Mini 1901 - over

[Firebringer]

Fire/Drealmerz7 are probably scumpartners who planned this before the game to be honest

Fire's scum guys. =]

Your not going to get a reaction from me friendo.

[Firebringer]

If your scum, you want to piss me off so I vote with you.
If your town, you want to piss me off so I am obv town.

You get neither =]

[farside22]

Can we not have the mini temper tantrums.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not having a temper tantrum whatsoever and dragging the game into drama is exactly how he dealt with me when he was scum the last two times.

[Firebringer]

I am not trying to drag you into drama. I just know you are forcing a false dichotomy of that dreal has to be the lynch.
I don't agree with you buddy.

Sorry to tell you that.

[Firebringer]

RC, want to work with me today, and ill be much more open to working with you tomorrow?
I am not going to lynch dreal today.

I think thats bad, but I want to move forward with the game.

[farside22]

The hubby didn't give up the computer to me so you get my phone post that will probably look bad.

What bugs me with Pere is first the weak reason to wagon hop.

Whoa, 4 pages in and already name-fighting.

Just going to vote the biggest wagon.....

Vote: WhemeStar

Totally hilarious to me that the first post I found scummy was his (80).

I don't recall Pere ever trying to find a reason to vote someone, especially the bigger post which reads more like a mountain out of a mole hill.

And I'm completely putting rc/dreal on ignore.

I might be willing to lynch both of them.

Are you town this game?

Whoa, 4 pages in and already name-fighting.

Just going to vote the biggest wagon.....

Vote: WhemeStar

Totally hilarious to me that the first post I found scummy was his (80).

One offhanded comment with no contribution

I voted.
I voted Wheme.
You're pissed about that.
That's awesome.

Literally just votes the biggest wagon and says it

Yes.
Literally.

Calls a post scummy without saying why

Questions dreal, but sheeps his vote, but still says fire might be scum. Built a fence just to have a place to sit.

And I'm completely putting rc/dreal on ignore.

I might be willing to lynch both of them.

Are you town this game?

And I'm proud I used post preview to make sure the quotes came out ok.

Anyways peregrine isn't a confident type player when it comes to scum hunting.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay that's fine Pere is probably still scum but Fire dies firs.t

[WhemeStar]

No guy I'm voting does

[Toogeloo]

I'd probably support a Fire lynch. He's definitely antagonizing and yet being highly defensive at the same time.

[Firebringer]

I'd probably support a Fire lynch. He's definitely antagonizing and yet being highly defensive at the same time.

What? How?

[Tywin Lannister]

I'd agree with the PeregrinV assessments that people like farside brought up (they're town too), but I'm inherently suspicious of any large D1 wagons. They're usually wrong.

Thing is... RC unvoting an L1 player they call scum means something important. If PeregrinV flips town, it means RC wanted off the wagon to not get shit for the inevitable 'scum pushed PeregrinV' argument. That's a given, and he knows that him unvoting gives the excuse to say 'not me, I unvoted him, you all are the real scum!' There's also the chance that if PeregrinV flips scum, RC was his buddy hoping to derail his fake early bus (which he'd do for TCred, but not to actually have the lynch go through today). He'd use the info down the line to say he was the first to call PeregrinV scum, even though he didn't push it through to the lynch.

Both options lead me to look at RC as possible scum here. Toogeloo is also an option, and both of these players hoping to push FB is just fake. FB isn't causing drama and that's obvious. These are manufactured reads/narratives that aren't actually true. FB isn't scum here folks. Not in my opinion.

So I'm okay with flipping PeregrinV to get a better read on RC, but the optimal play is actually to flip RC himself. There's enough connections and vote patterns to deduce multiple things from his flip, and frankly, I think he will flip scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck no

[Firebringer]

why not just flipping PV?

[Tywin Lannister]

fuck no

Fuck no you're not scum, or fuck no you'd not do what I laid out as scum? I mean, if nobody called that out, it's a very good move for scum you to make regardless of PeregrinV's alignment. We both know you'd do something like that if you thought you'd get away with it.

What really made me suspicious was the move onto FB and then toogeloo hoping to join it. It looks fake. Dread looked fake too, but I wrote it off as an ego clash. This isn't that anymore, and you've moved to three people now whom you've called sure scum, but unvoted the one whose about to be lynched. Why? If he's sure scum, why aren't you still on his wagon? It's the one with a good chance of going through.

I think the reasons are obvious. You're scum and hoping to either get off a town mislynch while the getting's good (while knowing town will still lynch the slot without you), or he's your scum buddy whom you and toogeloo hope to derail his lynch now that it's a little too close to comfort.

That's how I see it. What are the town reasons for you leaving a sure lynch of someone you call sure scum? Why would you ever move off a sure SRs wagon when it's L1 if you are town? Simple answer is you wouldn't. Ever.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's how I see it. What are the town reasons for you leaving a sure lynch of someone you call sure scum? Why would you ever move off a sure SRs wagon when it's L1 if you are town? Simple answer is you wouldn't. Ever.

I have done this so many times that it's hardly worth discussing

[Tywin Lannister]

That's how I see it. What are the town reasons for you leaving a sure lynch of someone you call sure scum? Why would you ever move off a sure SRs wagon when it's L1 if you are town? Simple answer is you wouldn't. Ever.

I have done this so many times that it's hardly worth discussing

Aka you won't discuss it, because there's no answer. No town would EVER move off an L1 wagon they thought was sure scum, while still calling them sure scum, to vote someone with no chance of being lynched. No townie would do that unless they had doubts about their SR, and you doubled down.

If town, then try explaining it to me. Otherwise, you're now my top SR. The logic behind it is way too strong to not see this is completely unlike anything town would do.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't need to provide examples of something that literally every player with any history playing with me can tell you I do.

[alban]

I also think Toog is town.

Tywin and alban are the only ones really pinging me in this game.

So, now we are bussing?

I have no substantial reads on anyone for justifying my suspicion, so all I can go by right now is the tone and the way people have framed their posts.

Would like to hear your current reads and the source of them.

Tywin is my top suspect.

I am more bugged by alban this game than Tywin.
VOTE: Alban

Questions for Alban:
What do you think about Tywin as of this moment?
What do you think of Wheme x Toog?
What do you think of RC x Dreal?

Fuck off.
If I am scum, what good will my answers be to you? Why will I give you answers to further your clarity on all the players you have mentioned?
I am annoyed that you would not even present your case. Instead you have convicted me and now asking questions. tbh, this is scummy.

alban case is a distraction

Rich, coming from you

Alban seems more focus on those attacking him then scum hunting.

Correct. But there could be a scum in there as well.

[Edosurist]

I swear I'm alive. Wednesdays through Fridays are not conducive to playing mafia for a little while.

@RC I've got playing history with you and I cannot confirm that you do that.

[Firebringer]

Fuck off.
If I am scum, what good will my answers be to you? Why will I give you answers to further your clarity on all the players you have mentioned?
I am annoyed that you would not even present your case. Instead you have convicted me and now asking questions. tbh, this is scummy.

What..........

I asked you questions and you countered me with questions.
What good is your questions if you think my post is scummy? (Wow I turned that around on you!)

I am not sold on you being scum, that is why I asked those questions.

[alban]

That was rhetorical. I wasn't expecting any answers. So, you didn't turn around anything.
Before I answer your questions, I wanna know your points for voting me.

[farside22]

RC, want to work with me today, and ill be much more open to working with you tomorrow?
I am not going to lynch dreal today.

I think thats bad, but I want to move forward with the game.

I endorse this product and/or service.

I'd agree with the PeregrinV assessments that people like farside brought up (they're town too), but I'm inherently suspicious of any large D1 wagons. They're usually wrong.

Thing is... RC unvoting an L1 player they call scum means something important. If PeregrinV flips town, it means RC wanted off the wagon to not get shit for the inevitable 'scum pushed PeregrinV' argument. That's a given, and he knows that him unvoting gives the excuse to say 'not me, I unvoted him, you all are the real scum!' There's also the chance that if PeregrinV flips scum, RC was his buddy hoping to derail his fake early bus (which he'd do for TCred, but not to actually have the lynch go through today). He'd use the info down the line to say he was the first to call PeregrinV scum, even though he didn't push it through to the lynch.

Both options lead me to look at RC as possible scum here. Toogeloo is also an option, and both of these players hoping to push FB is just fake. FB isn't causing drama and that's obvious. These are manufactured reads/narratives that aren't actually true. FB isn't scum here folks. Not in my opinion.

So I'm okay with flipping PeregrinV to get a better read on RC, but the optimal play is actually to flip RC himself. There's enough connections and vote patterns to deduce multiple things from his flip, and frankly, I think he will flip scum.

Well hello Mr. Fearmonger.
How are you with you woven tale and theory?
Welcome to being scum read.

[vonflare]

Vote Count:

PerigreneV

(4) - Dunnstral, Toogeloo, Firebringer, farside22

WhemeStar

(2) - Tywin Lannister, PeregrineV

Alban

(1) - horrordude0215,

Toogeloo

(1) - WhemeStar

RadiantCowBells

(1) - drealmerz7

Tywinn Lannister

(1) - alban

firebringer

(1) - RadiantCowbells

Not Voting:

Edosurist
Elena Fisher

with 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

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Gain the following action:
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Day ends in (expired on 2017-04-22 16:00:00).

[Tywin Lannister]

Hello farside. I take it you're new around here. Let me catch you up to speed. My 'fear mongering' as you call me speaking what scum do and why is almost always correct. Literally, my reads are usually right. because instead of being useless and saying 'their tone that I can't hear in written words sounds off when I read it in my head' or 'this is a scummy post, because idk wtf I'm talking about' or 'I'm so lost, let's just sheep the largest wagon that's clearly not on scum because scum don't bus D1.' See, I actually know how to play.

RC is scum, and farside ignoring my post to call it fear mongering is also a scum tactic. That's called discrediting the player rather than addressing the post or anything in it. Farside, did you just see what I did? I EXPLAINED why I now SR you. You say fear mongering as if that means absolutely anything in this game. Wtf is fear mongering when the point is to catch scum? Scum do things constantly, and it's not difficult to see what those things are if you have any experience playing.

Let me walk you through this, since I think you're still just bad town: explain why you said fear mongering, explain what was scummy about anything I said, and explain why you dislike me going after RC here? This is obvious to me. Him unvoting someone he calls scum is NEVER a town move. Never. Ever. It's so far outside of being town, that only scum would defend it. Watch and see.

As for you RC: you're deflecting. Stop. Answer my questions. I don't care what you do in other games. I care about this one. It means you're scum, and I will get you lynched for it, even if I have to drag plenty of clueless town with me into the mud to do it. Ive given you multiple chances to answer my question, which is a VERY simple one, but you've refused. It's plain as day that you aren't town.

VOTE: RadiamCowbells