Open 680: C9++ (Abandoned due to mod error. See new thread)

[davesaz]

I'm not away yet, that was a future V/LA notice.

I saw this post which reminded me that Ircher was complaining about the game being slow.

40 pages is a pretty healthy D1 imo. You have to have enough to make decent reads, ya know.

Wouldn't know since most of my games were either newbie or micro bastard.

It was this post Charloux. I didn't find beeboy's response forced, just facetious in a way.

I replied with a vote and this comment.

Obligatory comment that I need people to do AI stuff before I'm able to get good scumreads. That's not going to keep me from poking though, and it shouldn't keep other people from poking.

Translation: I too need some substantial activity in a game. That's not an excuse for not poking things. BTW here's a poke.

Since that point I think Ircher has been posting more. I left my vote because correct play for town is a

wagon

. I agree it's time for a review.

[FireScreamer]

So how do you feel about 118 and his approach vs me?

[davesaz]

118 is a senseless diatribe against someone who likely site flaked. From what I can tell his approach to you is straight OMGUS. Both of which indicate that my vote is probably in a good place.
I notice you have been engaging other people, which is good.

[FireScreamer]

Remember folks. If i'm asking all the questions and I am scum then I am getting to dictate the conversation. I encourage you all to ask me questions as well.

[defnotmafia]

we're all still on the excel wagon right

[FireScreamer]

Read the thread champ.

[FireScreamer]

Also that implies an approval of the excel wagon which you have previously never expressed. Explain.

[CogMachine]

I've had a really rough day, will post stuff tomorrow.

[CogMachine]

Actually I have a bit of time before dinner

Care to explain your vote cog?

Yeah. I found mafia.

This is some bullshit. He's trying to engauge in conversation and you're being a dick.

Explain why you think he's scum

Jesus Christ this is why I tunnel the fuck out of people. If you are town, act like it. If you are scum continue to be a dick. If you are town, don't be a dick

unvote

Sorry I made you mad, but these kinds of reactions are exactly what I was looking for!

Unfortunately its not very useful that it got that reaction out of *you*.

I have no idea what's going on with Ircher. It feels like a weirdly fast wagon. Not that that makes it a *bad* wagon, just weird.

Firescreamer is actually leaning town right now in my mind. Alchemist21 is smart, I like him a lot.

I think a vote on Excel is wasted, tbh, not getting the same scumvibes people were talking about.

beeboy's case against Excel strikes me as almost forced tbh.

Have to go but more stuff later.

[CogMachine]

VOTE: Unvote

EBWOP

[Ircher]

VOTE: Shannon
because why not

I don't find it scummy either

Why the sudden vote on Excel beeboy

we're all still on the excel wagon right

VOTE: defnotmafia

[shannon]

Now I feel like we're getting somewhere.

There's no real resistance to Ircher's wagon, but no one is lining up to L-1 it either. This suggests to me that Ircher is town, and either one scum is on the wagon already, or scum is worried about looking bad by L-1ing a wagon so early on. I also reckon that Ircher's vote on defnotmafia looks town, and he's right that those posts show inconsistent thinking - 104 and 229 is just

I like Umlaut's 222 on cog machine, and Firescreamer raises the same point in 231. I don't get why TownCog then unvotes Firescreamer without moving his vote someplace else. Gut feel says he knows Firescreamer looks town, he doesn't want to double-down on the vote with an OMGUS, but he doesn't know where else to vote yet because he's waiting for people to move off Ircher.

Dave's 227 reads like he's sheeping the IC a bit. I'm not scum reading him for it, yet, but it just doesn't feel sincere.

In isolation, Alchemist's 215 reads like he knows he should be on the cog wagon, but doesn't want to vote a buddy.

All in all, VOTE: Cog

[davesaz]

Can you point to a post that you think I'm sheeping from?

[FireScreamer]

Cog feels new and lynchbaity.

[FireScreamer]

Cogs vote on me was someone's first slayers gambit attempt without having the experience to actually do it usefully.

[davesaz]

The difference between a slayers gambit and a reaction test is pretty small.

[davesaz]

Where did you hear about / see that term, btw?

[FireScreamer]

Day 1 of my first newbie 1777 heavily featured one.

[FireScreamer]

I seriously don't und er stand how you join the Cog wagon after 233 unless you are trying to. Shannons case seems forced. Striking while she doesn't realize how cool the iron just got.

[shannon]

@davesaz I possibly used 'sheeping' too strongly; I have equated 'senseless diatribe' with 'the book report from ircher attacking excel definitely feels overkill'.

118 is a senseless diatribe against someone who likely site flaked. From what I can tell his approach to you is straight OMGUS. Both of which indicate that my vote is probably in a good place.
I notice you have been engaging other people, which is good.

This excel wagon feels bad. Don't really like how ircher has oversold his vote.

Sure excel made 1 post, his vote though was a good vote. The book report from ircher attacking excel definitely feels overkill

And given it's merely a pressure vote, it definitely feels weird

[shannon]

I seriously don't und er stand how you join the Cog wagon after 233 unless you are trying to. Shannons case seems forced. Striking while she doesn't realize how cool the iron just got.

I like your iron metaphor, very much. But I don't see how people town read Cog's response here. "Sorry I made you mad, but these kinds of reactions are exactly what I was looking for!Unfortunately its not very useful that it got that reaction out of *you*. " seems like ass-covering to me. It's also a pretty neat way of moving people off Excel, if he has reason to do so.

@Cog who were you trying to get a reaction from? And what did you think it was going to tell you?

Actually I have a bit of time before dinner

Care to explain your vote cog?

Yeah. I found mafia.

This is some bullshit. He's trying to engauge in conversation and you're being a dick.

Explain why you think he's scum

Jesus Christ this is why I tunnel the fuck out of people. If you are town, act like it. If you are scum continue to be a dick. If you are town, don't be a dick

unvote

Sorry I made you mad, but these kinds of reactions are exactly what I was looking for!

Unfortunately its not very useful that it got that reaction out of *you*.

I have no idea what's going on with Ircher. It feels like a weirdly fast wagon. Not that that makes it a *bad* wagon, just weird.

Firescreamer is actually leaning town right now in my mind. Alchemist21 is smart, I like him a lot.

I think a vote on Excel is wasted, tbh, not getting the same scumvibes people were talking about.

beeboy's case against Excel strikes me as almost forced tbh.

Have to go but more stuff later.

[FireScreamer]

Ill revisit this once you have a chance to question cog without me answering for him

[ThinkBig]

Mod Note

Excel has failed to pick up his prod. I am searching for a replacement now.

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