DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[havingfitz]

Ahhh memories. A total town fail lynching me for the perfect scum win. After I replaced in and had all 3 scum listed as top 3 in a pool of 4 suspects. Deep sigh.......

P.edit...referring to the TWC out of game quote of me.

[The Wood Cutters]

And I need to sleep soon and won't have much time to put into it, but please consider what I've laid out. I'll check in near EoD to see if our vote needs to move and I'm sure Gin will be in and out at places, but I don't think Fitz is scum here, I don't think there are strong reasons to lynch him anymore, I think CK would make a much better lynch. I can understand people not liking last minute dips but it's not like they never hit scum and the information and accountability arguments against it are stupid.

[Almost Chara]

If your biggest point on fitz is that he hasn't done anything to make you think he's town, then I'd suggest your vote would be better placed on CK unless you think he's done something town in which case I'd appreciate it if you pointed it out to me.

To me, CK has taken some really clear and firm stances that are hard to backtrack from.
Ex1: If fitz flips scum it clears WTC/A50/Wraith.
Ex2: Claims to be able to read certain slots like Shadowez, and then actually does push Shadowez and links him with fitz even.

Now let's assume CK is scum and -thus- already knows alignments, and let's assume fitz flips Town. Ex1 would be null and would make sense coming from Scum as it actually clears no one still, but he is as guilty of pushing the -mislynch- of fitz as everyone else. He will also have to explain his SR on Shadowez in light of the new info. But he did state he can read Shadowez regardless, so a flip on that read would be bad and pursuing it would be ignoring the new info. I can only deduce CK is convinced fitz will flip Scum, and so is Shadowez (i.e. regardless of the pair's true alignments, CK genuinely believes them to be scum).

~A50

[The Wood Cutters]

Mod Notes:

A two day extension has been granted per request and added to the counter. If this still seems insufficient, let me know. A lot can happen in 2 days though!

Also, Happy Scumday Infinity!!!

[havingfitz]

A.C., TB, Cloud team?

As TWC mentioned...I don't think they (TWC) go to the massive posting effort they have if scum. Especially to save town me which they would know was town. Too much effort for the return imo to be trying to change my read on them. So TWC moves to town.

TB can take their place with lazy let's get this over with push on me.

[drealmerz7]

As TWC mentioned...I don't think they (TWC) go to the massive posting effort they have if scum.

certainly not true - this is definitely something nacho would do as scum and I even see mastina+gin going "hey, nacho, can you step up your game a bit and contribute more things because we're starting to get SR by more ppls" and then nacho comes in and does as he has been

[havingfitz]

certainly not true

I'm not saying it's fact...I'm saying it's my opinion. True or not isn't an option. If I'm wrong this game it will hopefully better inform my future opinion.

[drealmerz7]

I'm telling you if you are going to generalize "nacho doesn't do this as scum", that you're wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant? if you mean "you don't see nacho doing it in this game", then why would he not do it in this game if he does it in other games?

[The Wood Cutters]

Dreal, you realize that I killed Nachos scum read on Fitz right?

The narrative that mastina and I are somehow panicking and ask Nacho to post more(?) is false.

Mastina isn't even here and the final nail that Fitz said he town read us for is me explaining to Shepard how AC and I as scum doesn't make sense. The post wasn't even directed at Fitz.

Last night and the entirety of this morning have been a collaborative effort but Nacho and I and what's really concerning me is how you don't make a correlation to Camns Revenge where Nacho and I got together and spent a long night figuring shit out.

[drealmerz7]

Dreal, you realize that I killed Nachos scum read on Fitz right?

relevance?

[The Wood Cutters]

Also, if you're saying Nacho does do something as scum then I whole heartedly believe that means you have a game reference in mind where Nacho does this.

P-Edit: You're stating that "I asked a Nacho for help" when the reality is I had to coax Nacho into agreeing with me.

Your statement assumes that I had no idea what to do and Nacho plays hero and says we don't lynch Fitz and push Fitz.

[CloudKicker]

Im here

[havingfitz]

I'm telling you if you are going to generalize "nacho doesn't do this as scum", that you're wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant? if you mean "you don't see nacho doing it in this game", then why would he not do it in this game if he does it in other games?

I'm not saying it specific to Nacho. I'm saying it as a general opinion. Substitute TWC with player X and my opinion is the same.

[CloudKicker]

I gave my read on fitz yesterday, I see healthy sorting attempts that don't seem nefarious

I can't say he's a TR (I don't hand out TRs like they're freecandy like the rest of most of you do) , but I have almost no scumpings there and don't like the wagon composition at all

believe me, the claim sucks and commuter 9/10 times is a scumrole, but it's not enough to counter the rest of the nullish read on him

9/10 a scum role?

Look at the wiki, it's labeled as a pro-town role given that the player actually leaves and can't perform actions, ergo kills. Doing the research the history also matches up but that doesn't matter because fake claim blah blah blah, his character circumnavigated the world by ship blah blah traveling equals commuting blah blah it fucking fits. blah blah


ALSO

With 3 days only and 4 wagon we should really just stop the vanity stuff and really try to at least work on 2 of those wagons

This is cute given:

VC 1.17

HavingFitz

(6): The Wood Cutters 806, Almost Chara 819, Wraith 905, Infinity 324 1343, Tea and Biscuits 1385, Shaddowez 1422

Almost Chara

(5): Drealmerz 238, Empking 1036, Commander Shepard 1209, HavingFitz 1373, Prism 1451

Shaddowez

(1): CloudKicker 1263

The Wood Cutters

(1): Farside22 1363

Not Voting

(0): Nobody!!!

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day one ends Wednesday, April 12th at 6pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-04-12 18:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Prodding Almost Chara
However, all prod timers will reset in the new dayphase.

You have this little tid bit. Cloud Starts out by saying we have to stop vanity voting and dicking around but when we have two wagons, with one at L-1, he votes on Shaddow which is a clear as day vanity wagon with no potential

I got busy irl i didnt wven have time to develop my shadow case

[drealmerz7]

Substitute TWC with player X and my opinion is the same.

I don't see how that makes any sense

[The Wood Cutters]

I got busy irl i didnt wven have time to develop my shadow case

When was shaddowez a wagon before you voted?
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[shaddowez]

CK

- If you're claiming to be able to read me, and deduced that I was scum based on what I had already posted, why was there need to "develop" a case on me?

[shaddowez]

I got busy irl i didnt wven have time to develop my shadow case

When was shaddowez a wagon before you voted?
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Why would that actually matter? Every wagon is going to have a first vote.

[CloudKicker]

I got busy irl i didnt wven have time to develop my shadow case

When was shaddowez a wagon before you voted?
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Not a wagon, hence me not having time to develop ma case to get tracktion on my read

[CloudKicker]

CK

- If you're claiming to be able to read me, and deduced that I was scum based on what I had already posted, why was there need to "develop" a case on me?

I can lunch scum alone

[The Wood Cutters]

but if it didn't exist, and you stated we should only focus on the 4 existing wagons and MAINLY THE TWO WAGONS OF FITZ AND AC; that doesn't line up for you to push Shaddowez, at all.

[shaddowez]

Mmm, I love lunching scum. Breakfasting them is better though

[The Wood Cutters]

Mmm, I love lunching scum. Breakfasting them is better though

BRYNCH

[shaddowez]

Mmm, I love lunching scum. Breakfasting them is better though

BRYNCH

Don't think this interaction isn't going into my sig after the game ends

[CloudKicker]

As for twc who accused me of lurking, i never lurk and thats regardless of alignement, ive been at school since 8h, fitz who keep calling twc is a scumclaim it itself