane (602)

Not Voting (2):

I Am Innocent, eagerSnake (764)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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I still say we never lynch off wagon here

I disagree

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I don't think all 3 scum are on that wagon. I think it's actually likely to be 1on and 2off

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One of horror/hapa are scum, then arona+eager imo. We lynch from those 4.

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I've seen scum claim friendly neighbor before.

and re: the wagon, I think we should lynch scum. don't care who was on/off; that stuff is easily manipulated and the fact that Transcend self hammered makes it even less useful

Have you seen them claim 1-shot Weak Friendly Neighbour though?

It's a very different claim because there's very low risk to letting that live as town.

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Transcend was scummy as hell. And I don't know how you, as the only full investigative role, wouldn't even be suspicious of his claiming of an investigative. I'm a limited investigative and I wanted him on a platter. Yeah, I'm totally okay with this arona lynch. Eager is protecting the hell out of her.

Weren't you the person claiming that it was an "investigative heavy game"

Like wut

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Anyway moving on from transcend because it's over. Do we agree on lynch pool of:

Hapa, horror, arona, eager$nake?

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It's pretty different but this debate is a pointless affair. Day1 lynch was one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed, the product of paranoia and confbias. There's no amount of reasoning that can un-stupid that lynch - but I'm done talking about it as of this post.

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Anyway moving on from transcend because it's over. Do we agree on lynch pool of:

Hapa

, horror, arona, rb?

FTFY

Time 2 put ur big boy pants on and stop confbiasing

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Can't figure out of having TB or 2F alive is worse.

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@ThinkBig, who's your next 3 scumreads after me, because I'm not even scum n00b

Pedit: SS do you think TB can be scum here?

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@rb - transcend better town player than anyone here. His self vote proved that, huh?

His self vote after 5 town players kept insisting he was scum despite the claim

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One of horror/hapa are scum, then arona+eager imo. We lynch from those 4.

Ur fucking scum

OMG

THIS GUY IS FUCKING SCUM AND HE'S A SCARED LITTLE SCUM AT THAT

COME AT ME VOTE: RB

Fake gusto is fake

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Now that I think about there's probably a decent chance that rb is scum because lynching <hapa, arona, eager, horror> is too easy and it's never that easy. Or Boon is scum pulling some insane gambit UGH

That's bad reasoning

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Guys can u not see how rb keeps trying to mislynch me u fucks

I wonder why I'd do that if I'm scum too, when you were townreading me for most of the game, huh.