[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

Noodle is up next.

What?

Reading thread would be helpful?

[nancy]

Tassology.

[nancy]

Noodle are those actual fotos of you that you posted?

[nancy]

Because if so then everything about you makes sense.

[nancy]

I wonder if Ari is gonna come play.

pedit rude why?

[nancy]

Oh nvm they're from a videogame.

It's not self-explanatory?

I mean I thought you just some teenager but if you were actually middle-aged it would explain a lot.

[nancy]

Ari Noodle refused to cooperate (surprise) so you're next on guessing my reads!

[nancy]

Because I think your attitude is most like that of a teenager?

[nancy]

There are a lot of teenagers on MS!

[nancy]

It was self-explanatory. Let's move on.

[nancy]

HOW THE FUCK IS ASLAN DEFINITELY OH MY FUCKING GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS SHIT

[nancy]

definitely town

I
am
gonna
die

[nancy]

Dude you are just in love with Loopdan there is no other conclusion. Your romantic feelings are clouding your judgement.

[nancy]

This is literally the most baffling game I have ever hard carried.

[nancy]

Tes you can guess my reads now!!

[nancy]

I've been scumreading Chronicle/Ari for most of the game. But after you tracked him, I find it unlikely that he suspected nancy for being doc,

while

assuming he'd be the next target for your track at the same time, thus doing a nokill gambit. It just sounds way more likely that scum believed nancy's BP claim and went for your kill.

I'm still pretty dead set on WhyMafia.

I also feel like TesXX could be scum (But you ppl keep saying he's probs town? Care to explain/link?)

WHAT THE FUCK YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SCUMREADING CHRONICLE EVER

[nancy]

VOTE: Noodle

Vindication.

[nancy]

I am not moving my vote ever.

[nancy]

Unlike tessology, my word actually makes sense.

[nancy]

No.

pedit tassology, was a typo, fortune telling from tea-leaves.

[nancy]

Ftr no one guessed my reads right but that's okay.

[nancy]

Aslan came closest I think?

[nancy]

I wonder if Ari is gonna come play.

pedit rude why?

Of course!! Long work day and some shitty weather meant I got here late!
How are you nancy?

I am wonderful!!!! Also I just nabbed the last scum which makes me even happier! I'm glad you could be here for the victory lap!!
How are you?

tbh ari's scumgame is probably better then mine.

<3
I don't know that this is true, but I'll take the compliment![/quote]
Am not familiar with your scumgame but Aslan is not quite aware of how good their scumgame is. It's good.

[nancy]

Now, when you say "caught up," what do you mean exactly? Because I'm not reading 100 pages upon replacement! I wouldn't do that in any game!

Why would you replace in to a game you had no intention of reading?

Reading is irrelevant. The last time I replaced into a game and didn't read I nailed 2/3 scum in the 5 hours that were left before deadline so I /really/ don't think it it is necessary.

[nancy]

tbh ari's scumgame is probably better then mine.

<3
I don't know that this is true, but I'll take the compliment!

Am not familiar with your scumgame but Aslan is not quite aware of how good their scumgame is. It's good.

Edit.

@nancy

don't worry, I will post what I think your realist is, unless you want aristo to do it first.

I don't mind which of you does it first. Go for it!

[nancy]

Sheep me please.

[nancy]

[nancy]

Sheep me please.

I'll do that soon, don't worry

nancy, how on earth do you have over 800 posts in this game?!?!?

That's impressive shit!

I hard carried the fuck out of this game to make up for Civ mafia.

[nancy]

So that's a hard townre-no, she thinks that person is a scumfu-no, that's a locktown- no, obvscumread...

Trying to find nancy's reads

I can actually go back over each of those that confuses you later if you like, after everyone's guessed.

[nancy]

Uf I need to shower IRL. Smelly armpits x.x

[nancy]

Ari is one classy boy.

/me comforts TesXX.

[nancy]

In our spare time, Ari and I mull over lesbian-centric reinterpretations of literature in antiquity. We've yet to get to Horace.

[nancy]

Lysistrata was my favorite, fwiw. But that should go without saying.

[nancy]

Well, he isn't a lesbian, if that's what you're wondering

[nancy]

YES THESMOPHORIAZUSAE HOW COULD I FORGET!!!! Weeee

Fear not, Aristophanes, the gods will forgive you for your minor typographical trangression.

[nancy]

Tes I am going to go take a long, warm shower. When I get back I want to see my readslist waiting for me!

[nancy]

How'd I do nancy?

You did beautifully!

[nancy]

Tes I am going to go take a long, warm shower. When I get back I want to see my readslist waiting for me!

confTown

BlackVoid, nancy

Town

Aristophanes
StealthyNoodle

Townish

DA BEST PLAYA

TesXX

This is the area where I forgot nancy's reads on someone

WhyMafia

Scumlean

Srceenplay
Alisae

It's likely that I made mistakes with this, but I'm tired right now and will reread tomorrow.

---

Thank you for your cooperation

• -TesXX, head of the illuminati

<3

[nancy]

I forgot about easy shit like my slot being more likely to be clear too.

What're you referring to?

[nancy]

None of you got it right but that's okay!

Spoiler:

{Srceenplay, WhyMafia}
{Tes}
{}
{Aristophanes}
{Aslan, Noodle}

[nancy]

Aristophanes the gamestate is this:

I am claimed Doctor. Void is claimed Tracker. Town is in virtual autowin, and yet final scum refuses to give up for reasons unknown, so we're forced to go about it the slow way.

[nancy]

Spoiler:

nancy read list

BV
nancy
Chronicle
SN
Srceenplay
Alisea
Tess
Whymafia

TRs

nancy
BV
Noodle
Srceen
Chronicle
WhyMafia
TesXX
Me

SRs

BlackVoid
Noodle, Aslan
Tes
Loopdan, Chron
Srceenplay and myself

confTown

BlackVoid, nancy

Town

Aristophanes
StealthyNoodle

Townish

TesXX

This is the area where I forgot nancy's reads on someone

WhyMafia

Scumlean

Srceenplay
Alisae

nancy's reads:

Town
nancy
BlackVoid
Ari
WhyMafia
TesXX
Screenplay
Alisae
Noodle
Scum

Fixed (a bit)

[nancy]

That was fun!

[nancy]

Damn! My first list was way closer!
I should have stayed with it!

Woohoo! Virtual Autowin!
We'll get there easily enough

I hope you replaced into a Town slot

[nancy]

None of you got it right but that's okay! {Srceenplay, WhyMafia}
{Tes}
{}
{Aristophanes}
{Aslan, Noodle}

Just to be perfectly clear, the top is the scummiest and bottom is the towniest, right? If so, we're pretty much on the same page.

Do you think I am votelocked on my townread?

[nancy]

WhyMafia is Town because 2141 and 2494, Srceenplay is Town because 2371. Tes is Town because he ignored Pine's request to stop the Tracker claim. Ari is possibly scum Chronicle flipped his reads momentarily and tried to push a CW with Drixx in 902. Aslan may be scum because he's given up and town!Aslan doesn't replace into nancy's last game at near autowin and give up. Noodle is scum because his reads are fake, his push on Pine looks like a blatant bus and is the only actual scumhunting he's done all game and because Drixx's push on him looks like bussed!scum distancing.

[nancy]

2595 is town!Aslan.

[nancy]

Like, nancy is town. You're town. I'm also town.

Why aren't we working together to solve the game?

Feel like I already did. No one cares.

[nancy]

2142*

[nancy]

Putting Srceenplay at L-1 and saying he's fine with a lynch on himself seems disingenuous. Why even suggest that when your top suspect is at L-1?

He's a weird kid, who knows. But why would scum!WhyMafia say that? I like the emotion in his ISO and that post is representative.

[nancy]

I spilled milk on my keyboard this morning and now my ↑ key is broken

[nancy]

@nancy, I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion on whether you think I've been trying to work with you and whether the post that Aslan made accurately reflects the gamestate.

I think you've been trying to work with me, I don't think Town has been working together overall at this point. I don't think the newbies really know what to do at this point, and I don't think Srceenplay has the drive to do anything. I was hoping that Ari would come in and talk about things, but he's wandered off, which is a scumtell for him. Aslan doesn't make the posts he's making right now as scum.

[nancy]

Like, let's also add you ruined a great fucking moment of syncronization where me and nancy MUTUALLY agreed to role swap to try to bait a night kill to give you a night to actually clear someone.

And I'm talking OUT OF MY FUCKING ASS WHEN I AM TRYING TO ENCOURAGE TEAMWORK.

Yea that was sadface

[nancy]

If you honestly believe teaching newbies to fake-claim is a good idea, then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye here.

I think teaching newbies how to fakeclaim is a terrific idea, personally.

[nancy]

Aslan I am townreading you.

[nancy]

I would like to lynch Noodle for reasons already stated. Do either of you have any reason to townread him?

[nancy]

{Aslan, BlackVoid, nancy} is now a friendly friendly masonry where we talk about things like friends being friendly.

[nancy]

Pine also came out hard buddying me so I think that may be an indicator that he was aware that he needed to play outside standard meta.

[nancy]

Noodle was also not bussed so anything Pine did if Noodle is scum was only distancing.

[nancy]

scum!Srceenplay does not make any sense to me. WhyMafia is only scum in any meaningful way to me by his reaction to that early wagon and Pine associatives which are entirely fakeable by Pine. I would not be surprised if Tes flipped scum by the way that he has not scumhunted, does not appear to have any genuine reads (certainly no scumreads), and has tried to widen the lynchpool, but the earnest way that he responded to me asking for a readslist gave me townvibes. I want those to be my Towns for today.

If Ari continues to lurk like a scum!Ari then I would be willing to lynch there. Otherwise I cannot see a town!Noodle world.

[nancy]

Well, he hasn't had any real chance to get engaged yet. I love that he's in this game and there's no way I'm lynching him today unless I'm completely fucking positive that he replaced into a scumslot.

[nancy]

kerrigan.mp3

[nancy]

As far as StealthyNoodle is concerned, I like 650 and I think he describes Pine's wall fairly accurately and I could see it coming from the perspective of a townie unimpressed with the IC who went after him. I also very much like 654 and 659. I'm a little weirded out by the soft PR claim in 721 and I don't see why a newbie playing his first game would assume he won't get lynched. @StealthyNoodle, if you have experience playing mafia on any other sites, I'd like to see it to compare. Drixx's 723 is a pretty strong indicator towards Noodle-town though. It almost seems like Drixx is trying to figure out if Noodle is the Doc or the BP because of his "I won't get lynched" soft-claim and is planning to put him at L-1 to find out which it is. He hides it under the guise of saying that Noodle is showing "bravado." Unless Drixx is deviously good at manipulating fake-interactions, this as good as locks StealthyNoodle as town. I find 737 to be fairly understandable and he seems to think that nancy was scum for jumping onto the Pine push which explains his switching over from Pine to nancy.

I think that it's extremely easy for scum to be accurate, especially in reference to scum, and not a good reason to townread someone. I like 659 and it's the only post in his ISO that I think I genuinely like. But why do you like it? And why do you like 654? Drixx is good at manipulating fake interactions. Why does that not look just as much like scum being hesitant to bus? 737 is mostly misrep and ignorance and the use of "salty" stands out to me as awkward.

[nancy]

Ftr I waited to make an issue of the soft at the time because I wanted to see how specifically Drixx but also others treated it and at the time I was also leaning towards interpreting 723 as Drixx being unsure of how to treat the soft but I do think that it is ulimately NAI. You're also not looking at 708 which also occurred after the softs?

[nancy]

Nvm that was pre-soft. Soft was 721.

[nancy]

727 is what I was thinking of.

[nancy]

The fact that the only time Noodle has actually scumhunted or done anything all game came on a out-of-the-blue push on Pine which he quickly abandoned and never really followed up is not something I want to overlook.

[nancy]

Okay, I'll read everything and respond once I get home tonight. I dont know what softclaim is, and the wiki says nothing about it. Sorry for not participating all yesterday.

Do you honestly believe this is not 100% fake? This slot has been acting like an arrogant know-it-all the entire game and when he falls under serious suspicion for this suddenly takes on an innocent puppy act and says he doesn't know what's going on?

[nancy]

That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town.

Allright, thanks for explaining. I'm on board.
VOTE: Drixx

This is where he re-votes Drixx after abandoning the push. It's pure bullshit.

[nancy]

I think a new town player would expect an experienced IC to correctly read him as town and when the IC makes a long post calling him scum, the "this is bullshit" reaction is a natural one to have. I don't discount a scum-Noodle distancing from his partner at all. But I think the arguments he uses would be slightly different, perhaps focusing on specific reasons and details rather than the blanket "he's not seeing me as town so he's scum." StealthyNoodle's reaction betrayed an expectation that the IC would understand his viewpoints; something he would approach completely differently as scum. I think a newbie scum suggesting to his partner that he's experienced, he should be better than this and he should be seeing my viewpoints is an odd angle to take. But a completely natural way for a newbie town to critically evaluate the IC's posting whose alignment he doesn't know. I think you are letting the fact that 737 is an attack against you color your views a bit. From a third-person standpoint, it looks genuine to me. If Drixx was hesitant to bus, he'd have a wider pool of suspects. But he pretty much locked in to StealthyNoodle from the moment he replaced in which tells me that IF Stealthy is his partner, he has no qualms about bussing. I just felt that Drixx trying to find an excuse to out Noodle's potential PR fit better.

I think you're trying to find town!Noodle and finding it where it isn't. He hadn't tried to engage with Pine really at all as far as I recall. He just comes out of the woodworks with a case on Pine - and the slot was totally fucking inactive.

[nancy]

Actually it wasn't out of the blue. Here's the chain of events: 1. Noodle opens the game by voting you. 2. Pine wanting to buddy you takes advantage of this, hard-townreads you and throws a bunch of shade on Noodle in his long wall. 3. Noodle has a "wtf, the IC is scum!" reaction to it and pushes back hard against Pine.

He pushed then voted Pine like 250 posts after the wall. He only pushes /after/ Pine goes MIA. I don't think that's a wtf reaction.

[nancy]

The second is that I think Drixx laying down and eating the lynch suggests that his partner is non-obvious.

Except that if Noodle is scum he wasn't laying down at all? And Noodle is kind of non-obvious considering most of us were ruling him out due to Pine voting him?

[nancy]

I think the correct play here is to just reread the thread and look at every person who voted Pineslot and how they used that vote.

[nancy]

Like a game just ended where I nailed a universal townread as scum in one post because they voted Pine in an effectual way.

[nancy]

Like a game just ended where I nailed a universal townread as scum in one post because they voted Pine in an ineffectual way.

(In which Pine was scum.)

[nancy]

^ Edit.

[nancy]

Goodnight Aslan <3

[nancy]

aaah. okay.

Well. it doesn't really matter. it's mostly irrelevant to my reads.

Persivul brings up a rather good point.

Unvote

VOTE: Pine

He hadn't mentioned Pine at all up to that point in the game. He did nothing with the vote and later unvoted to vote somewhere else.

[nancy]

Pine died Night 1 and we found both the other scum that game almost purely off associatives despite the fact that Pine faked a post restriction and did barely anything at all.

[nancy]

^ Aslan was 1-shot Vigi and shot him, btw. Credit all around.

[nancy]

In any case, my thoughts:

Noodle is scum. Just ... no ifs ands or buts. Certain things only come from a scum mindset and setting someone up to be lynched if a certain condition is met, and that condition can easily be met by the scum team making a choice ... that just doesn't come from town.

Presuming scum!Noodle, I think Loopdan makes the most sense to be his partner.

I don't like some of the posts by Srceenplay but I can't say whether it's scummy or just I don't like the posts, lol.

Tell me why Drixx is still pushing this in twilight?

[nancy]

On the other hand Noodle's prewritten post at daystart about me being scum doesn't really make sense from a scum thinking his kill is going through POV but entirely makes sense from a town!Noodle thinking nancy is fakeclaiming POV. Like he had to have expected a Doc save there to have that shit ready unless he was just really thinking on his toes.

[nancy]

Eh unless he went for the NK gambit in the hope of framing me. That would make sense too especially with his complete non-reaction to Drixx's trolling and saying that I was scum with Drixx.

[nancy]

I guess that would more or less line up with how he was treating the NK, claim and Tracker results in general.

It's still disgustingly suboptimal though and a completely shit plan if I've ever heard one. Don't think even Noodle would manage to misplay that badly.

[nancy]

However I would very much like to know where Noodle prewrote that post if not the scum PT.

[nancy]

Yes I have no idea why you or anyone was ever townreading the shit of an ISO that is Loopdan's, so I am glad to hear that.

[nancy]

The post came 4 minutes after daystart. It was prewritten.

[nancy]

He didn't mention it anywhere, no.

[nancy]

Like, if scum!Noodle believes that town!Loopdan is the real doctor not fakeclaiming, and I've just called Noodle conf!scum at EoD, I could see a NK gambit there to try to win a mislynch also avoid a track. That 100% lines up with how Noodle kept saying "where is Loopdan" early in the Day.

[nancy]

Like, if scum!Noodle believes that town!Loopdan is the real doctor not counterclaiming, and I've just called Noodle conf!scum at EoD, I could see a NK gambit there to try to win a mislynch also avoid a track. That 100% lines up with how Noodle kept saying "where is Loopdan" early in the Day.

Edit.

[nancy]

Anyone else being killed would suggest scum!nancy, but as long as doc doesn't claim, she's out of the question.

Then again he /did/ argue this. So if that's his thought process, he had to have expected the track and hence no kill outside Tracker.

[nancy]

BlackVoid you need to work on your formatting my friend.

[nancy]

Re-interpreting Loopdan's ISO with knowledge of his scum meta, I still like his push for the BP-claim. I'm not really sure why he'd vote Pine in 275. This was before Pine's massive wall. I don't like 285 where he seemed to imply that he voted Pine for multipurpose reasons. 367 feels like the sort of thing I'd say as scum. I really don't like 487. From my limited experience with Loopdan, the amount of detail and waffling in that post feels uncharacteristic for him. I also think it's weird that he didn't notice Pine buddying nancy in his big wall and just seems to focus on them as a pair. It should be exceedingly obvious to someone as intuitive as Loopdan that Pine's wallpost pointed heavily to Pine-scum, nancy-town.

I'm not fully sure I understand or agree with his 528. It seems fairly arbitrary to me. His 536 was weird too. I could see that WhyMafia post coming from either alignment but Loopdan seems rather sure that it was a scum post. I don't understand or agree with anything at all that he said in 572. I have similar problems with his 662 that I do with most of his other posts. For someone who had great success getting forcing people who know each other to provide reads on each other, I think him missing Pine's buddying of nancy in his wallpost is still a concern and I think Loopdan should have picked up on that.

686 could go either way. It makes a decent amount of sense as town but could also be an excuse for him to vote WhyMafia over his partner Pine if he was scum. After saying that he would vote WhyMafia, Pine, or nancy, it's interesting that after Pine is replaced, he switches from WhyMafia to nancy. I don't like 815 because I don't understand why nancy "secretly scumreading" Pine is so unbelievable to him. I saw that nancy-post as a strong towntell and from my past experience with Loopdan, I've tended to agree with the things he found townish/scummy.

Loopdan's argument in 821 feels like a complete misinterpretation of nancy's post. nancy meant to say that you can't dance with a scum if they don't think you are townreading them but made a typo. That was obvious to me. I'm not sure what to make of Loopdan missing that. Either conf-biased town or scum just pushing the read that's convenient to him and finding any possible reason to push it through. 827 is a bad post because he's trying to potentially get confirmed town mislynched. He did the same thing in his first scumgame. Then he unvotes nancy, sees the Drixx wagon the following day and commits to voting.

The next day he puts down a vote. 1090 gave me weird gut-pings and while 1118's "blame the victim" posting could come from egoistic town, it's somewhat more likely to come from scum who are trying to justify their pushes by calling the person who was lynched/had to claim scummy. It might as well be Loopdan/Alisae's slot that I could be misreading all along.

Agree with everything and I am glad that we finally see eye to eye wrt to Loopdan's ISO.

[nancy]

I think if someone bussed Pine, it's gotta be Loopdan because his vote was the one that didn't cause Pine to be lynched when he otherwise wouldn't be. Loopdan spent a lot of time having Pine in his null to scum reads but mostly pushed you and WhyMafia as his primary pushes. The Drixx vote only came after I replaced in and the lynch was set in stone. It's not like someone else would have been lynched and Loopdan's vote swayed the lynch. I also think Loopdan burned most of his credibility pushing you and vaguely tying you to Pine that when you claimed, he didn't have much of a choice but to bus.

/me has been trying to bonk this into you for a while now!!!

[nancy]

Yeah, that was a ridiculously long paragraph. I'm usually better at formatting.

I made it better hehehehe

[nancy]

I've been scumreading the fuck out of Loopdan all game but I'm townreading Aslan over the past 2-3 pages.

[nancy]

Like I thoroughly dislike Aslan buddying me but that isn't strictly a scumtell and I don't see the scum motivation in trying to get you and I to be more cohesive.

[nancy]

Like why would scum!Aslan try and get you to talk me about why I'm scumreading him and say that I have a good read on him and you should listen to me?

[nancy]

Kind of amusing tbh how the same sequence that's caused you to scumread Loopdan after townreading the slot all game has caused me to townread Aslan after scumreading the slot all game

[nancy]

Like I don't get the feeling that Aslan has any real conviction about scumreads here which isn't Town indicative at all but I am struggling to see why scum!Aslan would make those posts and how he would fake that emotionality so well.

[nancy]

You feel me?

[nancy]

I really want to get in sync with you here because while I think although we clearly have completely scumhunting styles I think we could jive pretty well if we get the chance and have the time on our hands for it as is pretty apparent by any time we actually get together and talk about things.

[nancy]

I really want to get in sync with you here because while I think we clearly have completely scumhunting styles I think we could jive pretty well if we get the chance and have the time on our hands for it as is pretty apparent by any time we actually get together and talk about things.

Edit.

[nancy]

Yea I was going to suggest that may be a possibility but I wondered if you might mention it first (wrt to manufacturing strife).

2647 I think is par for the course for town!Aslan though. He is pretty adamant about buddying not being a scumtell and cops flak for it a fair bit so the sensitivity is there and I think that honestly goes for either alignment. Tbf he did ask you whether it felt fake to you, which is working with you no?

[nancy]

What I'm actually moreso side-eyeing about the past few pages from Aslan is his follow on Noodle.

[nancy]

It's not the quickness from Aslan that matters - he changes votes quickly and at a whim and sheeps townreads pretty consistently, it's the way that he goes about it. What I didn't like about the follow was how he followed and also pushed it as if it had suddenly occured to him too. That just doesn't look like how he usually sheeps as Town.

My last quibble with Noodle at this point is where the fuck did that prewritten post come from.

I didn't like Aslan's case on WhyMafia but mainly because I feel like that slot has not been townie at all except on a gut level that I've been having and I don't really find the reasons for Aslan's reads to be salient.

I'd encourage you to see if you can't do a bit of meta on WM. I picked WM/Pine on like page 8 or so because of their interactions but it just feels so utterly blatant that I really question whether it's real.

pedit did you see me fakeclaim VT though? Go look at his posting history btw and compare with when Night 1 started.

[nancy]

My last quibble with Noodle at this point is where the fuck did that prewritten post come from.

I mean, obviously that's not my last quibble, but I need that quibble resolved before I can continue sorting the slot.

[nancy]

If you read into Loopdan's posts for most of the game, it's pretty apparent he was barely reading thread beyond the first few pages or so. I don't think it's entirely likely he'd have put much thought into my claim or a NK.

[nancy]

Yeah I've read Tes' meta already. I think I read everyone's meta here pretty thoroughly

[nancy]

Part of the reason I was townreading him is the difference in tone. Here, even when he was talking about the setup, he came across as aggressive and confident. In his scumgame, he seemed really limp and hesitant. That's one reason I started townreading him and kept it up throughout. Wanted to make a note of it. Curious if you agree with my assessment.

Tentatively agree, yes. I also think that he hasn't really been pressured all game so I don't know how accurate that is. The only time he's really been pressured was by me early game he kinda flailed hard.

[nancy]

Why would he be randomly asking people whether they don't think Pine is mafia? Seems like an informed read where he already know Pine is mafia.

1133

[nancy]

Don't get too Down about it! It may be a Up key battle, but I'm sure you can find away around it! Maybe in an ancient Scroll?

[nancy]

I was pretty sure nancy was the doctor when she claimed bulletproof.

Please link to posts indicating that you did indeed think this at the time.

[nancy]

My point was that saying that someone is TRing another person for incorrect reasons is not something that you say when you don't know their alignment.

[nancy]

Ohhhhhhhhh. He didn't use quote tags.

Fuck yeah. Tes is locktown.

[nancy]

TES IS MOTHERFUCKING LOCKTOWN PEOPLE.

[nancy]

Void we did it.

[nancy]

Ari what are your thoughts on Noodle?

[nancy]

Src didn't actually say that though. He was quoting Pine without using the quote tag. Here's the original:

TRing TesXX for very incorrect reasons (obsession with setup rather than reads is scummy, not Towny).

I actually had Tes as locktown at one point for this and obviously completely forgot about it. God, I really ought to keep notes.

[nancy]

Void how much longer do you have?

[nancy]

I'd like to summarize my issues with each slot and have you do yours and we go over as much as we can while we have this uninterrupted time together.

[nancy]

You agree that Tes is locktown?

[nancy]

Pine forcing that slot into his scumreads while perspective slipping knowledge of alignment, feels conclusive to me.

[nancy]

I need to revisit that exchange with Srceenplay....

[nancy]

Seeing as Drixx hasn't been hammered makes me feel more comfortable being scum.

Pedit
I'm not in a dead thread.

Thoughts on this post Void?

[nancy]

Noodle
- all scumhunting outside Pine seems to be exaggerating NAI shit as scum!indicative
- prewritten post at daystart
- total lack of cooperation and belligerence all game
- plastic read on Chronicle
- hard defended WM Day 1 then flipped his read on him (see first point)

May be forgetting stuff? That is off the top of my head.


WhyMafia
- response to being wagoned has been largely anti-town
- pushed CWs when Drixx was being lynched


Srceenplay
- scumhunting has felt totally vacant
- has basically sheeped all game
- hasn't followed through on contributing today
- survivalism / opportunism hasn't done any favors
- votes Pine early Day 1 as first interaction, does nothing with vote, doesn't interact with Pine further except asking blandly for a readslist


Ari
- Chronicle's Pine associatives are gross
- lurking??


Aslan
- lots of stuff I don't think we need to talk about this further atm

[nancy]

Like, I've talked about most of these in-depth at various points and can go back and grab quotes and such for you as needed, lmk.

[nancy]

Mmmm also for Noodle was that PR softing shit.

[nancy]

Well those are the things I'm wanting to try and resolve with you, if you have any particular feelings about them we can run over them like we've done with Aslan.

[nancy]

But then again, I felt like Drixx thought he was softing too and was trying to out it.

That wasn't my take. Why would Drixx want to out it? He'd just back quietly off and take the shot that Night. The way I was looking at it he was reading the room either unsure of whether pushing it to L-1 for a claim would look bad or whether he'd be able to strongarm the lynch, or he was hesitating on bussing.

[nancy]

Noodle claimed not BP, I doubt he'd have thought anything else.

[nancy]

Idk I get the same feeling from it as you. Drixx treating Noodle as Town.

[nancy]

I'm going to sleep within the hour btw.

[nancy]

I believe Srceenplay and I am going to treat him as locktown along with Tes going forward.

Pending hearing back from Tes, I think slots that make sense as scum by the lack of a night kill are {Ari, Aslan, WhyMafia}.

[nancy]

It's the exact opposite? He's been acting like this several times now. "Lynch me, I don't care". If he was town, he'd likely realize we're not in autowin, and not "give up" that easily.
Thanks for kind words though, WhyMafia.

We're fairly close to it. Plus I kinda lost motivation for this game, I made way too many mistakes and Idk how to rectify them at this point in the game.

Lol you claiming scum dude?

[nancy]

It's the exact opposite? He's been acting like this several times now. "Lynch me, I don't care". If he was town, he'd likely realize we're not in autowin, and not "give up" that easily.
Thanks for kind words though, WhyMafia.

We're fairly close to it. Plus I kinda lost motivation for this game, I made way too many mistakes and Idk how to rectify them at this point in the game.

Scum claim

Lmao ikr

[nancy]

If I was scum I would have forfeited. All I am saying is that my extremely bad play d1 kinda turned me off

But if you're Town then you lose nothing by continuing to try and play and improve and help Town. The only way this makes sense is if you are scum and want to avoid doing things to incriminate yourself. Your play was not extremely bad Day 1. In fact it was not bad at all unless you are scum.

[nancy]

Huehuehuehuehuehue

[nancy]

Am hoping to reach 1000 before we end the Day.

[nancy]

Activity is not a scum tell in a vacuum, no. When a player's scum meta involves lurking, it is a scum tell.

[nancy]

I'd feel really horrible if Ari replaced into a scumslot :////

[nancy]

Activity is not a scum tell in a vacuum, no. When a player's scum meta involves lurking, it is a scum tell.

I ate a banana once when I played as serial killer.
I'm eating a banana right now.
This confirms me as serial killer.

In Ari's case this would be:
Ari always eats bananas when he is a serial killer and only when he is a serial killer - or just extremely, extremely hungry.
Ari is eating a banana right now.
Therefore he is either extremely, extremely hungry right now (exceptional case) or he is a serial killer.

[nancy]

Activity is not a scum tell in a vacuum, no. When a player's scum meta involves lurking, it is a scum tell.

there are a billion reasons a player is or isn't active.

Aristophanes could be busy, on vacation, having Wi-Fi problems, etc.

Yup (exceptional case).

[nancy]

I was certain Drixx was about to turn town (considering his post-hammer posts)

Also starting to suspect Drixx nancy as scumteam. You've soley been acting as his lawyer, making sure it looks like you didn't want him out for forced reasons.

You assume Drixx is town based on me attacking you. Oh the stupidity.

I've been scumreading Chronicle/Ari for most of the game.

my hero

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

I'd say Chron is out of the question.

I don't trust Chronicle.

He reads more town than scum. I just don't see why he's locktown(if that's even the right term).

Chronicle is dope, but I don't see a whole bunch of reasons to trust him enough for a autowin.

In bjc's case, you copied Chronicle's defense, and pretty much made it your own.

For now Chronicle looks townish to me.

I rather wish I spent time today doing actual scumreads, than useless reads on a pretty much locked town.

I've already stated that he looks largely townish, with the exception of a few scum reads. Now, the NK + track, obviously seals that.

lolololol

[nancy]

I believe I already made a post saying that

purposely

lurking doesn't give benefits to scum.

Sorry, you are 100% wrong

[nancy]

You could also wait for Aristophanes to get replaced instead of lynching him over an actual scumread of yours.

Ari is not getting replaced....

[nancy]

Yes but I don't trust myself. Most of what you guys say is well developed, analytical, and makes sense to me. I'm trying to find stuff that none of you have seen, but most of the major posts that I have opinions on would literally be parroting one of the other players. I'm just frustrated .. sorry for my semi-inactivity

Yeah, I get that. I'm sorry you feel frustrated. It can still be helpful to see which points you agree with though. Even if you think Void and I have already said everything, you surely don't agree with all of it completely? Saying which stuff you agree with and which stuff you don't agree with helps us sort you and also potentially helps us see any flaws in our work. Teamwork is great. Don't be shy!

Can you explain "anti-town?"

Well, you have pro-scum, pro-town, and anti-town. Pro-scum is behavior that furthers scum win-con, pro-town behavior is stuff that directly furthers Town win-con, anti-town is behavior that doesn't directly further Town win-con. Saying "lynch me" is anti-town because you getting mislynched does nothing to directly benefit Town win-con, you should be doing everything you can to fight your lynch because you are confirmed as Town to yourself whereas no one else is (except Void and I in this game). Anti-town behavior is typically selfish behavior. Pro-town behavior is typically making yourself obvtown via working with others to scumhunt and gamesolve. So the difference is mostly that anti-town focuses on you individually ("I'm sick of this game, lynch me"), pro-town focuses on the Town win-con overall ("You're not lynching scum, here is why and here is where I think the scum are"). (Brackets are responses to being wagoned, the way you were Day 1 where you let off a bunch of anti-town AtE.)

[nancy]

Ok expect a mega post from me this weekend. I have a lot of projects for school + finals, so hopefully I'll have time to make it. Don't hammer till then

Awesome, looking forward to it! I'll make sure no one hammers.

[nancy]

No one is at L-1. Be calm.

[nancy]

Off the top of my head..

StealthyNoodle

: nancy, Aslan

Srceenplay

: WhyMafia

WhyMafia

: Srceenplay

Not voting: BlackVoid, TesXX, Aristophanes

[nancy]

Honestly, I got home from work and passed out for, like, 3 hours today.
Feeling good now though!

Ouchies! :/

[nancy]

yeah ik but BV is being a meanie ;~;

He's just scumhunting bae.

[nancy]

I feel like 1062 is a good example of why WhyMafia is Town because he's clearly feeling like he should have someone in his townleans and yet doesn't even though there's no reason at all why he couldn't have Chronicle for instance in his townleans, like if he were scum inventing reads that readslist doesn't really make sense.

[nancy]

Doesnt read as a scumclaim to me, just demotivated. It happens to all alignments at times.

Yea I was kidding around.

[nancy]

Nah but he's Srceenplay.

[nancy]

[nancy]

This bugs me more than it should...

Say more?

[nancy]

It's clearly meant to push his agenda and to make his push the prominent one of the day.

Poor guy just didn't foresee me hardclaiming Hufflepuff

[nancy]

Pues claro que sí y estoy de acuerdo con todo lo que has dicho hombre.

[nancy]

Ari I like the way you think I want to hear moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooore!!!!

[nancy]

Oh dear lord you sound like me.

[nancy]

?

You do some things that are a little ? sometimes.

[nancy]

[nancy]

Oh I did meta on Srceenplay.

VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

I at least feel happy that I didn't screw up the readslist thing.

[nancy]

Ari and Aslan you are growing very sleepy when you read this and when I snap my fingers you will vote Srceenplay

*snap*

[nancy]

Uh I've been playing all day to set us up for a guaranteed LyLo win and at a certain point it became obvious that lynching Noodle was necessary to achieve that but this is now optimal.

I didn't know you had a Noodle read?

[nancy]

Also, do you ever sleep!?

Yes but when I do look like this, aka playing this game:

[nancy]

Mini my love could you provide us with a VC for this wagon of glory?

[nancy]

Ari I have a secret to tell you but I can't tell you yet but I will soon.

[nancy]

I also like it when people try to guess my secrets if you haven't realized that already so you can try and guess it if you like.

[nancy]

I also get sad when people don't try and guess it

[nancy]

[nancy]

@Ari yes!

there's no reason at all why he couldn't have Chronicle for instance in his townleans

He was scumreading chronicle.

Uh Chronicle was "unsure"?

[nancy]

Ari if you guess this right you win the grand prize okay?

[nancy]

And like, I've never given the grand prize away before, ever, so that's pretty special!

[nancy]

He was scumreading Noodle too.

[nancy]

Close guess! But not quite!!

[nancy]

♥

[nancy]

Tes what are your feelings about this wagon?

[nancy]

Close guess! But not quite!!

Damn.
No grand prize then I guess!

Oh but you have multiple guesses lol.

[nancy]

UNVOTE:

[nancy]

Tes I command you to sheep me for the rest of the game.

Will you obey? Y/N

[nancy]

>:[

WHY NOT?

[nancy]

I AM A CUTE PANDA AND MUST BE SHEEPED

[nancy]

What wagon? WM wagon? That I'd be fine with.

The wagon you're on lol, that was just at L-1 before I unvoted.

[nancy]

Tes what if I told you I was actually Tracker and had a guilty result.

[nancy]

>:[

WHY NOT?

AtE = Appeal to Emotions.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations

Feel free to use the above link as a reference if you encounter an abbreviation you don't know. If you haven't already read the wiki pages Pine linked to in his IC post, I'd highly recommend that, when you feel you can process it.

That isn't a reason not to sheep me.

[nancy]

You'd be wrong.

Let's say I am Tracker and have a guilty result and it isn't WhyMafia.

Now will you sheep me?

[nancy]

BlackVoid is the Doctor.

[nancy]

No I am telling you to imagine that I am Tracker and have a guilty result. In this scenario BlackVoid is the Doctor.

So you should sheep me.

[nancy]

Alright, that works. I have a guilty report.

[nancy]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[nancy]

Pile on boys and girls, the Doctor has a guilty result and is ready to end the game now.

Sorry Ari, I didn't want you to replace into a scumslot

[nancy]

[nancy]

[nancy]

Pine is gorgeous to play with as Town.

[nancy]

^ Hero.

[nancy]

This has been one of my favorite games on site tbh.

[nancy]

<3 Pine

/me has a guilty result on his scumbud.