Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Vecna]

@frogger - my posts between the JJ vs Shitfuck wagons. Id say Ive had my fair share of defending JJ here and to a lesser extent for pushing on shitfuck because my scumread of the time (and still to some extent), Giga, was trying to keep pushing on JJ even though he claimed motion detector.

At any rate, I feel I had a worthwhile contribution there to steer the lynch where it needed to go. If JJ is scum as well, of course none of this matters....but im pretty pretty sure he is not at this point.

Spoiler:

VOTE: shifq

Lets just lynch this, and see what the night brings. I agree this shit needs to end, and getting rid of a total lurker over this ffj guy seems like a much better idea since im nowhere near convinced he's scum. Night actions should make a lot of stuff clear.

I actually really like Titus' gambit here since it brings a lot of options.

Either she's completely bullshitting to test whether Dunn is scum......or she's completely bullshitting because she's scum with dunn......or she's town that is doing something interesting meaning either dunn or Titus is about to die.

I can only see good things coming off this and im quite exciting.

Especially since its hood-scheming time with dunnstral.

the same applies to you btw Titus, I really couldnt give less of a shit who we lynch in bella/shiqf/jj since my reads on all 3 basically default to the same thing. The only difference is that JJ talks more.

This is your little theory testing-day, so make it count.

A titus lynch today is completely off the table.

A dunn lynch today is completely off the table.

Were testing that Titus theory today.

Id prefer to lynch in S / JJ since theyre the most controversial and best information lynches, and I do have some faith in Frogger's ability to read that slot (allthough if youre hell-bent ill sheep you there as well).

Well, S clearly isnt a good information lynch - that came out kind of wrong.

At any rate, recent events are giving me a very low tolerance for lurkers and I have no problem whatsoever getting rid of them early on.

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well still it's crap and i'm not having it

Why are you opposing this one so much?

You were townreading me before, but you actually had no problem lynching me just to end the day......yet here youre suddenly very much against it and opposing it.

R U SCUM M8?

o

well still it's crap and i'm not having it

Transcend actually has a strong meta on the other website where I play with him to defend his teammates, fyi.

He will -very often- try some gimmick to save them.

After he was townreading me and not having any problems lynching me, this looks freakishly suspicious.

Would you settle for my non-active half or is it all-or-nothing?

this doesnt sound like something scum would post btw.

Even though Transcend is acting extremely shady here, I think we should settle for S (who just beetlejuiced as well).

I'm a modified enabler limited motion detector bonded not-telling-you-that-bit.

And I withheld a bit of information regarding my negative utility because it would tell people who I'm using my action on. If I'm voting someone at the end of the day, I am allowed to target them with my night action. Out of a bond, I'm a motion detector and get told if my target acted or was acted on that night. But I am not going to reveal my bonded action unless I really have to.

Good. Go on titus tonight.

motion detector is pretty close to useless in role madness anywyas

ROFL, you did -NOT- just say that

an enabler usually enables roles else that other people have

this doesn't add up

you can't enable yourself

In my role pm, the enabling part means I need to do something (compose my music for a night) while passive in a bond, before I can use my night-talking activator.

Whatever. Just get a fucking wagon not on obvious town or Dunn. I am checked out of this day. The fact jj isn't fullclaiming says volumes.

.....Im getting these scumpings again

Ok here's my plan:

Mechanically we need to make it so that scum cannot predict our moves. Theres a lot of information in the open, but we can still be unpredictable.

I need another person that can be passive. What we need is that JJ can choose for himself whether he bonds with that person or not. This way scum do not know whether he will motion detect, or use his other hidden ability. That way theres no predicting for them how to act. Ill instruct dunnstral in a similair manner. DUNNSTRAL, YOU HEREBY HAVE THE OPTION AS WELL TO CANCEL YOUR BOND TO ME, SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TRACKER. this way we have a ton of options and scum cannot predict it.

The combination of proper power use here is gonna flush out a lot of truth.

Frog, the wording in my role pm is really different then jjh's, but I'm thinking here it suggests that jjh is fakeclaiming. I am going to out this. I am unspeakably bounded, so I'm checking in with who I am bonded with to know if I am going to fullclaim cc or not, but I also want to point out this.

jjh's claim: modified enabler limited motion detector bonded not-telling-you-that-bit.
TB's claim: Modified Bond Passively Bonded Self-Enabling Disabled Night-Talk Enabler

Doesn't jjh's wording strike you as off?

Alisae, trust my judgement here - the wording & his claim match.

Its done the exact same way as mine. Its not completely AI obviously, but the way in which he went about his claim and refusing to full - claim and being so resistant to claiming - screams town to me.

hey frog and vecna if you're going to shout at me wht not actually tell me what motion detector is supposed to do

This is eddie isnt it?

The ammount of fake-claims that role can detect if used properly is astounding. Granted, itll likely be a while since it really shines when were getting to a lower player number - and scum will probably NK the slot long before it, but there are so many possibilities to put that role to good use in such a setting.

Vecna, since we're not lynching in the Titus/Dunn/Heartless thing, let's do Transcend

Not -quite- sure this is the right call frogger.

I still think S is an interesting option. I wanna know if it flips scum, because I have a sensation that a lot of people need to be awakened to the possibility of giga being scum here.

I really feel Giga has been pushing on people for very weird reasoning.

It applies to me, it applies to JJ.....maybe not so much to Dunn.

Then they were defending S, and trying to force the issue on JJ.

[Vecna]

Your absolute refusal to treat me like I am a worthwhile scumhunter is turning this game to shit. Instead, you try to dictate like I am 5 with no reasons.

I have work to do but I am not dealing with this type of attitude.

That's at jj frogger random vecna

This type of play is becoming how scum win.

How about you reflect on the number of times you've characterized my play as spamming/toxic/useless instead?

Give an honest evaluation there. Lets see if youre capable of that.

[Fro99er]

hmm thanks vecna

[Vecna]

Oh right, because I was totally not involved in lynching scum day1 right?

You werent willing to work with me regardless. Your actions when I was put onto L-2 were proof enough. You completely ignored the wagon.

Something town-titus would never do in that situation. You were fine with me getting lynched, especially since you could stay away from the wagon yourself, after having set the precedence on day1.

You bussed and you're in the bus zone.

Frankly, you have no desire to work with an outed investigative because you're scum. I see no other reason for this hostile attitude.

You can die. I want you dead. You're right. Your play has made this game miserable and you're possible scum that I don't need, so I will gladly work with my townreads.

Noone is actually going to agree with this, and if theres one thing ive never seen you do in all those games we've had together its start with the AtE - attacks.

If anything its been you that has made this game toxic for me.

Try subbing into a game like this in the slot that I had, read up on 100+ pages, and then still have people state that all you do is spam garbage, and that youre not scumhunting.

Ive brought plenty of arguments why I think youre scum. And now its time for the 1v1 showdown.

No you haven't brought a single 1.

You're whining about hating this game as a reflexive response. You don't. You like this.

I can't see why you'd act like this otherwise.

I am a fucking loyal bodyguard. You want my protection, you fucking treat me like a decent person. Eddie McMenno Fire Aelita Transcend Aelitaand Heartless are all great scumhunters who I enjoy. They see what I need and give it or say why not.

You're in that category as town. In PyP, you nitpicked and tried to spam out my other reads, like you do here.

In civ we also had completely different reads, and I also tried to push on them. You also stated I was completely wrong on Drixx and Notice

Anyways you know all of this. This is not your town-game. You now resorting to "treat me as a normal person"....well get ready to be quoted how awesome youve been towards me this game.

[Vecna]

Titus -- what about Vecna JJ scum combo?

That is what she's been pushing most of the game, yes.

[Fro99er]

titus -- if you're a loyal bodyguard, instead of clearing aelita, who I think everyone townreads well enough by now, how about you target me?

Or do you have to be in a bond with me for that to happen?

[Fro99er]

or is there a different mechanism for you clearing someone?

[Titus]

Titus -- what about Vecna JJ scum combo?

Vecna random makes more sense.

[Titus]

titus -- if you're a loyal bodyguard, instead of clearing aelita, who I think everyone townreads well enough by now, how about you target me?

Or do you have to be in a bond with me for that to happen?

Bond required

[Fro99er]

and it also requires dunn either watching me or tracking you, correct?

[Titus]

and it also requires dunn either watching me or tracking you, correct?

Aelita yes.

[Fro99er]

because I think we can break this if you are at all willing to loyal bodyguard me

[Fro99er]

I have a 4th person who can make this work.

[Titus]

because I think we can break this if you are at all willing to loyal bodyguard me

Ok. I am listening, but you'll have to type it out and give me 12-24 hours to review with Heartless.

If it doesn't break the game, I am bonding with Aelita though.

[Fro99er]

and bodyguard is your passive, right?

[Titus]

and bodyguard is your passive, right?

One of them yes.
Loyal bodyguard and something else. I do both to my bonded target. Neither hurts.

[Fro99er]

Alright -- I'm going to run this by Bella to make sure there are no holes in my plan, then I will type it out here if that's the case. It doesn't really matter if Bella is scum or town, because she'll have to answer truthfully to me because I've already fullclaimed to her.

UNVOTE:

[Vecna]

Hey good news if Vecna us in the game. Another player I enjoy playing with.

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

I didn't vote for you, I voted for ThinkBig. Nothing you have done has made me change my mind, and especially not this thinly veiled threat.

If this is accurate, it suggests TB town and Dunn scum wanting the ml to go through. That's not jiving with my analysis thus far.

You haven't proven that the timing of pushes on you and ThinkBig are anything beyond coincidence.

Ok, coincidental timing, Alisae's track record,

Vecna's OMGUS....

It's day 1, we aren't getting better than that.

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

So your stance is that anyone voting you is scum? :O

Well, I am the same, let's bond.

Would you agree to be passive?
If so, we'll bond with you.

Can also bond with you, my ability requires me to be passive for that nightchat to be enabled night2.

Back off. Heartless is bonding with me and Aelita.

you dont want the chat to continue being enabled during the night?

I think everyone can (and should) agree that that is quite a nice priority we can all agree on we should capitalize on.

I dont care who im bonding, I just need to be bonded with someone that wants to get active.

When you bond with me, you will not be able to speak in the PT, itll be all me. Ill write a nice diary.

Then pick someone else. I am not claiming. I want night enabled chat, but I don't respond well to

bribery

. I am hopefully Heartless won't either.

Heartless wants to sort Aelita and Heartless wants and agreed to bond with me.

Rather than scumhunting, you're just trying to disrupt plans and weasel your way in with bribes.

@Dunnstral I am riding on the back of a giant penguin. A really giant penguin. With a cape. And a sword. Sound familiar?

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but it doesn't make them any less scum.

Titus is gonna come around on that read, or Titus is gonna get lynched and flip scum.

Mark my words

Well i am

waiting for you to scumhunt

@Dunnstral I am riding on the back of a giant penguin. A really giant penguin. With a cape. And a sword. Sound familiar?

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but i
It doesn't make them any less scum.

Titus is gonna come around on that read, or Titus is gonna get lynched and flip scum.

Mark my words

Well i am waiting for you to scumhunt

Like my catch-up posts alone havent done 10x as much as you have this game?

Youre overestimating your influence here.

Everyone is waiting for -you- to scumhunt.

I already caught a scum pool of 5, there are 4 scum. I did it with hugs and smiles. I am going through here but

all I see is you trying to coast on your role and Titus better TR me

.

Yeah I think Vecna is town.

Oh yeah right!

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

You're getting hoodwinked here. Vecna hasn't sorted anyone and thrown mud at obvtown

. Vecna being more charismatic doesn't change your tb tells.

JJ has gone after low hanging fruit the entire game. He immediately TRed me once he saw I wasn't an easy mislynch.

every time i go to vote aelita i have to stop myself because they're ust too amusing

obviously slot doesn't live to lylo tho

And why not? Because I question clearing someone based on a role due to being burned for doing the very same thing in one of the previous games? Because I learned from that mistake, unlike randomidget here? Yeah, such a reasonable thought process. I swear that everyone should follow this beacon of logic.

IM
NOT
FUCKING
TOWNREADING
THE
CLAIM

QFT

Well that's all I see. I am with Aelita here 100%.

Vecna hasn't even attempted to sort anyone

, so I don't know what flowers he gave.

I saw!
Anything you want to add about TB's play?
What makes you think Vecna's reads are contrived instead of genuinely formed?

Also, what are your current reads?

What Vecna reads?

i dont think anyone is really currently townreading vecna solely because of his claim.

Great.

Then where's his hunting

? People claim they aren't but I actually agree with Aelita.

are you seeing me call him town?

Nope but I have kinda been tuning out crap a bit until the vc. If I saw anything I thought was a reason to TR Vecna's play, I would. There's nothing here that distinguishes Vecna as town.

It's ok Titus. I still heart you

Great, then you can back off from ever pushing anyone outside my scumpool. Then if I am wrong, we can fight, but I ought to be dead before hand.

Saves me the trouble of looking through

500bposts of not lynching Vecna to respond to nothingness

.

You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.

People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.

Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?

Yea make sure your buddies don't get caught.

Him im Titus

"Vecna scumhunt or youre scum"

"im refusing to read anything"

"Vecna is scum, he's not scumhunting"

Yup. You still aren't. You're AtEing and trying to control things but are not scumhunting. You're spamming but not scumhunting.

I am bored of this day.

So tell me why Bella is scum. I have never played with the slot, and the slot has hardly done anything. Im incapable of sorting a slot like that - youre well aware of my playstyle.

I have my suspicions about JJ, but the same applies.

Feel free to convince me with compelling arguments Titus. For now I find no good reasons to vote either of these slots.

Im not gonna rehash my earlier statements what I think about the gamestate. You can check my Iso and look for medium walls.

TLDR: ~2 scum in Giga/frogger/ali/Titus/Heart - Scum are looking to run over the game.

Saying im not scumhunting is bullshit. Everyone knows it. Saying it after blatantly claiming youre not even catching up on whats actually happening is even worse.

And yes, youre being awful atm. Notice how I have never adressed you like that before, and draw your conclusions. Ill usually give you the respect you deserve, but the way youre going about it here is deserving of nothing.

First things first, you are treating me exactly like PyP, calling me awful and trying to rile me up.

I don't care for your

blatant appeal to authority of the masses. If you're scumhunting, they can show me where. Insulting players isn't scumhunting

.

Their terrible response to my slayet's gambit, trying to appease people and then lurking away is not protown at all.

I don't play go fish. If there's a post where you detail your Bella read, we can talk about it.

Randomly shading the obvtown block

also is not doing you favors. The only one who might be scum there is Frogger.

There is no such thing as an OBV-town block yet. And I do agree that of the 5 names listed, frogger is HIGH HIGH up on my suspicion list. Ive been playing it off, but his reactions to my accusations are rather telling (and they remind me exactly of Drixx' response to when I was onto his crap in civ).

And ill shade whoever I want. Im not gonna townread them just because theyre freely shitposting, or not doing anything. I have no reason whatsoever to TR any of those 5 names yet.

You are putting effort.

That effort just isn't effective at sorting anyone

.

For instance, you aren't checking to see if any of your so called reads can be scum together as a fail safe.

If you have no reason to TR hearless, alisae, or gork, I have zero reason to TR you. Alisae doesn't stick their neck out on their TB read as scum unless scum with you. She gets too much heat for the lynch if you're town. Heartless has lead the scumhunting charge. Gork matches every other game we played and we synced on tells, particulatly when scum were acting like I did in mafiaception.

titus are you fucking joking me? like, use your head. read fire's post again. and tell me that you still want me to say it.

Might as well. No harm.

It's more effective than 90+ percent of posts since Vecna subbed in.

Wait, when did Bella become one of your scumreads, Titus?

This is why this is getting roped.

VOTE: JJ

@Vecna, yes. You're a scumread.

I am waiting for you to scumhunt to break that.

Away for dinner, back in an hour.

Titus, if you dare say that youre waiting for me to scumhunt one more time, im voting you for the rest of the game, without pause. No bluff. Thread lightly because your words will instantly loose the game for town here.

*shrug*

On the off chance you forgot how to play, I'll refrain from expressing my opinion for awhile.

Also Vecna, what are your current reads?

Im still thinking Titus and Heartless are scum together. The way titus is TR'ing Heartless is totally fake.

Gork is still town

You and frogger are probably still town, allthough im not liking all the hip-hopping you guys are doing (but then again, I guess you might not be so carefree as scum)

Starting to feel slightly better about RM.

Still finding it hard to read Giga/eddy, fire and Transcend is also slightly weird and no longer as towny as I thought before.

Suspicions about Jjh are around.

Still up for lynching menno.

still have no idea how to sort Bella and that other alphabet guy that is still due to post a wall or explenation about their earlier reads.

Sorry that you can't attack my townread on Heartless. Deal with it. Fake how? You also say nothing about Heartless here.

This read wall is vapid on conclusions.

Gork is town. Why? We know he's town, but you don't detail why.

Feeling better about RM? Why?

There are suspicions about jj, but how do you feel about them.

It's hard to read Eddie hydra, giga and Transcend. Not true. They are all town, but you don't detail what conflict you have here that warrants leaving all these slots at null.

You basically say Frogger and Alisae are town, but try to build yourself an escape hatch.

No idea how to sort Bella or alphabet guy (who?). Again, you can lay out why these slots are the way they are.

Why are you wanting to lynch McMenno short of OMGUS?

All of these details youre asking about - ive already talked about them in great detail. If youre actually interested (but youre not, because youre scum) you would read what ive been saying.

The one that hasnt detailed any of their reads, is you. And the ones you have detailed are just totally poor reasoning.

Heart -has not- been leading the scumhunting effort. In fact, theyre on the absolute BOTTOM of efforts when it comes to scumhunting. Fucking McMenno has done more scumhunting.

He can lead in fewer posts. I'm sorry that bothers you.

You've spammed a bunch of garbage

. I'm not reading 200+ posts to guess at your reads when you should have been lynched prior to your sub in. If someone else can detail why you're conflicted, ok. I don't see anyone doing that though because

you have been a hot garbage mess of leash the tracker nonsense.

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

they are not the same across these two games.
im als a strong tone player. RR was playing more victimised and appealing. If Vecna was playing like RR this game he would have come in and hard buddied me.

Nah, Vecna is playing the victim to my push, to Alisae's push, to Aelita's push and he's appealing to others to try and lynch us.

he really isnt. when you started being a dick for no reason about him wanting to bond heartless he could have so easily AtE'd that but he didn't. Alisae's push maybe, but not yours. He has a scumread on you and you complain that he tries to get people to lynch his scumread. i really don't need to explain why that is fucking stupid, especially when you townread aelita.

Nah, he has been AtEing with my push. Whenever I ask him to explain anything, his answers are whining and crying and he just OMGUSed me when it was clear I wasn't falling for his bullshit. He doesn't have a legit scumread. He's just appealing to try and get me lynched.

He's backed into a corner as Vecna, jj, bella is just the obvious fucking answer and has been for the last umpteen pages of crap. I'm just waiting for y'all to catch up.

he is getting annoyed because you are making up reasons to justify your scumread on him.

No. He's

AtEing

that and you're buying it.

I didn't make up Alisae's accuracy rate.
I didn't make up his tone.
I didn't make up his bullshit attempt to divide me and Heartless and subsequent whining when that failed.
I didn't make up

his posts are spammy bullshit that say nothing, and he says go fish when I try to talk to him.

So just what about my scumread on him is made up?

[Fro99er]

vecna get out of here with that

that's not scumhunting...just proving a point

[Vecna]

And this is just the first 1.5 page of Titus' Iso.

doing this AtE thing now, where she claims that it is me that is toxic, or making the game unenjoyable is a total joke.

[Vecna]

vecna get out of here with that

that's not scumhunting...just proving a point

Its both frog. Its both.

Because never has Titus adressed my play in the way she has done in this game. Not even when she was town, and she correctly caught me as scum.

She's always the one that is anti-shading as town.

And now while theres again a wagon forming on her, she's trying to slither out by stating that -im- the one making the game toxic?

Hey Titus, if for some bizarre reason you are town - you really need to reflect on this shit once you see my allignment. Its not like I give a shit about any of this, but at this point I really cannot do anything else but assume this is just a stratagem on your part to shut me down.

And im going to lynch you for it or die trying.

[Titus]

vecna get out of here with that

that's not scumhunting...just proving a point

Its both frog. Its both.

Because never has Titus adressed my play in the way she has done in this game. Not even when she was town, and she correctly caught me as scum.

She's always the one that is anti-shading as town.

And now while theres again a wagon forming on her, she's trying to slither out by stating that -im- the one making the game toxic?

Hey Titus, if for some bizarre reason you are town - you really need to reflect on this shit once you see my allignment. Its not like I give a shit about any of this, but at this point I really cannot do anything else but assume this is just a stratagem on your part to shut me down.

And im going to lynch you for it or die trying.

No. I don't. Your wagon cane first. I dared to suspect you and you rail that me calling you out for spam is bad and you do so by having toxic spam. I have done a lot of reflection and you're trying to drown shit out.

You're welcome to spam shit whining about how I caught you or that you're unwilling to give a bodyguard discretion and try to make me look unreasonable. Consider this my response.

[Vecna]

Anyways bed-time. Im done handing out olive branches. Im not voting anything else for the rest of the game unless I see a mechanical irrefutable hard-clear.

[Vecna]

You didnt catch shit Titus, only another 1v1 situation. Congratulations

[Titus]

Frogger how long will it take for Bella to get back?

P.s. I think Vecna/random is more likely due to the secrecy of random's claim and how anti-town that is.