world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[The Bulge]

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

My name's being tossed all around and I dont think ive seen even one actual explanation other than "this has to be scum"

[inspectorscout]

Something is trying to come through the data stream... ID gigabyteTroubadour. The message is the following:

As for why Clumsy is scum specifically? Let's take a look.

1) Almost nil game related content in their ISO.

There is a fuckton of active lurking, a fuckton of buddying, but almost no actual game related content in their iso. I'm going to go through the entire game and pin out the parts where they actually give thoughts on other people for alignment indicative reasons. It won't take long.

I'm not liking Rautherdir so far. His posts are coming off awkwardly. Anyone played with him before?

Iso #7 and he finally gives a read on someone and it's to call them 'awkward' then immediately ask for a second opinion.

Fair. I hate earlygame.

VOTE: Mariar

No opinion on the Maria vote.

All of these responses are terrible. It's an early wagon on day 1, and it's IMMEDIATELY AtE. I think my vote is staying here today unless I'm really convinced about someone else.

Clumsy knows that Maria is known for AtE, this isn't a thing.
And 'oh my vote is staying here unless I'm really convinced'? That's a scum qualifier, through and through. And do you really think town!Clumsy declares intent to deathtunnel this early?

drealmerz7 not doing anything day 1 is NAI. I'm a bit wary of Gerry here, but MariaR stands out the most.

why?

I really really don't like this post at all. Radiant, you've played with Maria before, I have not, you said the AtE isn't alignment indicative from them? That's still screaming at me.

Proxying their opinion on Maria's reads to me. The frequency of them doing stuff like this suggests that they aren't comfortable generating their own reads.
I further read this as an attempt to gauge my willingness to get back on the wagon to determine whether they want to stay there; regardless of Maria's alignment.
Note in spite of putting this as 'alignment indicative' it's only such in the absolute loosest sense because all he does is say that Maria's scummy because of AtE.

Wtf why are you claiming this? There's no reason to do so, you're just giving scum info here. If this is true, just wtf

This is a super, super, super hard buddy tell by the way.

Wow.
VOTE: Coke and Pepsiman

Should be L-2 but I don't think anyone should care. I'm interested in the MariaR v Gerry, but we deal with this first.

That move makes Bulge town I think. I skimmed Kid's catchup, I like it but I have a bad habit of townreading catchup posts in general.

Been over this before but it's really dirty.
1) Frames the discussion to continue the Maria BS tomorrow.
2) Calls Bulge town for virtually nothing, no explanation. Gives a really qualified TR on Kid with a really weird qualifier that doesn't make much sense.

So correct me if I'm wrong here, but the progression was "We're Masons", to "We have role flavor that confirms us as town together" to "We are Lovers"? Yeah no, that backpedaling is gross.

This was never ever backpedalling: even I agreed that Cloud didn't understand his role PM. even I agreed that he was town.
It's also really telling that his explanation of the scumread on Alihydra comes AFTER the fact of the vote.

Anyone that isn't on the Pepsiman wagon: do you town read them? If so, why? If not, why aren't you voting them after fake claiming Masons?

Also I feel like half the game is missing.

Again he's framing this as 'LYNCH THEM FOR FAKE CLAIMING MASONS'. Fakeclaiming masons isn't scummy. AtEing isn't scummy. Ali was scumread for their behaviour not the claim and it's a really scummy way to dumb down the discussion and reduce it to a sound byte. It reminds me of JJD in 1875 pushing on me for 'claiming cop D1' while ignoring the complexities.

If we have a vig, can they shoot either BTD6 or Pine please? I love Pine, but they've been doing nothing in games lately, and in Darkest Dungeon where he seemed to start this, his slot was scum. Makes it hard to read him. Rauth, where are your thoughts with the game right now? Have a better vote than no lynch?

Also want to point out that he, in reaction to a vig being brought up, immediately tries to leash it onto lurkers.

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

Again trying to proxy their read out and use Math as an excuse to change their read on me.

The RC reaction seems really over the top and unwarranted. Math hasn't done anything to slight him in this game. I don't get it. -shrug-

We seem to have quite a few players that seem to not be here. I forgot some were in the game at all.


I'm reading through links right now, but I'm also cool with Maria wagon I think. Who was it that told me I was wrong with my Maria scumread Day 1? Why was that again?

Using a clearly NAI rant that was brought out by stuff outside of the game and was obviously so as an excuse to scumread us is awful.
Also feels like they're trying to tie me to Maria which feels really bad.

Hello, made myself some popcorn and am ready to play.

So I see my slot has never had a vote on them..Any reason why.

Also, I am going to do an ubiased vca...

Pine was completely MIA this game, and Day One was... a thing.

~My case on Kid will come tomorrow or something.

Looking forward to this case.

Because MariaR has a defined tell which I outed and arguments for Clumsy scum rely on a bus so then MariaR has to be scum for Clumsy in those arguments to be but MariaR Clumsy Town can be a thing.

KidAmn read is now null scumlean

I'm gonna need explanation on that Kid read.

I'm not completely seeing the Scum!RT case here. I believe MariaR has 3 or 4 on her right now.
VOTE: MariaR

Wagon on me dies, jumps on Maria with minimal explanation.

That is all. ID gigabyteTroubadour has ceased to exist.

[drealmerz7]

willing to go for MB or clumsy today based on the simple fact that giga is dead

gerry can also die, imo

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: clumsy
fiiiiiine

[KidAmn]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

[drealmerz7]

how about keeping the insults to yourself, kidamn?

you didn't even understand me yesterday and the thread got locked before I could RE-explain (or you are just scum who was misrepping me)

[MathBlade]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

[inspectorscout]

KidAmn was warned about his post right when he made it. Please don't discuss it any further unless you feel it is relevant to the game.

Also, a friendly reminder that this is a game and if you feel angry enough to personally insult anyone, please shut down your computer/phone and take a walk.

[Zachstralkita]

Get the fuck out of here guy Maria slot was obv town

[Zachstralkita]

Clumsy vote incoming probably

[The Bulge]

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

VOTE: the bulge
there is no way this isn't scum. my vote is parked here.

My name's being tossed all around and I dont think ive seen even one actual explanation other than "this has to be scum"

VOTE: clumsy
fiiiiiine

Weak

[Randomnamechange]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

that was my fault. i had some issues over the last few days and i thought i was going to be able to get on lat night for night actions but I kinda passed out last night.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

Spoilers: this slot is very likely scum with Clum. "Policy lynching" D3 with no flipped town and a fake as hell AtE. People have literally been telling you you were wrong about Maria since your very first post and you barrelled ahead and mislynched them through a goddamn doctor claim based on a meta that clearly couldn't be applied to someone who wasn't 100% in the correct mindset for the game.

I will literally only accept either a Clumsy or Mathblade wagon today and anyone suggesting something else is likely their buddy derailing the wagons.

[KidAmn]

EBWOP - above should read "no flipped scum"

[Randomnamechange]

math if you are town then chill and re evaluate. we both need to after the last two flips. town needs to consolidate here.
we should decide whether to keep pushing on the more active players (kid, dreal, math) or lurker hunt (pepto, bulge, clumsy)
we should come to agreement on this point then start hunting.

[Vecna]

VOTE: the bulge

[Vecna]

Hai

[Randomnamechange]

any thoughts on my last post vecna?

[KidAmn]

math if you are town then chill and re evaluate. we both need to after the last two flips. town needs to consolidate here.
we should decide whether to keep pushing on the more active players (kid, dreal, math) or lurker hunt (pepto, bulge, clumsy)
we should come to agreement on this point then start hunting.

I'm certainly wondering why certain players are excluded from this list.

[Vecna]

Did someone link up wuth bulge in vr?

[Randomnamechange]

math if you are town then chill and re evaluate. we both need to after the last two flips. town needs to consolidate here.
we should decide whether to keep pushing on the more active players (kid, dreal, math) or lurker hunt (pepto, bulge, clumsy)
we should come to agreement on this point then start hunting.

I'm certainly wondering why certain players are excluded from this list.

my bad, they were meant to be examples not exclusive lists, should've made it clear in the post

[drealmerz7]

it was clear to me

[gerryoat]

YO. CLUMSY IS MAFIA. THAT'S ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. VOTE THIS


VOTE: Clumsy

Anyone starting a counter wagon is getting lynched tomorrow

[gerryoat]

MARIA I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA UNVOTE I SWEARZIES