Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand Idea
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Mafia and Werewolf are group scum factions that share a nightly factional kill.In post 21, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Werewolf and aliens are their own factions. WW works the same as Mafia (correct if I'm wrong) and Aliens can only kill on night 2 onwards (right?)
Aliens share a 1-shot factional kill as well as another ability. Like Mafia, they are a group scum faction.
There's a wiki page btw.-
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This makes zero sense.In post 34, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Also (correct me if wrong as again, on phone) if McMenno is Ascetic then he has to be the Mafia Ascetic making him even more pro town.
Also, can we lynch this for the discard and LAMIST?-
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FTFYIn post 43, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:I'm just saying now I don't get lynched as town.
And I'm pretty scummy on my align / role. So by all means keep this up.-
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FTFYIn post 45, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Great work. You can lead town while I pretend to await real progression from Chickadee.
@SlySly --> Vote Vanilla.-
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In post 42, Ircher wrote:Vanilla needs rope. This setup spec is an obvious LAMIST attempt, and his discard is scummy. Please vote him or you claim scum.-
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In post 44, Ircher wrote:In post 43, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:I'm just saying now I don't get lynched as town.
And I'm pretty scummy on my align / role. So by all means keep this up.In post 47, Ircher wrote:
@SlySly --> Vote Vanilla.In post 45, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Great work. You can lead town while I pretend to await real progression from Chickadee.-
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It's hard to believe you are town.In post 52, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:It's hard to believe there is no lyncher or Jester role.-
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1 card is your alignment, the other is your role, and the final one is discarded.
For instance:
1. VT
2. Mafia Roleblocker
3. Town Cop
You could use Town Cop as your alignment and Mafia Roleblocker as your role to be Town RBer. Then we would see you discarded VT.-
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VOTE: RadicalIn post 72, Radical Rat wrote:
Interesting. The only compulsive role in this setup is Vig. A Town Compulsive Vig.In post 14, Ircher wrote:My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.
So, you expect us to believe that not only did you draw three town cards, but you also thought being forced to kill, regardless of what evidence crops up during the day, was a good fit for your role.
Not happening buddy.
VOTE: Ircher
Thanks for outing me, jerk. (Also, thanks mod for having only 1 compulsiv role, like what the hell!)-
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This is the mod's fault.In post 76, Radical Rat wrote:You outed yourself man.
Always read the setup before claiming something like that.
Now I want an explanation as to how exactly a compulsive kill every night is good for Town.
I didn't realize there was only one compulsive role, and I claimed compulsive cuz my role could be considered negative utilit to some extent..-
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Oh really?In post 90, Radical Rat wrote:
Because I don't think you would have chosen a compulsive kill over a commute. I also think that, if you did, VT would have been a better choice to discard.In post 86, Ircher wrote:Why not?
Last time I played Greatest Idea, VT discards were scummy. And vig is way more fun than commuter.-
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Fair assessment I guess. But alas, I am town.In post 92, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:
I mean as a whole. What you are doing so far fits an underdog.In post 89, Ircher wrote:And if this is solely on the fact that I tunneled you in the beginning, just stop. I was trying to generate reactions.-
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Cuz I said "I'm town".In post 108, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
How is this LAMIST?In post 102, Radical Rat wrote:
Who's the LAMIST now, huh?In post 101, Ircher wrote:I'm town. And shooting people is fun; I'm shooting you N1.-
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85% reactions, 15% actual scumreading for discards.In post 118, McMenno wrote:yo ircher did you really scumread 1svt or was it just to garner reactions? I'm confused.-
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In post 119, Rautherdir wrote:
I didn't quite put it the same way as the others did. I never outright said I drew three town roles.In post 110, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: Why did you leave out Rauth? He's essentially claiming the same thing in the following post:
In post 81, Rautherdir wrote:I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment
I concur that this looks suspicious.In post 120, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:In post 119, Rautherdir wrote:I didn't quite put it the same way as the others did. I never outright said I drew three town roles.You discarded a town role. If you received three of the same align then it was town.
VOTE: Rauth-
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(Your post counts as LAMIST imo but thats beside the point.)
But, please, do elaborate, cuz it really seems you just roll a few 12 sided dice to determine your scumreads. You find my claim scummy YET you find 105 scummy as well. Then what do you find scummy of my claim? And lynch me regardless if I'm town? I'm sorry, but this could be LyLo for town, so your suggestion is really bad.-
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You honestly expect us to memorize 100+ roles? No way!In post 180, Radical Rat wrote:It does say RBer on the setup page. Which is my point.
I get you made a mistake, just. Read the setup now so you don't make similar errors when it actually matters is all I'm saying.-
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Not sure what you mean by gambit.In post 187, McMenno wrote:I chose ascetic neighbor over 2shot bulletproof? well fuck my life.
ircher pulling a shitty-ass gambit and his claim is scummy as fuck. but also it's ircher and he legit thinks he might be helping the town by pulling this shit. but also his claim is shit. idk.-
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.......keep reading, but you are a bit trigger hapy it seems........In post 208, Riley Cake wrote:
grrr!!! I don't believe ya!!! LOTSA PEOPLE DO SETUP SPECSIES EARLY!!! ya look like scum trying ta get an easy mislynch by bullying someone!!!!In post 42, Ircher wrote:Vanilla needs rope. This setup spec is an obvious LAMIST attempt, and his discard is scummy. Please vote him or you claim scum.
VOTE: ircher!!!-
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Do elaborate on what feels fake about it.In post 209, Riley Cake wrote:
YEAH!!! AND THAT ANGRINESS ABOUT GETTIN' OUTED LOOKS FAKE!!!!!!!!In post 80, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Ircher doesn't add up to be that role and give it away.
He would of read the role list before posting that 100%.-
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Wrong, please stop.In post 230, Chickadee wrote:In post 228, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?
Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.
All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher
At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.
Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible.-
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Or reckless town me.In post 268, Radical Rat wrote:
Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.In post 266, Riley Cake wrote:
HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?In post 217, Radical Rat wrote:Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.
Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.
Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.-
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Yes, but scumhunting is way more important and you are obviously avoiding doing so.In post 301, Rautherdir wrote:
This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.In post 300, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.
Setup spec tends to be beneficial for scum and possibly detrimental to town.-
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No, you obviously misinterpreted: I'm pointing out that there is more than those two possibilities and one shouldn't be ignorant of such.In post 278, gerryoat wrote:
dont like this post. sound like youre trying to convince yourself that you are town.In post 277, Ircher wrote:
Or reckless town me.In post 268, Radical Rat wrote:
Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.In post 266, Riley Cake wrote:
HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?In post 217, Radical Rat wrote:Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.
Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.
Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.-
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What even is this?
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Don't like how you opportunistically jumped onto me then jumped off.In post 293, TiphaineDeath wrote:The-fucking-balls
Was that coordinated bullshit theater?
Am I dreaming, Hello? UNVOTE:
Need to go read Chickadee/Radical Rat, back sometime tomorrow...
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1) Easy target to jump on -- anyone who read the first few pages can tell thats the case. Votes mean jacksquat in such an instance.In post 299, TiphaineDeath wrote:289 and 291 are both terrible, you put them together and they read an AWFUL lot like a bad scum team. The timing on them is just SO terrible. Like "Your vote was opportunistic, you need to explain it more, but yeah, totally down to vote with you before making you do either, let's go."
Also most of the time someone says something is TVT, whether they are in it or not, it is a scum-tell.
Chickadee also pinged me before back at 105.
I am ready to pretty confidently say this is scum VOTE: chickadee, and the rat might well be scum with her, though I was getting a town-vibe from the rat prior to this bullshit.
Seriously though, how in the balls was the vote on ircher opportunistic? I want someone to explain that to me, because I went and looked, and I see no real pressure on ircher, and definitely no votes. That reads as a line of bullshit to me.
And btw, rat, if you feel like reading my iso and combine it with the fact that prior to this fracas I was bored and didn't have any hard-reads yet, you'll figure out why I voted ircher real quick.
2) So you chose to vote the easiest person to vote when you were bored and w/o hard reads -- is that not by definition opportunistic?
3) Your jump off was also weird as if you did like a reaction test and yet, your behavior before and after don't match someone doing a reaction test.
Lazy town is an option, but scum is imo more likely.-
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1) How is the claim scummy? A bunch of you have stated that but none of you have backed up such claim. And lynching town is never "the correct play" unless you are scum.In post 315, TiphaineDeath wrote:1) I jumped on you because your claim was scummy and even if you're town lynching you may be the correct play. I detailed this earlier. I was waiting to see if I had a better option but none presented itself and I got bored.
2) No, opportunistic is finding a spot where someone is the most likely to get lynched and getting on their wagon for that reason. If votes don't mean anything, I already was on your wagon. If votes mean something, you had no goddamn wagon.
3) I wasn't initially doing a reaction test, I kind of got one accidentally. My vote on you was completely serious, the reactions to that vote were so goddamn painful I had to re-evaluate.
2) Flawed perspective. Opportunistic votes are when you vote someone for poor reasons when its convenient; there doesn't need to be a wagon for a vote to be convenient.-
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I'll make it a democracy -- I shoot one of the thrad's top 3 scumreads.In post 326, Radical Rat wrote:Okay, but the role doesn't force them to make those bad shots. They choose to do so and then deal with the consequences.
Now if you don't have a good shot planned, you've got no choice but to guess and hope for the best, which is not a good thing for the Town.
If you think it is, then I'd like to hear your explanation.-
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