Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Spoiler: Discards

Mini 1904 has officially begun! The following is the list of discards.

McMenno =

Two-shot Bulletproof Survivor

Rautherdir =

Town Ascetic

1 Shot Vanilla Town =

Town Private Investigator

Radical Rat =

Alien Prober

SnarkySnowman =

Town Gravedigger

TiphaineDeath =

Town Innocent Child

IAlwaysWinSometimes =

Alien Doppelganger

Ircher =

Town One-shot Commuter

Chickadee =

Werewolf

Lil Uzi Vert =

Town Miller

Necta =

Replicant Bloodsucker

gerryoat =

Watchlisted Townie

SlySly =

Werewolf Hooker

List of all Relevant Claims:

Spoiler: McMenno

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

If telling the truth, you are an Ascetic Mason

I have a mason buddy that can confirm if necessary.

Look my cards were town bloodhound, mafia ascetic mason and 2shot BP survivor. The mafia and survivor alignments were off the table as I'm not good at being mafia and site meta is survivors get policy lynched. I chose ascetic mason over 2shot BP as I don't get nightkilled very often and I thought it would shore up my weakness of being scumread often.

If telling the truth, you are either:
A Mafia Bloodhound, (Investigative action that provides town or not-town, Factional Kill, Factional Chat)
or a Town Ascetic Mason (Immune to all non-kill night actions, shares a PT with any other masons)

Spoiler: Rautherdir

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

I drew three town roles and am not Ascetic.

Spoiler: 1 Shot Vanilla Town

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

If telling the truth, you are town and not a private investigator

Spoiler: Radical Rat

Hey guys, nice to see we're getting right into things.

Acting pro-town is not LAMIST. LAMIST usually implies a lack of content except to claim Town. Ircher is probably 3p.

Now then. I want to know the ALIGNMENTS of all three of everyone's cards. Mine were two aliens and one Town.

If telling the truth, you are either Town or Alien, and are not a Prober

Spoiler: SnarkySnowman

No information provided. You are not a Gravedigger.

Spoiler: TiphaineDeath

No information provided. You are not an Innocent Child.

Spoiler: IAlwaysWinSometimes/Riley Cake

No information provided. You are not a Doppelganger

Spoiler: Ircher

My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.

If telling the truth, you are a Compulsive Vigilante

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

If telling the truth, you are either a Vanilla Townie or a Town Compulsive Vigilante (Must target a person to kill each night. If you fail to choose a target you probably target yourself).

Spoiler: Chickadee

And since you offered up your information, I was given town, SK, and werewolf alignment cards.

If telling the truth, you are either SK or Town.

Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert

No information provided. You are not a miller.

Spoiler: Necta

No information provided. You are not a Bloodsucker.

Spoiler: gerryoat

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

If telling the truth, you are town and are not watchlisted.

Spoiler: SlySly

My first card was Werewolf Hooker
I thought that was my alignment choices (Werewolf alignment) and (Hooker alignment)
So I picked Hooker(alignment) with the skill of one of my other cards.

After an explanation, I discarded what I saw as the Werewolf alignment card. I didn't realize I could use that card as a Hooker role was when I discarded it, though I'm sure it was explained properly. I didn't even know what the Hooker role was. My other 2 cards were town and I did know what the role is that I picked.

If telling the truth, you are town and are not a Hooker.

I'll be doing some math to see what the odds of this setup being possible. I will not release the math until after everyone claims their card alignments, however.
SnarkySnowman, TiphaineDeath, Riley Cake, Lil Uzi Vert, and Necta: You have yet to provide either your alignments or a valid reason not to.

While I was looking through I saw this though:

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

Explain ascetic to me. I'm special ed.

Never saw anyone answer this so:
Ascetic is a role modifier which causes the slot to reflexively roleblock any non-kill action targeting that slot at night.

Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

[Rautherdir]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

[Radical Rat]

289 and 291 are both terrible, you put them together and they read an AWFUL lot like a bad scum team. The timing on them is just SO terrible. Like "Your vote was opportunistic, you need to explain it more, but yeah, totally down to vote with you before making you do either, let's go."

Also most of the time someone says something is TVT, whether they are in it or not, it is a scum-tell.

Chickadee also pinged me before back at 105.

I am ready to pretty confidently say this is scum VOTE: chickadee, and the rat might well be scum with her, though I was getting a town-vibe from the rat prior to this bullshit.

Seriously though, how in the balls was the vote on ircher opportunistic? I want someone to explain that to me, because I went and looked, and I see no real pressure on ircher, and definitely no votes. That reads as a line of bullshit to me.

And btw, rat, if you feel like reading my iso and combine it with the fact that prior to this fracas I was bored and didn't have any hard-reads yet, you'll figure out why I voted ircher real quick.

It felt opportunistic because I'd been talking about Ircher scum more or less all day, then switched to Chickadee as my primary lynch, and as soon as we agree on Ircher you drop a naked vote.

[Radical Rat]

I really can't see Ircher as scum here. I have reason to believe his role choice was actually his alignment ability and we can work on proving that tonight. And RR isn't flipping anything but town imo.
VOTE: Chickadee

That is an interesting theory, and I'd like to see how this turns out tonight.

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

And now, let's talk about this.

We are most likely playing multiball right now.
What this means is that it isn't a clear-cut Town vs. Scum game. The scumteams and third parties are also in competition with each other, and this can benefit Town greatly.
Why try to fight all the scum at once when you can let them kill each other and pick off the rest?
And for the scum out there in the audience, would you prefer to be in lategame with a disorganized and paranoid Town trying desperately to lynch you, or against a coordinated team that won't care about your defenses or claims, and will be after you both during the day and night?

It is mutually beneficial that before killing the Town, you first hunt the other scumteams.

It also means that scum pushing for a Town lynch can hit another scumteam instead, participating in this arrangement whether they meant to or not.

So yes. Sometimes I will vote with my scumreads, and I find their input useful, if not necessarily trustworthy.
This is why I kept my vote on Ircher despite being wary of Tiphaine.

In Chickadee's case, I am still not confident that she's Town, but I do Want to trust her. I appreciate being able to discuss things civily and work out the misunderstandings we had, rather than it turning into a mutual OMGUS tunnel. I'm not quite sure how to read her at the moment, but I do believe we can be more productive working together and lynching someone scarier.

Savvy?

(Sorry about the wall btw)

[Chickadee]

And now, let's talk about this.

We are most likely playing multiball right now.
What this means is that it isn't a clear-cut Town vs. Scum game. The scumteams and third parties are also in competition with each other, and this can benefit Town greatly.
Why try to fight all the scum at once when you can let them kill each other and pick off the rest?
And for the scum out there in the audience, would you prefer to be in lategame with a disorganized and paranoid Town trying desperately to lynch you, or against a coordinated team that won't care about your defenses or claims, and will be after you both during the day and night?

It is mutually beneficial that before killing the Town, you first hunt the other scumteams.

It also means that scum pushing for a Town lynch can hit another scumteam instead, participating in this arrangement whether they meant to or not.

So yes. Sometimes I will vote with my scumreads, and I find their input useful, if not necessarily trustworthy.
This is why I kept my vote on Ircher despite being wary of Tiphaine.

In Chickadee's case, I am still not confident that she's Town, but I do Want to trust her. I appreciate being able to discuss things civily and work out the misunderstandings we had, rather than it turning into a mutual OMGUS tunnel. I'm not quite sure how to read her at the moment, but I do believe we can be more productive working together and lynching someone scarier.

Savvy?

(Sorry about the wall btw)

I'll also add that the only way town has a chance to make it out alive in a multi ball game is to work together. Everyone needs to be posting, everyone needs to be talking to each other. It doesn't do town any good if anyone tries to quarterback the whole game, or if anyone lets someone quarterback the whole game. Let's be a good town.


Uzi, remove your vote from me.

[gerryoat]

how many votes on Chickadee, gonna vote her after her last few posts seemed pretty bad

[SnarkySnowman]

Prod received

[Radical Rat]

Prod received

Cool, so how about this game?

[Ircher]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

Yes, but scumhunting is way more important and you are obviously avoiding doing so.

Setup spec tends to be beneficial for scum and possibly detrimental to town.

[JerryArr]

Mini 1904 Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 1.04
No players at L-2 or closer.

TiphaineDeath: McMenno
Ircher: Riley Cake, Chickadee
Chickadee: Lil Uzi Vert, 1 Shot Vanilla Town, TiphaineDeath
SnarkySnowman: Ircher

Not voting: gerryoat, Necta, Rautherdir, SlySly, SnarkySnowman, Radical Rat

Day 1 deadline is 11 May, 2017 at 6:15 PM EDT, or in {(expired on 2017-05-11 18:15:00)}.

There are 13 living players, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

NOTES:

Nothing of note.

[Ircher]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

dont like this post. sound like youre trying to convince yourself that you are town.

No, you obviously misinterpreted: I'm pointing out that there is more than those two possibilities and one shouldn't be ignorant of such.

[Ircher]

Yeaaaah, everybody hop on VOTE: ircher

What even is this?

[Ircher]

The-fucking-balls

Was that coordinated bullshit theater?

Am I dreaming, Hello? UNVOTE:

Need to go read Chickadee/Radical Rat, back sometime tomorrow...

Don't like how you opportunistically jumped onto me then jumped off.
VOTE: Tiphaine

[Ircher]

289 and 291 are both terrible, you put them together and they read an AWFUL lot like a bad scum team. The timing on them is just SO terrible. Like "Your vote was opportunistic, you need to explain it more, but yeah, totally down to vote with you before making you do either, let's go."

Also most of the time someone says something is TVT, whether they are in it or not, it is a scum-tell.

Chickadee also pinged me before back at 105.

I am ready to pretty confidently say this is scum VOTE: chickadee, and the rat might well be scum with her, though I was getting a town-vibe from the rat prior to this bullshit.

Seriously though, how in the balls was the vote on ircher opportunistic? I want someone to explain that to me, because I went and looked, and I see no real pressure on ircher, and definitely no votes. That reads as a line of bullshit to me.

And btw, rat, if you feel like reading my iso and combine it with the fact that prior to this fracas I was bored and didn't have any hard-reads yet, you'll figure out why I voted ircher real quick.

1) Easy target to jump on -- anyone who read the first few pages can tell thats the case. Votes mean jacksquat in such an instance.
2) So you chose to vote the easiest person to vote when you were bored and w/o hard reads -- is that not by definition opportunistic?
3) Your jump off was also weird as if you did like a reaction test and yet, your behavior before and after don't match someone doing a reaction test.

Lazy town is an option, but scum is imo more likely.

[TiphaineDeath]

1) I jumped on you because your claim was scummy and even if you're town lynching you may be the correct play. I detailed this earlier. I was waiting to see if I had a better option but none presented itself and I got bored.
2) No, opportunistic is finding a spot where someone is the most likely to get lynched and getting on their wagon for that reason. If votes don't mean anything, I already was on your wagon. If votes mean something, you had no goddamn wagon.
3) I wasn't initially doing a reaction test, I kind of got one accidentally. My vote on you was completely serious, the reactions to that vote were so goddamn painful I had to re-evaluate.

[Rautherdir]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

Yes, but scumhunting is way more important and you are obviously avoiding doing so.

Setup spec tends to be beneficial for scum and possibly detrimental to town.

I think you are still under the assumption that there is only one antitown faction. In multiball scumhunting is not an indicator of town or scum, as both town and scum will participate. However, setup spec allows town to coordinate, allowing town to actually have a chance of making it to the end of the game.

[Rautherdir]

Of course I could be wrong, as we could be in a setup with only one anti-town player.

[Rautherdir]

But we could also be in MYLO with 6 scum in a single faction. So setup spec is necessary to prevent us from doing something stupid.

[Rautherdir]

Radical Rat and Chickadee, could you please tell me what the roles of your town cards were? Since you obviously aren't using them...

[Ircher]

1) I jumped on you because your claim was scummy and even if you're town lynching you may be the correct play. I detailed this earlier. I was waiting to see if I had a better option but none presented itself and I got bored.
2) No, opportunistic is finding a spot where someone is the most likely to get lynched and getting on their wagon for that reason. If votes don't mean anything, I already was on your wagon. If votes mean something, you had no goddamn wagon.
3) I wasn't initially doing a reaction test, I kind of got one accidentally. My vote on you was completely serious, the reactions to that vote were so goddamn painful I had to re-evaluate.

1) How is the claim scummy? A bunch of you have stated that but none of you have backed up such claim. And lynching town is never "the correct play" unless you are scum.
2) Flawed perspective. Opportunistic votes are when you vote someone for poor reasons when its convenient; there doesn't need to be a wagon for a vote to be convenient.

[TiphaineDeath]

1) The claim is scummy because it's weird, random, and REALLY easy to just ride to a win if people actually feel like believing you, especially if you are bulletproof.
2) Agree to Disagree, also my reasons are fine.

[Radical Rat]

Vig itself is not scummy. Compulsive vig is.

You either have to be the best darn scumhunter the site has ever seen, or you will be killing Town. The only reason I'm not still voting you is because 1 Shot seems to have something indicating you're not actually a compulsive vig.

[Ircher]

Compulsive vig is very little more neg util than vig.

[Radical Rat]

At least with regular vig you don't HAVE to shoot until you think you know for sure who Scum is. Compulsive forces you to guess and hope for the best.