Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Dunnstral]

Gigabond?

pregame eddie and i basically were like transcend-or-bust but maybe we can do one of those things were you two duke it out to try to court me something

~giggles

ok...

also fire lemme help you sort heartless:




theyre townie

now help me sort dunn because im pretty sure he decided to fuck w me this game and im not letting myself get hardpocketted by his bsassbullshit

i suppose you could say i'm DONEstral

What? I didn't even do anything and giga is acting like I've been annoying them

Oh

I see what this is

Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are

i want to vote u for this but im pretty sure ur more likely to fuck with me as town so uh




donestral

ok, I'm town here. Still didn't actually do anything though
My reaction in the quote feels justified because I'm pretty sure Giga would jump at the chance to bond with me actually

is big penguin gork...?

i cant figure out spanish snack

if big penguin is gork talk to me about why he's town

really don't know where gork comes from when bella and titus have penguin avatars but giga goes off on this
this probably isn't important

I'm going to deconstruct my wagon now.
- Titus is basically naked. cool, cool. town!Eddie usually builds wagons as fast as possible out of rvs so this gets a pass for now.

Really?
And is this ever addressed

Shut up about stats

are you scum?

Same thing as Titus where this game became the twilight zone and nobody wants to work with me/hold a conversation with me
This isn't how giga usually acts.

@eddiebyet

- how is Aelita's response to dunn's push "obvtown"?

i like how she spat in dunn's face

I really need to shower because I smell, but I also want to stay tuned. Do we have an ETA on this post of epic proportions and can we have some lift music?

idk like an hour - i basically just posted in the hydra pt "hold on im gonna write a wall" and we've been bouncing some stuff of each other just now (we're probably voting dunn btw but mcmenno's a candidate too)

okay im here

normally i like to spam post but i want to kind of slow down a bit so i figured writing a wall would help me stew my thoughts a bit - eddie's been looking through it as i wrote it (basically just hit submit early a few times so he can see where my head's at)

i kinda ended up skimming the whole thread and my walls in general are kind of incoherent so if something needs to be cleared up just hmu

so dunn and me.

Oh

I see what this is

Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are

How to plant an announce of paranoia. Like, Like your thing on Aelita/Yume but this seems fake to me dude. How well can you usually read Giga?

I think I forgot to answer this

I'm pretty much always right and have really good reads on Giga (usually in the form of a hard tr)




That comes off as arrogant but it's kind of true if you check meta

dunn theres something interesting about the fact that you say this about me and yet are scumreading me here :///

the one time you've read me wrong was bee movie mafia where i used basically the same opening strategy on you on gork so like

i really dont like the fact you're not putting the pieces together here to figure out what i'm doing or at least prodding me??

for clarification, a few games i tend to open up with emptily pushing on something thats kind of scummy on a superficial level while posturing with skull emoticons in order to force attention onto myself - examples include newbie 1769 where i tunneled on TB for starting an rqs with kinda meh questions and bee movie mafia where i tunneled dunn for calling an obviously pre-planned vote forced.

like gork's entrance was basically like that as were his reactions

and like the great thing about this is that the votecount i got out of it is pretty awesome

Spoiler: vc

EddieByte (7): Transcend, Gorkington, Titus, Fro99er, Randomidget, Mcmenno, Bellaphant
Gorkington (2): EddieByte, Dunnstral
Shiqf (1): Alisae
Titus (1): Firebringer
Dunnstral (1): Aelita
Alisae (1): Heartless
Transcend (0):
Fro99er (0):
Heartless (0):
Firebringer (0):
ThinkBig (0):
Mcmenno (0):
Randomidget (0):
Aelita (0):
jjh927 (0):
Bellaphant (0):

Not Voting: ThinkBig, jjh927, Shiqf

like at its peak besides trans most of the people here are unfamiliar with me or at least have a history of being bad at reading me (titus) which i think speaks volumes about the wagon and also means i wont have to sort through meta (most people are terrible at reading me via meta) and i got to analyze completely naked reads on me so

bella's and frogs reads are pretty transparently town - bella's stuff is kind of nai and inaccurate (when was i pushing dunn? i said i didnt want him to be able to hardpocket me yeah but that means i townread him at the time. dunn mentioned the smiley thing which is true) but the way it's presented reads genuinely so i don't think that specific part of it is alignment indicative.

for fro99er 353 was actually kind of my mindset at the time (it's hard to posture a read when you're not sure about it ) and i think making that connection is like the kind of observation town makes. also his read on bella's legit so i'm sheeping that part of it (the multi-dimensional aspect of the read) and the rest of his iso is strong

gork i'm now townreading because i don't think the wagon on me forms the way it did if i'm pushing on scum - like i dont think it makes sense for the shittier votes to be chainsaws considering how little momentum the wagon had. i don't think lynching our slot helps scum!gork that much and if scum invited that sort of heat onto gork with my townflip it's just counterproductive. discrediting or letting shit play out is easier and probably better in the long run. as for his actual posts i'm kind of meh on them but i'm fine enough with my own wagon's progression to not deal with him.

i'll be frank and say i have no clue what titus is doing (nor do i ever) but she scumreads dunn so she gets a pass i guess

mcmenno's vote isnt even about me which i guess is fine but i have no clue how 284 is even a scumclaim so uh....... plus the rest of his posting is kind of just lazy posturing that doesn't really strike me as trying to fish for a reaction (which is the only town motive i could really come up with)

random's vote i'm lost on and would like some explanation at some point or another but i want to focus on my scumreads

so basically i think most of the scumteam was shitting around during my wagon - you know who fits that criteria the best?

fucking dunn

like ok i already talked about how he's fucking with me but i never know how to read it

from what i've actually experienced in completed games he's only ever deliberately gotten on my nerves as town - the one time he rolled scum vs. me he did like absolutely nothing. this is why i wanted to talk to fire about him but .

but like if he's going to go around and push gork with me, then scumread me when he has the meta knowledge to not do that - it feels like he's trying to play both sides of the equation. if he's scum he probably thought he could try to hardbuddy me like he does as town but then once i started getting heat he realized that'd look weird as hell after my flip. plus like the potshots he took at me calling heartless and aelita town were kind of dumb especially considering he didn't bother to answer me asking why. it's like he expects me to be townreading him and instinctively sheep him like i usually do when i'm pocketed?

VOTE: dunn

tl;dr

: seems like he's simultaneously trying to pocket me while also hiding in the majority push on me. seems like a really gross conflict in motive. theres also the completely stupid shade he's been throwing around on some townreads (the ones i pointed out are examples but theres other times too)

tb i basically covered my read on earlier but the specifics - the "exhibit a" townread on fro99er was just utter crap and was posturey bullshit. eddie's making me reconsider this though this was basically my thoughts before we discussed it - and it's kind of true i scumread everything tb does just in general

mcmenno i explained already

basically i'm reading the game something like:

{trans}
{fro99er, bella}
{heartless, alisae, aelita}
{gork, fire}
{jj} - kinda didnt pay much attention to him but i was reading his interactions with eddie as town? he's only lower because i didnt put much thought into this read
{random, shiqf, titus} - sort later (shiqf's vote and unvote i'm conflicted about and am probably going to prioritize it when i tackle the whole thread)
{tb}
{mcmenno}
{dunn}

This post really confuses me, first of all they're being wagoned here and I NEVER EVEN VOTED THEM AT THIS POINT and instead of thinking to look on their own wagon they come after ME (again, I'm not even endorsing their wagon)

And then they say things like "if he's scum he probably thought he could try to hardbuddy me like he does as town but then once i started getting heat he realized that'd look weird as hell after my flip."
Do I "hardbuddy" as town? How is me asking for a pt here and trying to engage you hard buddying

"it's like he expects me to be townreading him and instinctively sheep him like i usually do when i'm pocketed?"
I WASN'T VOTING ANYONE LOL
Again, how am I "pocketing" you in other games when we're both town? Like, what are you talking about

"but like if he's going to go around and push gork with me, then scumread me when he has the meta knowledge to not do that"
What meta knowledge???? not to do "that"
Seriously, what are you talking about?

"tl;dr: seems like he's simultaneously trying to pocket me while also hiding in the majority push on me. seems like a really gross conflict in motive. "

That doesn't even make sense as something I'd be doing

I scumread dunn in bee movie mafia but i had a stronger scumread in creature in that game

i pushed dunn in rvs lazily in that game in a similar manner i pushed gork in this game (who i also scumread at the time)

I was town in bee movie mafia

my compadre is voting dunn. my mental vote is on think rn.

This double read continues on for the rest of the game and it's really scummy

At this point I'm still not sure why Giga actually thinks I'm scum and wants me so bad

dunn you're normally obtuse and i know you're doing it to get at my nerves but like you're actively denying things that provably happened and i think it's because you're scum this time :/

THAT's 1000 POSTS AGo

thats like every mention of my name in your iso??

I was pushing creature as well

right because i was strongarming it

I'm scum denying things that provably happened?
why can't I just be mistaken/you're misunderstanding

where i tunneled dunn for

calling an obviously pre-planned vote forced.

lol

yeah it was dumb to push on and i still hold i deserved to scumread you for it



why dont we talk about this game

Because you keep baselessly calling me scum

Anyway, I don't really need to go on to the rest of the game it's just a big long tunnel on me (and to a lesser extend, the vecna slot) without actually engaging/trying to talk to me

I'm going to link the same two games I linked for titus, pyp x/y and pyp double deck:

viewtopic.php?p=8887958#p8887958
viewtopic.php?p=8895008#p8895008
viewtopic.php?p=8895679#p8895679
viewtopic.php?p=8899245#p8899245
viewtopic.php?p=8880824#p8880824
viewtopic.php?p=8881090#p8881090

Slightly different posting style but also note the interactions with me in this game, and the interactions with their top scumreads. it's not at all how this game went down, giga was trying to figure things OUT in that game
Now look back here and see them mindlessly call for my lynch

ANOTHER thing to note that may be of relevance: that game was really long because giga was one of the players who really had to think things through again and again before commiting to a read; so much false confidence here

double deck:

viewtopic.php?p=8578126#p8578126
viewtopic.php?p=8576298#p8576298
viewtopic.php?p=8578513#p8578513
viewtopic.php?p=8582800#p8582800
viewtopic.php?p=8589402#p8589402
viewtopic.php?p=8589490#p8589490

Same deal
So much organic game solving, too, on day 1

[Vecna]

nah it's not elemental trinity. There were no Russian Roulette stuff in Code:Geass.

Ok...I'll look tomorrow morning.

Can you answer why Dunn? Feels dirty and rushed through when you have solid TB tells, I have good feel on Vecna scum, and three obvtown on Vecna.

Explain this crystal clear on me. If you dont, ill be bandwagoning and torturing you the rest of my game-time im alive.

Youve provenly ignored all my catch-up walls. You havent responded to ANY of my reachouts to you.

This is not how Titus engages with me when she's been town in all other games.

[Dunnstral]

I also played this game with scum!Dunn when he was hydraing with HS.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70181

And this is a game I played with town!Dunn
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69849

But those were like, so fucking long ago, I hardly remember them.

Oh I remember

You posted over 1000 posts and I wanted to policy you all game but held back and went for the win instead
Over 700 posts on day 1

[Vecna]

Besides, why is it just a "feel" all of a sudden?

Normally its very black and white to you, either im obv-scum or obv-town with (proper) reasoning behind it. Right here I dont even know why you think im scum besides me apparently "not scumhunting".

I dont want to lynch you. I dont want to get lynched here myself. Stop this nonsense, and try to work with me.

If you continue showing no interest in that, ill be assuming this is finally that time where its your turn to roll scum.

[Vecna]

Anyways I havent caught up from the night yet, still have a bunch of pages i need to read, but ill get to that later. Gonna do some work.

[Dunnstral]

I don't townread Alisae.

[Dunnstral]

oh and
iii) can you talk more about why you were townreading thinkbig?

p-edit: sorry!
i wont mess it up again.

My stance was that we weren't lynching someone with a provable role - which is also, yes, a towny role.
No matter how much people will yell otherwise (to the point where he's being voted for his role rather than anything else)

I'm not sure if I ever said I townread them? I said I townread vecna

[Dunnstral]

dunn we literally had this argument like ~50 pages back

i should honestly put you on ignore

Bolded part is quite the overreaction to me catching up

[Dunnstral]

i played with scumdunn before as i said before but like

No like, you straight up lost when I was scum and never even suspected me to boot

[Dunnstral]

Titus is scum by the way, and I'd like you to address that.

that's ... uh... nice, i guess?

Calling you out again

I made a post, you brushed it off

[Dunnstral]

TBH I didn't pay attention to Dunn in the Large

Note: town lost this game

[Aelita]

Town: Nebby, Titus, Fro99er, Eddie
Scum: Vecna, Transcend, jj
Null: Everyone not mention above

Well, it's a small one, but it's there.

Navy signing out.

[Aelita]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Transcend]

wha

[Aelita]

-shrugs- It's not like you'd have listened to me, and nearly all my townreads say they're scum, so yeah, I trust them for now.

[Transcend]

oo

[Aelita]

Oh, I am sorry, are you offended? Because I sure as hell don't care about anything you have to say. If you have to lynch me the next day for this, bring it on. >.>

After all, I am a liability and every game is better off without me, am I right? I mean, I always screw up and I am tired of that. D:

And I get hammered frequently, despite whether or not my claim is believable or not, and it happens regardless of alignment. So I thought I'd let someone know how that feels for once. >.>

[Aelita]

Therefore, take your silly expressions elsewhere, cos you have no idea how it feels to keep trying, and then when it becomes apparent that you were right, people mock you anyway because they can.

[Vecna]

Town: Nebby, Titus, Fro99er, Eddie
Scum: Vecna, Transcend, jj
Null: Everyone not mention above

Well, it's a small one, but it's there.

Navy signing out.

You'd probably be closer if you reversed this

[Vecna]

Aelita, how about we talk for a bit instead?

Are you gonna grant me that request, or are you gonna hold on to being afraid im going to fool you instead?

[Aelita]

Nope. You don't get to tell how my reads should be made, scum.

And what request?

[Transcend]

D:

[McMenno]

why is anyone referring to code geass like it's a game that happened

~narna

[Vecna]

UNVOTE:

I kinda think Vecna just expects Civ frogger because that's all he knows of me.

This was exactly my point fyi - youre slightly different here, and I read a lot by meta. Doesnt make you scum, but sure makes you harder to read for me (which is a shame).

I'll lynch anything that's in
{Vecna, Dunn, shqif, McMenno}

UNVOTE:

Im still waiting for you to explain what suddenly happened on you thinking I was town.

Vecna is still town

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Seriously? Night chat might be useless, I might be controversial - but im damn sure a lot more usefull than any other lynch were gonna get to today.

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Okay......This is bullshit.

I feel his flip would be helpful independent of alignment

Describe how his flip would be helpful to you?

Did i hammer

VOTE: Dunn

Since all the cool kids are doing it

Did i hammer

I don't even know the VC

This guy I swear.
He's most likely scum.

But its ok if you do it right?

is that dependant on vecna or dunns alignment? like, if both are town, or both are scun, or one or the other

I might not be able to read Dunn very well -yet- but the way this day is going down my bet is on both of us being town. Im gonna be the stubborn one here and not vote his ass unless its to save my own. Scum is in the big talkers for the most part, of that im rather certain. But hey, im sure its because were partners and im trying to save him! And not at all because a ton of people are just flip-flopping around like its noone's business and hiding behind not giving a shit.

Dunn any last reads?

lynch Titus, Heartless, and eddiebyte

Maybe transcend

Sup dunnstral, why u copying some of my reads?

Lmao Dunn is so obvscum

Aelita almost conftown now

Explain this to me. Why is dunn comfirmed scum. Make me see your reasoning. Because all im seeing it people just hopping onto giga's argument. I can see aelita being either obv-town here or very very intensely coached (which happens pretty much never, so probably town).

Aelita was basicly doing the samething imo.

Here or there?

Because here Aelita has actually made cases.

If you wanna call "I dont wanna be fooled" as a case....i guess.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

Ugh ive been on your case in civ for a long-ass time.....and im going to get on your case again this game. Why you keep doing this to me alisae. Youre giving me fucking scumpings through the roof again. First you invest heavily into a TB case. Then you say im town. Then you leap after frogger and vote me. Then you pile onto Dunn. Then you start going into troll-mode extreme again. What gives? Wheres your actual bite and scumhunting in this game? Because right now you cannot hide behind apathy.

DO STUFF. That allows me to read you. And stop with this cutesy bullshit.

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

So yes, more posts like this Ali. More posts like this. Because this is at least something I can relate to because Dunn is hard to read for me as well. Im not sure what Giga is seeing atm. Dunn was the exact same as this in PYP d1 from what I can tell. It takes him a while to sort his reads. Id be surprised if the slot flips scum here though, ill tell you that.

[Vecna]

I think giga could moreso help you there Gork?

hi howdy

dunn usually has some sort of visible thought process when he's town

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70532&user_select[]=27717

^ this is a town!dunn iso (in code because it's easy to copy and paste and iso links sometimes break for some reason?

i played with scumdunn before as i said before but like A: i was barely paying attention because it was a blitz that started when i was busy irl and B: dunn constantly says i misrep his scum meta here so idk

i've watched some of his scum games and the play in most of them is nothing like his town game

like even his post count is significantly less as scum and here he just looks like he's flinging shit everywhere

~giggles

You dont have this opinion of Dunn that his play is a progression? Day1 in PYP I observed him as not a threat at all since he was a dog without teeth (like Menno) - Near the end while he was being deathtunneled he was the only one with correct reads in the entire game.

If only for that I wanna keep him around. I have a feeling im being setup here, and if either of us flips town, its the scum incentive to dig into the other tomorrow. This is my prediction, and the signs should be obvious to you to anyone flipping around between me and Dunn.