Open 680.1 C9++ | Endgame

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VC 1.9

Official Vote Count

CommKnight

(4): Green Crayons, Umlaut, FireScreamer, RoryMK

Titus

(2): Brian Skies, davesaz

FireScreamer

(2): FrankJaeger, CommKnight

FrankJaeger

(1): shannon

Umlaut

(1): Narna

shannon

(1): Titus

Not Voting

(2): Alchemist21, Necta

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

Mod Note

Gamma Emerald replaces Necta. Please welcome him!

[davesaz]

- I've made a list of 2 people I won't lynch today due to probability (TODAY ONLY).
- I've TR'd two people.
- The other 8 people I'm up for lynching if there's a good case on them.

Had you previously stated the "today only" aspect of your probability thing?
Have you said who the TR's are?
Do you have any actual SR's yourself?

Are you aware of what the probability thing says to an observer who is outside the 3 people who get a free pass and the people you're directly arguing with?

Pedit: Yay, replacement!

[Gamma Emerald]

I say we lynch out of Frank, Alch, Me, and Frank's Wifey. That's a decent scumpool.

Who is Frank's wife?

[RoryMK]

Rorys posts look disingenuous.

Is there a reason you still haven't moved your RVS vote if you think that's true?

Do you have any other reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Instead of 100, can we just do 10 and lynch Umlaut?

Why? Lol sleepy no read

Because I'm worn out after hitting nearly 100 during the practice game. Let's make D1 shorter this go around. I'm willing to compromise at 50 pages.

Why Umlaut? Because I'm voting him, that's why.

The directness here feels towny, like he's saying "I'm lazy and you'll deal with it".

[Gamma Emerald]

I say we lynch out of Frank, Alch, Me, and Frank's Wifey. That's a decent scumpool.

Who is Frank's wife?

I'm guessing shannon

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, why'd Titus have to jump in front of my shannon vote?

I very obviously telegraphed it.

It's coming. Just you wait.

What. Is. This? Me no like this post.

[Green Crayons]

@Titus:

Vca gives me info about players in relation to each other. I see a bunch of white letters on black paper.

Move to strike as non-responsive.

My question was why you don't just vote for any preexisting bandwagon, if you're just looking for a flip to do your VCA and you think all D1 cases are bad, instead of keeping your vote on a target who is not being voted by anyone else when your basis for voting that target is "lol D1"?

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@dave:

Are you stating that you don't understand what the insinuation is, or that you don't know whether there is an insinuation?

Either you think one or both of us is handing out townreads too freely, you think one of us may be trying to buddy the other, or you just really like Pulp Fiction and wanted to post that video.

If there is an insinuation I don't like the vague eye-rolling expression of it because it's just shade and doesn't actually help improve your reads or advance a point.

Well you got the correct message so my method of communication appears to be a success

Several potential messages were mentioned.

Yup.

[Gamma Emerald]

On a serious note. VOTE: FireScreamer.

His play feels off from last game.

{FrankJaeger, Brian Skies, Narna}
{Alchemist, Green Crayons}
{davesaz, Titus, shannon, RoryMK, Necta}
{Umlaut, FireScreamer}

If FireScreamer is red, I'm willing to bet Shannon is too.

VOTE: shannon

Is anyone allowed to ask why or are you wanting to engage Shannon herself?

Also, the likelyhood of mafia last game being mafia this game will actually probably be unlikely. So I'm pretty confident in the team being green this time around. But TB definitely rolled some of our bloc from last game as red this one. I'm willing to bet on it being FS of all people.

This is Gambler's Fallacy, and the part about one of the block being scum is against the rules (mod influence)

[Gamma Emerald]

@GC, if you're paranoid about being buddied. Look at Umlaut's question to you about a Narna and me duo. Like legit. He's trying to get on your good side. Also for being the math guy, he's not even looking at the numbers for this. Just sucking up to you to mislynch D1. I'm a betting man and I will bet in odds when they are favourable to catching scum even if they act townie. They can never hide from probability.

Dude seems to be loading his message here. Ew.

[Umlaut]

Are you stating that you don't understand what the insinuation is, or that you don't know whether there is an insinuation?

Either you think one or both of us is handing out townreads too freely, you think one of us may be trying to buddy the other, or you just really like Pulp Fiction and wanted to post that video.

If there is an insinuation I don't like the vague eye-rolling expression of it because it's just shade and doesn't actually help improve your reads or advance a point.

Well you got the correct message so my method of communication appears to be a success

Several potential messages were mentioned.

Yup.

Are you just being opaque for fun now?

@Gamma

Just don't start the gambler's fallacy argument again. I'll join in and everyone will be sorry.

[Umlaut]

"Franks wifey" is Frank's new IRL fiancée.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes, and the ratio between them is 30:9, or 10:3.

Extrapolating this, I feel CommKnight's math is a massive circle jerk, since it all totals 19:3 essentially, which is the initial proposed ratio of town to scum in his math.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which for anyone who likes probability.... 23 times at a 1/2 chance... is 1/8,388,608. (Assuming I predict heads/tails from the start and go right through before the initial flip). While I had a 1/2 chance every time the coin was flipped... the overall probability of being right every single time...

To this, I think you're not getting that you're ruining your own argument here. We don't care about who was what in both games. We care about THIS game.

[Umlaut]

Are you trying to buddy me with numbers? Because it's working.

[Gamma Emerald]

If this is town vs town and you tunnel me down scum will just hop on the side that is making sense. That isn't your side.

I'm not scumreading this but WHAT???

[Brian Skies]

It's not punishable to just say 'I would never do this as scum.'

What FS is saying is that he cannot be scum here because he did something only a town him would do

These are literally saying the same thing. "never scum" = "only town".

No, they aren't.

Are you really going to nitpick over me explaining what a trust tell is?

Are you really going to pretend that criticizing another player's non-bannable attempt to clear themselves with the specter of a ban in the game thread itself, itself of taking the issue up with the mod via PM, is not suspicious?

Why would it be suspicious?

I have no idea if he has a trust tell and the mods looked into it anyway.

Also, you cherry picked my statements without taking the context into account. I can understand if I just worded the explanation poorly and you just want me to rephrase, but I don't think that's what you want here. Also, why do you care about me explaining what a trust tell is? Why do you think it's even alignment indicative?

[davesaz]

I interpret 340 as being "bringing up implied accusations of trust tells at all in the thread is scummy". I don't necessarily agree with that, just how I'm reading it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh by the way, I'm pretty sure I live my day to day life without ever benefiting from math.

Why do kids even need to take algebra again? lol that's what phones are for.

You use basic algebra every time you calculate sales tax, store sales, coupons, or compare products.

[Umlaut]

Gamma, that was a troll post aimed at me.

[davesaz]

@GC : Your "yup" is not helpful. I view giving someone multiple vague messages and then saying they received it without saying what it was you think they received as potentially manipulative. Do you have an investigative purpose in doing this?

[davesaz]

@GE, have you seen Titus this quiet as town before? If not join the wagon?

[Alchemist21]

I say we lynch out of Frank, Alch, Me, and Frank's Wifey. That's a decent scumpool.

Who is Frank's wife?

I'm guessing shannon

I ship it. Now we all have to come up with our OTP for this game.

[Alchemist21]

Rorys posts look disingenuous.

Kinda agree with this. Hard to say if he's just like this on early D1 though.

Rorys posts look disingenuous.

Is there a reason you still haven't moved your RVS vote if you think that's true?

Do you have any other reads?

It also feels like he tried to turn it around on Frank here.

VOTE: Rory

[ThinkBig]

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