DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Commander Shepard]

Lastly, Wraith.
From what I've gathered, people have been calling him town for posts such as

I don't know. I really don't care, literally anything I do on D1 gets me killed eventually, so why bother?

so I'm here to tell you why that's bullshit.

Does it look genuine? Sure. Does genuine = town? Fuck no.
I buy that Wraith would be frustrated with being mislynched all the time and that this could make him demotivated, but there's no reason for it to bother him any less as scum.
I know this, because I've been in the same situation, and even considered writing up a post bitching about it because I figured people might townread the frustration I was channeling.

He's also using this as a substitute for meaningful content. And that's really the problem I've had with Wraith all game. He's substituting content that moves the game forward with complaining. (The post he made above is another great example of this.)
It's hugely scum-indicative because it's an easy way to say things that look game-relevant but don't mean anything.
Letting Wraith get away with that and even townreading him for it is

shameful

.

Wraith needs to die, today.

-- Postie

Wraith is town. Not happening. Join the A&C wagon.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Shepard:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I thought you were NOT that player that did not exist and is not in this game. Can't you see the irony in you arguing with me about your meta when you don't want me to use your meta in my arguments with you???

You know you can't have your π and eat it too.

~A50

I know that player's play pretty well. Since you insist on saying I am that person I am merely playing to what cards are dealt since you refuse to deal with well facts.

HEY GUYS ITS MY FIRST FUCKING HAME AND OBLY THREAD BT DONT WORRY I KNEO THE PLAYER REALLY FUCKIBG WELL.

MY FUCKING GOD JUST STOP. THE ROLEPLAY IS FINE BUT WE COULD NOT GIVE LESS A SHIT ABOUT PRETENDING YOURE NOT WHO YOU FUCKING ARE

[Wraith]

Gonna be honest, after the flurry of activity a couple days ago it really feels like the day is in the denouement stage and people on the fence are just trying to convince themselves which wagon to commit to as deadline approaches.

Read and comment on the post I made on you, please.

I did. I thought it was a fair assessment.

Wraith, what's your read on prism?

Originally townread them fairly confidently but then the lurking...it's not so confident now.

[Infinity 324]

Why is scum!prism more likely to lurk?

[Wraith]

Me watching the number of pages I'll have to re-read N1 tick up and up while the gamestate doesn't really change:

[Wraith]

Why is scum!prism more likely to lurk?

I dunno

I just don't like:

1. Lurking in general
2. Making a big splash at entry and then disappearing for a very long time
3. Promising to catch up imminently and then not delivering

[Infinity 324]

Ok, I can see how the last 2 could be scumtells.

[Almost Chara]

He's also using this as a substitute for meaningful content. And that's really the problem I've had with Wraith all game. He's substituting content that moves the game forward with complaining.

i don't really agree. despite Wraith's 'active-lurking' stance, he's still putting out content. i've liked him more as the day has continued. who's townreading him for being frustrated by being mislynched?
~Chara

[Prism]

Still not a fan of voting AC, I have to doublecheck on Wraith since I haven't paid that much attention to him when reading since the start.

Can't find the post right now but I remember Nacho asking me what I thought about his case on Wraith. The tl;dr is I thought it was hot garbage.

[Infinity 324]

Can we quickwagon prism?

[Almost Chara]

Prism, do you have a read on farside?
Infinity: i'd rather not. i like the slot and their progression on us. i do want them to comment more on what they weren't present in the thread for.

[Prism]

I see posts upset about me lurking/not catching up when promised.

Someone should review my ISO-I've been consistently behind, but only twice did I fail to immediately followup when promised. I've had repeated flurries of activity, typically on cue. Hardly constantly lurking.

Only thing I remember bothering you earlier was my post to nancy. What's changed since?

[Prism]

Prism, do you have a read on farside?
Infinity: i'd rather not. i like the slot and their progression on us. i do want them to comment more on what they weren't present in the thread for.

Replaced nancy who I had as likely town after their final response in our early debate. Skimming farside during catchup it is apparent they take more effort to read.

[Almost Chara]

well i'd like opinions when i can get them. i'm having difficulties reading her. i can't tell if her attitude is bullheadedness or not.
~Chara (last post was me as well, apologies)

[Prism]

For the people who seem to think I am likely to active lurk as scum, here's a quick link for you:

Scum PT for my first game onsite

I pretty meticulously documented exactly what I was doing and why, skip to the last posts in the PT for my thoughts on activity.

If I had all day to play mafia I would gladly sit here for all eternity. That's not even a joke nor exaggeration.

[Infinity 324]

From an objective standpoint I shouldn't have made those-as I'm confident you'll scumread them-but you'll have to excuse a bit of selfindulgence.

This continued "nacho will scumread this" posting kind of bothers me

By the way I also don't like how prism is mainly going for "objective tells" instead of trying to get into people's heads, it could be playstyle but I'm expecting a little bit more than "postie lied she's scum!!!"

Nothing else to say except that prism's case on AC is continuing to feel like a stretch, and possibly a scummy one. He seems to be picking on weird stuff that is just not AI.

This stuff also bothered me. Plus gut.

[Almost Chara]

hm. i understand what you mean by objective tells, Infinity. actually i've wanted to use that concept before to describe things but hadn't thought of a good term.
anyways, Prism: less interested in your meta and activity (activity is NAI barring specific circumstances that don't apply to you), and more on your understanding of other players. :>
~Chara

[Infinity 324]

Prism, can you talk more about the T&B read? I've continued to push scumreads that I no longer believed as town in the past to get reactions. Why wouldn't town do this in this scenario?

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: fitz

We have 3 days left and need to consolidate. Fitz is in the small pool of people I don't lean town on.

[Prism]

Hot garbage.

From an objective standpoint I shouldn't have made those-as I'm confident you'll scumread them-but you'll have to excuse a bit of selfindulgence.

This continued "nacho will scumread this" posting kind of bothers me

Directed specifically for Nacho, whose meta with me has led him to think it town. This is the most valid of the three.

By the way I also don't like how prism is mainly going for "objective tells" instead of trying to get into people's heads, it could be playstyle but I'm expecting a little bit more than "postie lied she's scum!!!"

Really? A lot of people were blasting me early on for my scumreads on AC and I believe nancy, which were

too subjective

and I've gotten more than enough flak since for my TWC read.

The only time I've done this is with Postie, and I've made it clear it's a lot more than that she lied period, but that I think an entire read change+reasoning is bullshit. My TWC read I made it clear that I was looking for something I could verbalize, not something objective, and again I've given

plenty

of subjective reads since. Original AC read, nancy, Wraith, TWC, original on you, Empking, new AC read. Several I have again gotten a ton of flak for and are not easily missable.

Nothing else to say except that prism's case on AC is continuing to feel like a stretch, and possibly a scummy one. He seems to be picking on weird stuff that is just not AI.

Not only do you not explain this,

at all

, you're making no mention of my evolution of the read whatsoever-even when it's apparent in my own ISO over time, with one of then being before this post.

Edited to fix quote thing.
Simple mess to clean up

[Prism]

Prism, can you talk more about the T&B read? I've continued to push scumreads that I no longer believed as town in the past to get reactions. Why wouldn't town do this in this scenario?

You've got to be joking if

this

is the read you want more on. I've typed it to death plenty already, and reframing the case yet again in an attempt to get you to understand is both way too much to do on my phone (as was my last post) and just keeps me from reading the rest of the game, 0 new knowledge contributed or acquired. Go ISO if you want it.

[Prism]

@Ari-I messed up the quote tags a bit, it's supposed to be three quotes from Infinity with my responses in between. Do you mind correcting this?

Edited to fix Bolding

so the mod doesn't miss it!

[Prism]

Fuck it I give up who needs bold tags anyway?

[Infinity 324]

It's possible that I'm expecting you to try to get into people's heads more given the effort you're putting in when you're here. That's more the problem, not as much objective tells. Your new AC read and your TWC read are definitely not objective, but they're vague and I don't see evidence of you considering the world where they're town vs one where they're scum.

Also:
Early nancy read-- "question that leads nowhere" seems pretty objective to me
Original AC read-- 108 pointed out posts that lead nowhere and an unexplained read change. Again, seems pretty objective.
Original read on me-- You said you liked the miller claim and liked that I was "prodding outside the observation realm". Again, seems pretty objective.

Etcetera. Most of your early game reads seemed to be based on objective tells. I'm not 100% sure this is AI, but I'm 100% sure it's there.

Gonna go into 965 more in my next post but the read progression doesn't affect my view on it at all.

[Infinity 324]

Prism, can you talk more about the T&B read? I've continued to push scumreads that I no longer believed as town in the past to get reactions. Why wouldn't town do this in this scenario?

You've got to be joking if

this

is the read you want more on. I've typed it to death plenty already, and reframing the case yet again in an attempt to get you to understand is both way too much to do on my phone (as was my last post) and just keeps me from reading the rest of the game, 0 new knowledge contributed or acquired. Go ISO if you want it.

Can you please quote where you explained exactly

why

you didn't think town would do that? I looked through your ISO and couldn't find it.