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[Titus]

people who are miserable:

Alisae
Fire
Tammy

people who are having fun:

frog

people who are scum:

keyser
ari

Add Titus to that list of miserable.

I hate games where players insult you for disagreeing.

[Titus]

That or sub out the moment they get wagoned.

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I've gotten worse and worse since my return to mafia.

Laundry I was really good.
Our first hydra game I was really good.
Pine's game I was ok
Civ I was ok
Bringer 2 I was ok
Fire's most recent game I was trash

I've gotten amazing if people aren't dicks. If I can stop people from being a dick at me, I'm very good. If I get into a shitfest, my reads go down.

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Add Titus to that list of miserable.

wasn't sure where you stood and didn't want to assume for you

I'm sorry you are miserable.

I know. I just hate players who can't handle disagreement. *shrug* If Tammy could just agree to disagree and listen to my reads posts, we'd be fine but she's not ok with me SRing Nacho.

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I haven't lied or insulted at all. (That egotistical comment i guess was insulting but it was how I viewed you being with boon skies, and I apologized.)

I don't think I'm better than anyone. I really quite frankly think I'm shit at everything.

Then why do you call me arrogant? Beat me down for SRing Nacho? Say that I'm garbage at working with people?

Like none of that is true if you saw my town meta from anything that's not 2+ years ago or with ABR.

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I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO AND READING EVERY POST. I'VE ASKED FOR UPDATES ON THOUGHTS. YOU CAN SCUM READ NACHO ALL YOU WANT, YOU'RE JUST WRONG. IF YOU'RE TOWN AND YOU'RE WRONG ON A SCUM READ THEN YOU'RE VIEW OF THE GAME IS WRONG. I'M NOT JUST GOING TO NOT POINT OUT SOMETHING I KNOW IS WRONG.

Yeah, well you haven't been listening Tammy. You've read. You've tried to listen, but you're no better than Math in that regard. I told you how I scumhunt. I've directed you to places on how I read. I'll never be normal or normal with emotions and put great work into improving reading tone and emotion. Do I get it right? No, but there is a reason I hate D1. If I get a lock scumread, it's probably wrong. So I just leave it at a pool and let my townreads pick.

The way you've treated me is that you know Nacho better than I do, so it's ok if he whiteknights you. No it isn't. It's not ok that Nacho has been a non-entity. You might be able to tone read each other because you know each other for years. I never will. Prism picked up on the same thing, and you had conflict with Prism.

Your implosion read is mud because you want implosion to be town but the only thing he's done is defend you and Nacho.

Do I have the game solved? Far from it.

Does Keyser's recent posting bother me? Sure, but it does nothing to progress the game and he's still likely flipping town.

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@Fire, Not fighting you. Just forget it. Nacho's not getting lynched today.

[Titus]

@Fire, Not fighting you. Just forget it. Nacho's not getting lynched today.

It was a joke friend

Hahaha. (forced laughter) I suck.

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Not really but I think keyser would give us more info if he flipped scum?

Nah, Keyser is a town pushed wagon, so what information would it give us?

[Titus]

Not really but I think keyser would give us more info if he flipped scum?

Nah, Keyser is a town pushed wagon, so what information would it give us?

Wasn't talking about VCA Titus.
Was talking about his reads and how people interacted with him

*shrug* If you can get something from it, I'll hammer it. I just don't see it being worthwhile.

[Titus]

*shrug* If you can get something from it, I'll hammer it.

"Grotesque"

Spoiler:

[Titus]

I'll put that in word form. Huh?

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then you said you'd hammer keyser so I called it "grotesque" because he should think that of you for saying that if he thought that of me

Can we label this out for those of us who are slower, namely me? k thanks. I thought you were saying my attempts to work with people were grotesque.

[Titus]

I'm heading now now. I may or may not be back tonight.

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Spoiler: First Wall for Titus!

You can say I am misreading things but when reality conflicts with players literal text to me, I am going to have a scumread. To me, it looks like Nacho scumread implosion and backed off the moment Implosion TRed you.

This is what happened, yes!
However, you seem to be pieces of context which I've talked about in here. You seem to be acting like this is something that happened midgame but it happened in the beginning stages when the game was just starting. If this is something that still bothers you, why not give it a full response? You gave it something along the lines of "agree to disagree" but I think it's perfectly possible for you to go more in depth than that - what is unbelievable about my making a not-serious vote on implosion early and then townreading him for his posting made after the vote?

It also feels Nacho decided you were town before you set foot in the thread.

This is a perfectly valid criticism, but I think that's a thought you would have if you were town in Gay Mafia with us as well!

It's D1 and I am open to being wrong, but replies like yours that essentially say plug your nose to our circle jerk are not helpful. I am curious about your other reads.

This is not quite was she was trying to say here.
Even though she says she can't understand your problems with my townread on you, she's not saying that she wants you to ignore the interactions between us. In fact, what she actually ended up saying was the complete opposite of "plug your nose to our circle jerk":

You can still ask him questions. You can still ask me questions. It feels wrong that if it's something you don't trust or can't understand that you're not poking at it or trying to understand.

I can understand feeling frustrated when it feels like you're not allowed to express what you believe without fear of starting a conflict or being shut down, but I don't believe that's what's happening here. Tammy's problem with your early game was precisely that you were plugging your nose to the circle jerk (which is an unfortunate misunderstanding); this posting is encouraging you to push, to prod, to sort your feelings because the town!Titus that we both know and love doesn't let things that bother her to this extent just fester. If you've been holding back sorting for Tammy's sake, then I believe it's a mistake and only contributing to your mutual frustration.

My reply. Great your here. I'd like you to a) elaborate on your Tammy read beyond she's town because I decided to TR my girlfriend or b) elaborate on your current reads. I don't believe Tammy has any reason to lie about your work schedule so you haven't been here (a wonder why she'd never give me the same courtesy) so I'll suppose you haven't been here.

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a) elaborate on your Tammy read beyond she's town because I decided to TR my girlfriend

Thats not what is happening Titus.

Sure seems like it to me, and Nacho asked for brutal. I think he's not hunting Tammy at all. I'd like him to prove me wrong though.

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Spoiler:

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(a wonder why she'd never give me the same courtesy)

Intimate knowledge of my schedule is a living together/dating courtesy type of thing so unless you're living in the back room with waffles or secretly cuckolding me then I'm not surprised that it's a courtesy being extended only to me.

Sure but lying about where you or someobe else is I regard as blacklistable

~ No more blacklist threats from either of you please. Keep it out of game thread. ~

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Nacho, your reads?

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All of that is fair!

Isoing does deprive context and makes it suboptimal.

Just following town reads also *can* be suboptimal because yes just because they're town doesn't mean they're right.

They're definitely imperfect solutions to trying to catchup in a game moving faster than you can dedicate to every post, but for day one at least it can be a stop-gap measure.

Some people take the view that as long as their town reads aren't lynched day one, they don't really care who is lynched since it's almost always a mislynch anyway, that's an imperfect view to have also, but it's one some players take.

I'm one of them.

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I still hate the Keyser wagon but I haven't been thrilled with his recent replies.

I still think Nacho and Tammy are using arrogance when they should say confidence and the whole thing is just unnecessarily insulting.

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VOTE: Keyser

Pretty clear we weren't lynching in my pool of decent lynches anyway. *shrug* If you want out, happy to oblige.

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Good luck Keyser.

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No worries.

Cheers Titus.

Last reads?

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Welcome to my death tunnel. Not happy.

VOTE: Titus

*shrug*

You could have actually stuck on Ari rather than dicking around voting obvtown to force players to play the way you wanted.

[Titus]

!!!!!!!!!

I'll take the silence as a scum lynch?

Naisuu

I'm taking it as a fuck the assholes, I only liked Titus anyway.

[Titus]

If you liked my reads you would have loved me this game fro99er.

State them again please.

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Look -- if you really are town, you also have some work to do instead of blaming everyone else.

You didn't work with anyone this game. You sat in your fucking tunnel hoping if you said the same thing over and over again people would listen.

that's not how you connect with other players.


But you're just gonna blame everyone else.

*shrug*

It's still my pool of five anyway.

Nacho better give reads tomorrow.

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Spoiler:

Look -- if you really are town, you also have some work to do instead of blaming everyone else.

You didn't work with anyone this game. You sat in your fucking tunnel hoping if you said the same thing over and over again people would listen.

that's not how you connect with other players.


But you're just gonna blame everyone else.

*shrug*

It's still my pool of five anyway.

Nacho better give reads tomorrow.

yah that was at keyser. Not mad at you titus <3

*shrug* It's what people with unpopular reads do to let others scumhunt and come around rather than be arrogant and toxic.

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CAN YOU STOP WITH THE SHRUGGING

*smirk* *shrug*

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You seriously give off that you don't actually care.

You KNOW I can find a whole scum team D1 but you stopped that right befor it happened.

You're showing you don't care and I believe that is you're true emotion because you're playing to win coin

I can too. But make more noise rather than listen or reconsider and blame it on shrugging. Really man. Displaying emotion in a clear, concise format doesn't block you from doing jackshit.

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No feedback.

Gee, people are wagoning me. Not surprised.

VOTE: Nacho

Still waiting on that reads list Nacho.

[Titus]

{Firebringer, Frogger, Aristophanes, Tammy, Ser Arthur Dayne}
{Gin, Alisae}
{Hikari Link}
{Titus, Prism}

Aristophanes as high town? You've got to be kidding me Nacho.

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I actually have nothing, I got a no result.
I wanted to see if someone was going to claim roleblocking me.

Scum may have one?

I really don't get you.

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I actually have nothing, I got a no result.
I wanted to see if someone was going to claim roleblocking me.

Scum may have one?

I really don't get you.

What do you mean?

Why claim here at all when you wouldn't be able to deduce who blocked you at all? Since the scum have a blocker, they know this, thus you're not going to get a pile on for scum. All it does is say Fire's a PR...

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Has any of your reads changed Titus San?

No. I was at a PoE pool yesterday. I'm at a PoE pool today. If I'm standing alone, I might as well vote a scumread I believe in.

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The fact that Tammy is alive today reinforces that she is correct here, in the sense that Nacho fooling her two days in a row is unlikely in his mind and he knows it.

Please, we all have an affinity for players we like.

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Fruit for Thought: Implosion claimed to scum!Gin.

I thought about this momentarily but then wouldn't that heavily implicate him?
And wouldn't gin prioritize someone else to kill way before just a jailkeeper?

He could learn who implosion was going to block or protect anyways.
I think this makes it more likely gin is town

There's no actual way to prove that Implosion claimed to Gin, so I don't see how it's incriminating.
Let's say he did learn who the JK was jailing. If Gin didn't like the target, Gin could kill the JK. If the JK was targetting town and scum!Gin was okay with it, they could leave the JK to their own devices. Also, Implosion could easily lie about who he was going to JK, but that's kinda early to be making plays like that because Implosion doesn't get much information about it.

But I am saying if he didn't claim to gin, why would he kill implosion?
If he did claim you could reasonable guess who implosion would block/protect I think.

So why would gin kill implosion or even approve of it?
I think it's unlikely.

Umm PR kill it? There doesn't seem to be evidence implosion told Gin so? This whole conversation feels wierd.

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I am pretty sure Titus is scum right now lol.
I just don't want to lynch her.

Five bucks says team is:
Alisae, Titus, Prism

I'd help you bus Alisae, otherwise my vote stays on Nacho.

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VOTE: Prism
Thank you for putting in those final thoughts Prism.
Appreciate you taking time out to do that.

Unfortunately I think your slot is scum, so I must lynch.

Why are you attacking everyone who TRs me?

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Fuck really, Prism getting replaced. Hot damn.

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I am pretty sure Titus is scum right now lol.
I just don't want to lynch her.

Five bucks says team is:
Alisae, Titus, Prism

I'd help you bus Alisae, otherwise my vote stays on Nacho.

I thought you were townreading Firebringer?

I'm joking around with him. He'll jokingly claim scum, I'll tell him which partner I want to bus.

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Since the scum have a blocker,

How do you know scum have a blocker?

Hypothetical assuming Fire town. Don't quote shit out of context Frogger. It's annoying.

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I really want to lynch Prism or Alisae today

Alisae and Ari are still good lynches to me Fire.

You're just going to have to vote there. Also Prism is getting replaced.

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Gin, Fro99er, Tammy, Nacho, SAD are all strong town reads.

I'd be fine with this but take out Gin and Nacho. Gin is a weak TR and Nacho obviously isn't.

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maybe I should just Desperado Titus.

Welcome to try but there are better shots if you're attached to that brain of yours, assuming you are. I hate being conftown.

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Since the scum have a blocker,

How do you know scum have a blocker?

Hypothetical assuming Fire town. Don't quote shit out of context Frogger. It's annoying.

Why couldn't he have been blocked/protected by implosion?

He was supposing he wasn't. The whole point of the dialogue was Fire's thing made no sense from any perspective.

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VOTE: Alisae

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Actually no.
Fuck this.
Claiming 1-shot Novice Desperado.

Bombard: Boonskiies

Bye scum.

What's the point in quoting this? It already shows you fakeclaimed once before.

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Alisae if you're town you'd be working with me not fake claiming vig/desperado here.

PEdit where are your crumbs

Why the hell would anyone crumb desperado? That's worse than crumbing doctor.

Second, if you think Alisae would crumb that, he already claimed 1-shot Novice desperado on D1. That's a desperado that cannot be used d1.

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@Alisae, yeah scum doctors crumb doc. Town ones don't. The closest town docs should come unless town implodes is sheep this guy, after a no kill.

Desperadoes don't exactly need to hint at results. So why crumb there at all?

@Frogger,

It's on the wiki.

If Alisae Desperadoes you, if you're town, she dies.
If you're scum, you die.
p-edit 6 times jeezus

[Titus]

I'm pretty confident that Aristophanes is town; this is outside of his scum range. Mind talking to me about what you find off about Fire?

Lurking is outside is scum range?

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Aristophanes has just been less active all over, not sure thats a tell on him anymore.

It certainly doesn't warrant being a high TR though.

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Spoiler:

Wait...when did SAD get in here!?

What in the everloving fuck did I do!?
XD XD XD

Your reads? P.s. SAD was rb.

Fire replaced out? That's sad. He was the RB slot right? Oh well, fresh player to read at least.

Oh, and Titus, I still don't get the point of saying SAD replaced the wrong slot. I let you get away with it to see reactions, and you seem to think it makes me scum. Can you explain it better?

This is not natural thought progression.

I think you're a cool person Ari but this is not town logic whatsoever.

Well then I'm town with scum logic...
Awkward.

I just checked and your boonskiies vote is 40 pages old.

And you say nothing is evolving.

How do you just want things to get done if you're not actively pushing for a change.

Like it's easy to say "not much seems to be changing or evolving". Town you wouldn't be satisfied with that and would be pushing for an active change. And trust me, I understand the lazy-scum feeling more than anything.

Okay, and I'm missing another chunk in those 40 pages. I'm honestly not satisfied with just saying that nothing is that I, but I don't have the game knowledge to question people atm, nor a read strong enough to push.

If I were lazy scum I would look extremely different in these posts. I have a long history of horrible scumgames where I don't post. This is not the case here!

You just say you're behind

you're not making a conscious effort to TRY or give something for people to work with unless you're probed to death by people.

Well, I am.

I'm trying to form reads and be helpful but I'm not finding much to poke at in my catchups. Everyone is saying things but I find little of it helpful and mist of it just repeats what they said before! Loke, for a game with this many posts, not much seems to be changing or evolving!

How do people think I'm scum??

I've been behind the whole game. Literally have not been caught up once. What do you think that does for one's reads!?
Do you seriously think that AriScum comes in and picks a fight with Boon like that? Or that I openly admit I skimmed or skipped any long posts?

I'm 7 more behind btw on top of the rest. It's a shit reason to scumread me.

It's not even hard if you're actually scumhunting to look at a page and get gut vibes or w/e for different people that you can use at a starting point.

Nah, I can survive without talking points. I just look at the posts this game and feel nothing to swing me either way. None of it feels AI even though it probably should! I'll get there, don't worry. I just haven't felt it yet.

These posts felt decently good from Aristophanes. I'm just not sure that Aristophanes as caught scum goes wait why are people scum reading me? There's some earlier posts that felt decently cheeky as well, but these are just some more recent ones that I liked and I need to get back to grading finals.

There's nothing really different in those posts from college mafia where he was a serial killer.

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No, i still think Titus is very likely to be scum. I was hoping if she was actually town that she would do something today that would help me see that. So far, I haven't seen anything to change my suspicions.

If you have asked me anything else, I'm sorry I missed it. I've been trying to get these grades finalized and have been kind of jumping in when I'm taking a quick break from grading, so if I missed something please ask me again.

Nothing will help you see that you're wrong on me other than lying to you and claiming Nacho's town when he isn't.

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Its weird how many people i am townreading for scumreading me.

You frankly shouldn't. You're obvtown. So is infinity.

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TITUS COME IN HERE. I NEED YOUR HELP!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Hi. You don't need my help. Tonal reading and hypocricsy signs are really showing the answer here. I just feel defeated that no one will actually do it.

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Titus are you really arrogant enough to think that the majority of the town, most of whom know nacho well, including tammy who knows him incredibly well, are all wrong on the read?

Who is the majority of town you speak of?

Second, confidence not arrogance. Nacho still hasn't sorted anyone and is coastong while we rip our heads off.

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Town =/= correct.

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Ari might be active enough to be not scum now.

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Its weird how many people i am townreading for scumreading me.

You frankly shouldn't. You're obvtown. So is infinity.

You know Titus, if you are scum this is your way of incriminating me lol.

You said you needed my help. I'm here, I'm not dealing with this insinuating crap.

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VOTE: Gin

If I will die, I will at least resort you. I probably should fight more so town has a shot of maybe lynching nacho on day 50 but my give a fuck is low.

[Titus]

You said you needed my help. I'm here, I'm not dealing with this insinuating crap.

luv u *hugs Titus*

*hugs Fire*

[Titus]

I also don't like how you can suddenly read me right away now when you've misread me quite a few times in the past.

There's some paranoia missing in your reads here.

Nah for anyone familiar with you from accounting mafia there really isn't needing anyway, add in Frogger obvious town

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Titus are you really arrogant enough to think that the majority of the town, most of whom know nacho well, including tammy who knows him incredibly well, are all wrong on the read?

Who is the majority of town you speak of?

Second, confidence not arrogance. Nacho still hasn't sorted anyone and is coastong while we rip our heads off.

Me, gin, tammy, I assume ari as well. Probably other people too

Yeah i tr you and tammy. Not so sure on the others.

Quantity also doesn't make a read right.

Remember when I compromised away from you in accounting?

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People trust Desperado? Why? Did I miss something?

Scum are basically just attacking me in lieu of scumhunting. I was voting Desperado, therefore he's trustworthy. There's no reason behind his place as he hasn't engaged.

[Titus]

Leon is shitting away my tr there

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Spoiler:

No, i still think Titus is very likely to be scum. I was hoping if she was actually town that she would do something today that would help me see that. So far, I haven't seen anything to change my suspicions.

If you have asked me anything else, I'm sorry I missed it. I've been trying to get these grades finalized and have been kind of jumping in when I'm taking a quick break from grading, so if I missed something please ask me again.

Nothing will help you see that you're wrong on me other than lying to you and claiming Nacho's town when he isn't.

I'm open to being wrong on you I've made that very clear, but you've not shown me that and it has nothing to do with your bad read on Nacho. You can keep calling him scum when he isn't, but that's not going to make him scum.

You can also discredit my read all you want and you can say he's just coasting, but there are several people in this game who've seen me doubt and scum read a nacho that was barely present and not doing the things he should be doing. This is not an affinity read, this is not a I'm letting nacho get by read, this is a I know what town nacho looks like and he's town read.

Great, then I will find his partners and work around you when I feel like it.

You pushed through a lynch in my townblock yesterday and you still basically won't listen and I know it so I am going to try to work with Infinity and Fire. Probably more tomorrow.

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@Tammy, You don't have to be on a wagon to ensure a piece of shit wagon goes through. You aren't on me now, but no one in their right mind doubts you're pushing me.

P.S. Gin is probably scum. The reaction to me voting him is melodramatic and fake.

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I think the scumteam is leon/titus/hikari

Swap me for Gin and this isn't horrible.

I would swap Nacho for Leon though based on earlier play.

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Never lynch Fire, Infinity, SAD, Tammy. That's the real townblock even if I get shouted down.

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Lol, I'm starting to think only scum will say what I say sounds fake. It's such a shit accusation because you're not fighting my argument because you know you're fucked. All you're doing is this weak ass attempts to discredit me to try and get the lynch off you.

What argument?

There hasn't been one. It's all circlejerking while doing zero scumhunting. Hell Nacho even admitted he's done nothing today. Yet, you're trying to rile people up so he doesn't have to.

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I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

[Titus]

Cat got your tongue Gin?

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Votecount 2.06

Titus (4)

~ TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

Nachommama8

, Infinity 324, Ser Arthur Dayne

Desperado (1)

~ Firebringer

Firebringer (1)

~ Desperado

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)

~ Titus

Not voting (4)

~

Leonshade

, Kelvin Smith, Aristophanes, Tammy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-05-25 18:15:00).

Any reason certain players are italicized?

This is for you mod

~ Refer to the OP: V/LA. ~

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Cat got your tongue Gin?

lol mothers day

Does mother's day prevent you from commenting on the accuracy of my townreads? It doesn't prevent you ftom posting.

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I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

Also you're town block town reads me so what the fuck am I supposed to be scared of?

Well the fact you haven't exactly said I was right or wrong does speak volumes.

It's not my problem if no one buys the correct answer and listens to you basically shouting nothing.

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Also the accuracy of reads is a bullshit way to try to sell yourself as town.

Why?

because when someone is scum, I can almost promise you that they are 100% accurate on who is and isn't town.

Yes, scum always bus with 100% accuracy. Great, let's not play.

Do you care to engage with substance or do you intend to throw mud and strawman? I'm waiting on your comments regarding who is town and who isn't.

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You know Titus doesn't lie when she is scum, I want to point that out.
She will say something that is true but look at it from a different point of view.

The fact she sees this in such a way that is just wrong, I kind of think that makes it less scummy?

It isn't wrong.

The argument is Tammy didn't push shit because she wasn't on the Keyser wagon.
Tammy's not on my wagon, but she's clearly pushing me. There's no difference between the two.
Fire, what do you think of my townblock?

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The argument is Tammy didn't push shit because she wasn't on the Keyser wagon.
Tammy's not on my wagon, but she's clearly pushing me. There's no difference between the two.

You were saying she effectively pushed Keyser wagon by not acting?
How does that make any sense.

THROUGH INACTION YOU ARE THE CAUSE OF THESE EVENTS!

Like no...you could have pushed something else yourself but you weren't interested, how can you blame this on Tammy of all people?

Please, I pushed Nacho, Implosion, Alisae and Ari. Town weren't interested. I was trying, and I detest D1. I just didn't have the proof to actually PROVE said slots were not good. I was wrong on implosion. I know that much.

Tammy shaded Keyser because Tammy felt no one could defend me. I don't even remember who she's voted, but her suspects miraculously are all players who defended me.

I didn't cause shit. I said Keyser was town and gave him peace from this game.

Please Fire. Don't put me in the position that if I let town scumhunt that I'm somehow responsible for bad wagons occurring because I don't spam them down.

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Fire, what do you think of my townblock?

I don't honestly care about a Townblock at this moment in time.

Do you think the reads there are correct?

[Titus]

Do you think the reads there are correct?

Town doesn't ask for approval. You push what you believe in.

Again, you're dodging giving reads. I am not asking for approval. I am asking to sort you. You're more interested in spam than discussion.

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The keyser wagon was Frogger's baby not mine. I thought it was fine and a good wagon, but I did not push it through.

Also, I don't care if anyone defends Titus. I haven't had a problem when anyone has defended Titus this game. I thought Keyser in particular was going about it in a weird way. I thought he was scum white knighting her and it made me doubt my scum read on Titus. Several people have defended Titus this game and I've listened to what they said.

So it's a coincidence that your scumreads were all defending me? You didn't reanalyze your reads but you listened. This wagon is parked because you let it and people are kissing your butt.

Just don't lynch my town my townreads.

[Titus]

Please, I pushed Nacho, Implosion, Alisae and Ari. Town weren't interested. I was trying, and I detest D1. I just didn't have the proof to actually PROVE said slots were not good. I was wrong on implosion. I know that much.

and Ari, and on Nacho.

You have a like a 20% chance on Alisae

This is not analysis.

[Titus]

Also it's not about my TRs.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

Also you're town block town reads me so what the fuck am I supposed to be scared of?

Also the accuracy of reads is a bullshit way to try to sell yourself as town.

Why?

because when someone is scum, I can almost promise you that they are 100% accurate on who is and isn't town.

I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

Also you're town block town reads me so what the fuck am I supposed to be scared of?

Well the fact you haven't exactly said I was right or wrong does speak volumes.

It's not my problem if no one buys the correct answer and listens to you basically shouting nothing.

Speak what fucking volume?

Use those words to E L A B O R A T E

Also the accuracy of reads is a bullshit way to try to sell yourself as town.

Why?

because when someone is scum, I can almost promise you that they are 100% accurate on who is and isn't town.

Yes, scum always bus with 100% accuracy. Great, let's not play.

Do you care to engage with substance or do you intend to throw mud and strawman? I'm waiting on your comments regarding who is town and who isn't.

I dont give a flying fuck and we all don't about who you think is town until you prove how you didn't hammer Keyser and how you're fucking shading Tammy by saying she pushed the D1 lynch will mind you, your scum reads are Leon, Hikari and myself.

None of this states your reads on my town block.

[Titus]

NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT THAT, MOVE ON TO WHY WE THINK YOU'RE SCUM

Yeah that's been discussed ad nauseum. I want to discuss your reads because I think you don't have any.

You act as if you don't care but getting substantive reads shouldn't piss you off.

[Titus]

SAD? WE FUCKING PRAISE THE SUN TOGETHER AND DOUBLE VOTE

Ari? WOW IT'S LIKE I SAID I DON'T THINK ARI COULD SCUM READ ME AS SCUM

Nacho? You're fucking joking about that scum read

Tammy? Same as fucking Nacho, no way in hell is there a damn scum read.

Infinity? I'm waiting till endgame to see how long he lasts because he's bloody obv!scum in endgame play.

None of this is analysis.

[Titus]

You happy now Titus? Now answer the damn accusations against yourself cuz you're being annoying dodging this shit by going READS READS TELL ME READS

No. I want the guy from the town game with Lexa and PradaDevil.

[Titus]

You can't deflect shit any harder can you?

That's what you're doing and avoiding the work of sorting.

[Titus]

I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS

IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO FUCKING SORT YOU TITUS

You are tunnelling me. You said so. You want to sort me, ask me something to get my thoughts. I don't care for your accusations.

[Titus]

PAGE 130 I ASK YOU A MULTITUDE OF QUESTIONS AND THEY ALL ANALYZE AND GIVE THOUGHTS ON YOUR PLAY AND HOW I THINK THEY ARE SCUM


For the love of all that is holy stop saying I'm not doing shit when I'm literally trying to do it with you. It's bullshit.

Yeah there's nothing about reads on 130. My stance on my wagon is clear. Nacho's scum. Y'all don't like it.

[Titus]

NO ONE ELSE, ONLY YOU, YOU HAVE MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION WITH ME TRYING TO SORT YOU AND YOU WON'T FUCKING TALK TO ME ABOUT YOU

Yeah, that's a waste of time. I'm town. I've been talked about to death. The insistance on repeating the same questions only helps scum. I've answered them. My thoughts on my wagon are known. My reads are known. No one cares.

I sort you by talking about things that matter.

[Titus]

You know for a fact that when I'm town I control the game's lynches. There is no way I'm letting you live unless you work out a town read on me.

So none of this is a waste of time because I'm in the game and you know of my ability to pushes lynches through.

Great. Then, you'll need to actually discuss reads with me or write me off as a policy lynch and drive the game off a cliff if you're town.

I can't work with someone who thinks he's better than me.

P.S. That's why we lost the other game. I told you the scum, you ignored me. I went out of my way to prove it. You ignored me. Why should I treat this as different?

[Titus]

Alrighty die in silence

Fine. If you're going to talk at me instead of to me, I'd prefer silence.

Then, you'll see I was right all along.

[Titus]

VOTE: Nacho

[Titus]

VOTE: Nacho

Titus used Nacho vote!

It wasn't very effective...

How does rubbing my face in the fact that people are ignoring me help anyone find scum?

[Titus]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Nacho

Titus used Nacho vote!

It wasn't very effective...

How does rubbing my face in the fact that people are ignoring me help anyone find scum?

I somewhat agree here, it wasn't exactly necessary, Gin.

Also, I caught up but I have nothing else to say until I Iso Dive, and that's not on the menu tonight.

Titus, if someone from the townblock is playing us all for fools, who is it and why?
I know Nacho and Gin are your main contenders there, but I'm curious if you have insight on their bamboozling of the group (should they in fact be scum).

Not sure what you're really asking here. Are you asking how Nacho is providing no substance here? I can't quote anything but dodges. Gin might be town, I don't know. I'm not as sure on him and him being a stubborn deflector didn't help matters. Hiraki hasn't done anything since subbing in other than their terrible OMGUS of me (although he voted first I think).

There's just nothing to engage with because scum aren't engaging the thread.

[Titus]

Nacho is posting no substance because he's not here...

It's been almost two whole game days. Obviously he's vla now but he wasn't d1. He promised more and nothing.

[Titus]

That's not a scumtell and you should know that.

No Nacho will not scumslip. The closest anyone will get is indicators.

[Titus]

Nacho is posting no substance because he's not here...

It's been almost two whole game days. Obviously he's vla now but he wasn't d1. He promised more and nothing.

i mean you'd have plenty of content from me yesterday if you didn't quickhammer a member of your townblock

Nice try. You have time to give content if you have time to insult me for hammering someone who wanted out.

@Tammy, Town because I say so means nothing. Give me something I can use.

[Titus]

If I could produce content as quickly as I could produce sick burns, I would have won Paragon every year since I joined this website.

Fucks given, zero. Statements believed, zero.

I'll wait for your content, as with how slow and pointless this is, you should have no problem.

[Titus]

and also it's not an insult to say that you quickhammered a member of your townblock because
you quickhammered a member of your townblock

it's not an insult to say you prevented me from following through - you may not know this but you'll know it post game unless you imagine i'm a liar as town - i would have been able to follow up with content the next day if given a little more time

and if i were scum here, you gave me the keys to the castle - you meant that i didn't have to respond to keyser's last post, you gave me a free shiny path today, and you gave me the means to yank the foundation of your suspicion from underneath me when the alternative would be you holding my feet to the fire, and you were the one who enabled me to do nothing for approximately 168 hours. you say that you let someone who wanted out of the game out - but possible his opinion would have changed once people's views of him changed, a lynch is never just decided like that but you robbed him of his chance to show his townie soul at pretty much the most vital moment.

It is. It was. You have more intent to blame me for your lack of content than making any.

[Titus]

Lol Titus shut up for real. You experienced first hand how we fucking busted your slot in Days of Yore mafia.

The very last day of D1 we found out your slot was scum and we produced content. You didn't want us to derail a wagon or anything.


Straight fucking lies

That would require me to be in Days of Yore mafia. I do not recall that game.

That's not a scumtell and you should know that.

No Nacho will not scumslip. The closest anyone will get is indicators.

FIRE STRAIGHT CALLED HIS ASS OUT SO HARD IN LAUNDRY MAFIA THAT HE HAD THE BALLS TO FAKE A GUILTY ON NACHO

....and Fire was right

Fake guilties stop scumhunting and are something that should almost never be done. It's not about balls, it's about respect.

Again, you deflect and take this tone with me. IF you're town, I'm presuming you would have learned from the game with Devil and actually do something other than chastize me for my opinion. You have no interest in engaging me and letting me reveal my towniness in the only way I can. So please be silent and not put forth gibberish.

[Titus]

Firebringer what do you think of Titus's disinterested response to her wagon? It's the same thing as yesterday when I tried to work with her where she was ignoring the wagon and here she doesn't really feel like she's responding to the wagon or the points people are bringing against her but rather staying in this vacuum of static reads. I'm not at the same point as Tammy on Nacho but I know he's super busy right now and hopefully when he's back me and him can have a nice chat where I feel ~super confident~ on him.

I don't wanna jinx the Leon catch up (or if Desperado ever plans on starting to dig in..) but I do think Titus might fit into the Leon/Desperado/Titus triangle scumteam p nicely and that Leon just said that for town points on the Desperado scumflip.

And if Titus flips scum it will also put aside any paranoia I have that I'm being pocked by my friendo Gin because I don't see that argument as scum vs scum.

Defending yourself means you're losing, particularly when there flat out is no point beyond that people disagree with my push on Nacho.

I'd do Desperado as shown with my vote, but that is for the same reasons as Nacho but Nacho had the weird interaction for.

I cannot interact with what doesn't exist. No one has given me a valid reason beyond Nacho read is stale. Guess what, my read stays the same or degrades based on a slot vanishing.

[Titus]

What if we lynched Desperado?!?!?!?!?!?

Think about it.

Why not Nacho? Both are lurky and Nacho is much more defensive... :/

[Titus]

Why not Nacho? Both are lurky and Nacho is much more defensive... :/

Nacho is on V/LA because of life stuff.......
Come on Titus, we aren't lynching Nacho. I am pretty sure he is town here.

He's not V/LA enough to throw pointless insults.

[Titus]

Whatever, I see that Nacho gets away with being obvious scum here.

VOTE: Desperado

[Titus]

Whatever, I see that Nacho gets away with being obvious scum here.

VOTE: Desperado

How the fuck is he obvious scum Titus!?
I don't see it at all!

We've been over this for about 3000 fucking posts. He's done nothing. He'll continue to do nothing, but as long as it's just me, he's never getting lynched.

[Titus]

THATS BULLSHIT AND I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT AND YOU IGNORE IT TITUS

You've yelled the same damn thing for 30 fucking pages doesn't make it true. I've acknowledged Nacho is VLA now, but he's never going to do anything useful because you fuckers keep spamming and then wonder why I'm not interacting with spam.

[Titus]

Whatever, I see that Nacho gets away with being obvious scum here.

VOTE: Desperado

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UNVOTE:

Fucking a. Seriously Fire. There's only a handful of players on this wagon and you backing off because I am on something means we'll never get a fucking decent lynch off the ground.

VOTE: Nacho

If I'm toxic to any decent wagon, I might as well vote the one I want.

[Titus]

I don't trust you right now Titus

Yeah, but if you agreed on my reads you would trust me.

There's nothing I can do when I've been shouted down as if I was a piece of shit.

Nacho is scum. Desp might be scum. My town block is town. Until players do things, my reads will stagnate. I don't have an innocent child in my pocket.

All I have is trying to actually lynch scum while having Tammy talk down to me that I should automatically sheep her because she is probably town.

[Titus]

He literally talked to Hikari about how he catches up in lot and writes posts then rather than traditional post by post catchuos. His lack of co tribution is therefore understands.

Ok please make your grammar readable.

Second, I've played with Nacho. I know how he catches up, can you not talk down to me?

The issue is he's done nothing and almost every other slot is town. So no, it isn't rock solid that Nacho's scum. Gamestate suggests scum are sitting back. Why not?

[Titus]

I am not shouting you down or treating you like shit Titus

You're one of the few that's true of.

[Titus]

Titus - I'm not talking down to you, I am open to listening to any other read you have. I know that Nacho will be here and produce content when he has a chance, and maybe then you will see that he is definitely town, but this is a read that I am very confident in.

Just as a thought experiment, please consider that Nacho is town. Who are your scum reads if Nacho is town?

My reads don't change.

Most everyone here and active is town but maaaybe Gin but Gin's tude is something he does present as town and it infuriates me. He's still insisting Nacho's producing content and basically has resorted to spamming but Nacho walled, you suck, engage the wagon on you, for 10 pages.

How do your reads change if Nacho is scum?

[Titus]

Nacho's ISO exists.

Can you please just shut up about Nacho's fluff posting? K thanks. If I thought there was something worth engaging in his ISO, I would have engaged it as it would provide evidence to prove Nacho's alignment.

Now, assume Nacho scum, what are your reads? Desp scum? Hiraki scum?

[Titus]

@Gin,

Anyone can make long posts. Nacho's post as a whole don't move the gamestate forward. *shrug* If it doesn't move the gamestate forward, it's fluff or spam. He's not focused on finding scum, he's tearing apart other theories, getting into mafia discussion fights, and not doing anything useful. I could say the same thing I just said in 200+ words with hyperlinks but I'm lazy.

[Titus]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

You're not the only one who thinks a few long winded useless posts = content that reads can be derived from.

[Titus]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

You're not the only one who thinks a few long winded useless posts = content that reads can be derived from.

I don't consider discussing and explaining your reads useless. It looks like your argument is that Nacho hasn't been a proactive player (the one pushing lynches forward and whatnot), but I disagree that he hasn't contributed. Talking about your reads and your thought process is town 101, under no circumstances can it be considered fluff.

If that's what he did, I'd agree. Yet, all of it is hedging or conditioning on things that just aren't true. He's not displaying a thought process at all, nor is he proactive.

[Titus]

I'm lazy.

Don't be

Then, you'll need to actually discuss reads with me

Don't be lazy and bitch to me earlier about not talking about other reads.

Your reason and refusal to have a civil discussion is why I'm apathetic.

[Titus]

I even broke down to the point of ignoring you and talking about reads and one of them being Nacho.

Shall I take the crumbs of you talking down to me as an earnest discussion?

[Titus]

@Titus:

I voted implosion for this, but it was a tongue in cheek vote; I had a different read on Tammy than he did but that had nothing to do with my read on him. I liked his read on me here but my townread on him didn't coalesce until this exchange; his position on Tammy seemed town to me because he was putting unreasonable pressure on someone who wasn't going to be a likely mislynch and I didn't think he'd do that as scum since he'd probably be expecting pushback from it which I don't think that he would be comfortable with.

From there, my read on him has only strengthened - this post adds a nuance to the Alisae scumread that I don't think he'd think to fake as scum, this post I'm probably townreading more than I should but it came after he voted Frogger immediately after I was thinking of asking him what he thought of Frogger, then thought to myself "man, if he's scum here I'm going to cry" and then refreshed the page and hey here's him with a similar read on me - I know it's not an insane thing to fake as scum and could be entirely coincidental but the feeling of being so perfectly in sync is too strong to shake, and the way his Alisae read is developing also seems genuine.

I agree with 573 and mostly think that your point on him is misunderstanding what he said.

He literally breaks down his thought process and reads progression post by post

This post is hedging. He starts off giving reasons why implosion is town, but ends with statements saying "I'm probably townreading more than I should", "not an insane thing to fake" "could be entirely coincidental". Nacho's arguing out of both sides of his mouth. He does this with any post where he provides content. Basically the only thing he really does in his ISO is defend Alisae and that's a stretch.

[Titus]

Definition of hedging to you and how it defines a scummy play?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth, leaving an exit hatch. That is a scum indicator. Just like lurking. Just like needlessly harrassing people.

[Titus]

I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it.

So a post like this would be hedging, indicating scum?

Depends on the context but it would be worth enquiring further. Was it day 1, day 5? Did the player take stances later on?

No one is going to know the answer flawlessly really early, but the thing is do they try. Can they be held accountable?

[Titus]

Context it's D1

Almost Chara - I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it. I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move (takes away a fakeclaim from scum for basically no reason) although I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary". Might be a stronger townread if I had any idea what he was doing at all.

See, when you provide the context, this isn't a hedge. This is a weak townread. The author thinks that Almost claiming VT is more likely to be a town move that the author doesn't understand. You can tell what the author's next move should be as town. Push Almost for reasons or see if those reasons develop and follow through.

That type of thought in Nacho's posts is missing.

[Titus]

So how do you determine the difference between hedging and figures of speech?

Can you hold someone to a position or will they weasel out of it? Does their content help solve the game? Do their reads have reasons beyond "trust me", "I know better than you", etc.?

[Titus]

I know it's not an insane thing to fake as scum and could be entirely coincidental

but the feeling of being so perfectly in sync is too strong to shake,

The bolded is hedging by what you showed me but does the underlined not negate the fact that Nacho is declaring it a hard stance to the point where it's an unchangeable position?

The only way that could be interpreted as a hard stance is interpreting that Nacho doesn't want to TR implosion, hence the shake off comment. That's contradictory to Nacho's entire tone this game thus invalid interpretation or scum anyway.

Can we stop theorycrafting now and discuss reads? Like I can do a semantics guide to explain the rules of statutory interpretation but I need to see this getting somewhere other than an increase in Hormel's stock price.

[Titus]

Desp, who is scum? I find your rythym analysis correct. One scum on, two off. I find Nacho is that scum. Who do you think?

[Titus]

It's somewhat amusing that so many pages are being wasted discrediting nachos efforts and reads, and by amusing its obnoxious and doing literally nothing to advance the game state at all, which looks to me to be the point. It's nothing but a distraction. He's town, that's all. If you're town, you're wasting your time.

It's also somewhat amusing that it seems every game when I tell the people the game what alignment nacho is, that I get told I'm wrong by people who don't even know what makes nacho town or scum.

I can beat this drum all day long, the read is not going to change.

Great, then we can agree to disagree. This type of post tells me you're not open to a dialogue. I agree discussing my Nacho read is a waste of time as no one will follow but brow beating me seems to be all anyone is interested in.

[Titus]

actually

Vote: Kelvin Smith

feel this vote will be more interesting

I'll help you bus.

VOTE: Kelvin Smith

[Titus]

Great, then we can agree to disagree. This type of post tells me you're not open to a dialogue. I agree discussing my Nacho read is a waste of time as no one will follow but brow beating me seems to be all anyone is interested in.

As I've you before, I'm perfectly happy to discuss any other read with you. You haven't listened to my reasons on Nacho and you never will. You will never change my mind on this read, but I'm happy to talk about absolutely anyone else.

How about discussing your Kelvin read and following it up with a nice vote?

[Titus]

I feel like I've been talking about my concerns on Kelvin since yesterday. I'll vote when I'm sure Nacho's done catching up and giving his thoughts. I remember yesterday, don't want a repeat.

Great, then who would you like to talk about?

[Titus]

Hikari still felt ~genuine~ and the lost/confusion felt more coming from a mindset of trying to scumhunt but being obstructed as opposed to her using it as a tool to hide behind.

Also interested to hear why this is such a strong townread of yours.

Because it feels like a mislynch scum are keeping on the sidelines because they know she won't really defend herself because of a combination of inexperience and confusion from this game. Also it feels like the way she plays is a replica of the "past", the old style heavy analysis low ~emotional~ play, which is more easily pushed because someone won't be screaming against their lynch and easier to ignore the walls and logical posts.

What really bothered me is how easily Titus got on the wagon. She has ignored Hikari for like ever which feels like a mislynch she's keeping on the sidelines ready to pull whenever, which she's now sheeping you on.

Early game I got the town vibes from Hikari because it reminded me a lot of my early ways of playing where I used to do a bunch of shit and people used to ignore me and push me as an easy mislynch. The effort scumhunt is there but is being overshadowed by a lack of yelling and intensity the current site meta is doing.

Shrug. I have three SRs, Desperado, Nacho, and Hiraki. I've been SRing Hiraki forever.

[Titus]

Shrug. I have three SRs, Desperado, Nacho, and Hiraki. I've been SRing Hiraki forever.

Yeah but you haven't been interacting with him at all. Which is "in my bag mislynch I shall pull whenever is convenient" feels. Especially because you put the "blame" of the mislynch of Nacho with the "I'll help you buss".

I haven't interacted with any of them. They aren't here. They aren't producing content and I'm just voting whichever has the most votes and waiting on players to catch up.

[Titus]

Oh, cool, we're finally talking about me. Maybe I can actually get Titus to respond to any of the things I've said to her. And seeing as she's not L-2 anymore...

VOTE: Titus

Questions? Comments? Concerns? I'm an open book.

*shrug* I've already answered everything you asked.

I want to know your reads rather than rehashing stuff.

[Titus]

Figures we can't get two scum bussing the third very long.

[Titus]

Hikari still felt ~genuine~ and the lost/confusion felt more coming from a mindset of trying to scumhunt but being obstructed as opposed to her using it as a tool to hide behind.

Also interested to hear why this is such a strong townread of yours.

Because it feels like a mislynch scum are keeping on the sidelines because they know she won't really defend herself because of a combination of inexperience and confusion from this game. Also it feels like the way she plays is a replica of the "past", the old style heavy analysis low ~emotional~ play, which is more easily pushed because someone won't be screaming against their lynch and easier to ignore the walls and logical posts.

What really bothered me is how easily Titus got on the wagon. She has ignored Hikari for like ever which feels like a mislynch she's keeping on the sidelines ready to pull whenever, which she's now sheeping you on.

Early game I got the town vibes from Hikari because it reminded me a lot of my early ways of playing where I used to do a bunch of shit and people used to ignore me and push me as an easy mislynch. The effort scumhunt is there but is being overshadowed by a lack of yelling and intensity the current site meta is doing.

Shrug. I have three SRs, Desperado, Nacho, and Hiraki. I've been SRing Hiraki forever.

...

and not gin?

...

Gin is annoying the ever loving fuck out of me, I'd lynch him but I don't have him as a strong SR or TR.

[Titus]

Wait Titus, how the fuck am I not a strong town read?

I have doubts on you repeating the last game we were in together as town. Town you is smart and I presume you would have learned something.

[Titus]

Or just don't read and make content from here? Just do things.

[Titus]

Intelligent amazing gameshaking words that get scum lynched.

[Titus]

Hey Titus!
I'm sorry you're not having fun this game.

Me too. Regardless of alignment, it should be fun and you're being an awesome sport about me scumreading you. I always did like that about you Nacho.

[Titus]

Lately people just don't talk to each other though.

[Titus]

yeah not feeling impressed by his catchup so far

I'm not either, but I am pretty demoralized in general with mafia so. *shrug*

[Titus]

Prism was just pretty obvious town.

[Titus]

I also abandoned a tunnel on you in accounting mafia.

[Titus]

Ftr I was town there.

Please, don't try to treat me as a simplistic village idiot so you can ignore me. If you're going to, just leave out the idiot part. Not required to discredit people you disagree with.

[Titus]

Ftr I was town there.

Please, don't try to treat me as a simplistic village idiot so you can ignore me. If you're going to, just leave out the idiot part. Not required to discredit people you disagree with.

this isn't what's happening with either of us

Then what purpose does you circle jerking about my meta with town Infinity and town Tammy serve?

Let's get on with lynching scum. Deadline is coming soon.

[Titus]

working through our read on you.

Great. Sure. Posture some more. *shrug* You and I both know that this theory circle jerk lets Kelvin and Desperado hide.

[Titus]

Not like I can stop you, nor should I.

[Titus]

please don't do that thing where you get really impatient for the day to end immediately and guide town to a worse set of lynches/shots as a result

Hey they've been better lately. In Civ, I had a flawless scumpool but was driven mad. I was pretty hot for awhile.

[Titus]

legitimately your biggest flaw as a player

Nah, my biggest flaw was not realizing when the day needed to end and tried to force my number 1 lynch. I am not doing that.

[Titus]

I did enjoy your sales pitch!

And I do really think desp is scum.

But I think that wagon has like 0 steam to go through for some reason because people continuously keep townreading that slot for ???? reasons.

Zero steam my ass.

VOTE: Desp

[Titus]

Your ass has steam?

I got steam coming out my ears. :-p

[Titus]

Hmm, not sure if all 3 scum would be bussing each other now.

But idk who else would be scum.

And don't say desp cause it's not.

Sorry. Desp/Hiraki/Nacho.

[Titus]

I'll be out today mostly.

[Titus]

Meh, if you're going to wagon me do it. I'm obviously town but I am never getting Nacho lynched.

Camn, one of my reads yesterday must have been wrong. Why are you town?

[Titus]

Camn, one of my reads yesterday must have been wrong. Why are you town?

I thought hikari was one of your scumreads

Is your only scumread seriously nacho.

I forgot camn with Hiraki.

[Titus]

Camn, one of my reads yesterday must have been wrong. Why are you town?

I thought hikari was one of your scumreads

Is your only scumread seriously nacho.

I forgot camn with Hiraki.

Hi can you please vote Leon so he can be ~pressured~ and claim and stuff

Meh, I don't like Leon for scum though. I'll think about it.

Why can't we do Nacho or camn?

[Titus]

I'll claim today, but not just yet. I at least want everyone to check in before I claim.

Fake claims are always a bitch to make aren't they?

Leon's not in claim range though?

[Titus]

OH SHIT GAME HASN'T BEEN OPEN FOR TWO DAYS YET

LET'S QUICK LYNCH

YOU''RE ALL LIKE RABID FUCKING DOGS.

NO WONDER I HATE PLAYNG AT THIS FUCKING SITE THESE DAYS.

Hi. Basically the site has devolved a lot lately. I got my flaws but I try here. *olive branch*

[Titus]

P.s. if no protective role, sad scum.
Lynch nacho/camn

Third might be gin/sad but I don't want to believe it.

We should have gotten Leon's claim.

Maybe he can out his results before lock

[Titus]

I like you so much better when you play like you did as Arya Arthur. Not so much when you play like this and Gay mafia.

Tammy I have to model and adapt my play to fit site meta

Be the change you want to see.
Do not blame bad behavior on others saying you did it to fit in.

[Titus]

P.s. if no protective role, sad scum.
Lynch nacho/camn

Third might be gin/sad but I don't want to believe it.

We should have gotten Leon's claim.

Maybe he can out his results before lock

Why do you think he has results?

Because he specifically mentioned he did....he didn't necessarily say the word results but he suddenly wants to claim and implies it would shake things up and now he's quicklynched...

[Titus]

I love how I am suggested as partners with camn and then have others tell me to townread them for meta. Shows how obviously fake shit is.

[Titus]

lol

I have an inno, but this town doesn't deserve it

Cmon man. Don't do this.

[Titus]

Meh I am still pretty sure it's nacho and camn.

For Fire to be honest, scum must have a role blocker.

[Titus]

If you lynch me, whatever I get it. I have my reads.

[Titus]

I should question Fire's claim more as it leaves him an out when I flip town, but *shrug* Nacho's never getting lynched.

[Titus]

What does nacho never getting lynched have to do with Fire's claim?

I am the only one who SRs Nacho. So with me discredited the game has been over since D1 anyway. Might as well just lynch me.

[Titus]

Titus, why do you think scum have a Gunsmith and roleblocker?
Do you think roleblocker is limited?

Since I think you're town, they have to. Otherwise, it would be you and Nacho but faking a guilty on me doesn't seem to be worth the effort.

[Titus]

Hey Fire, why would town!you fake this, scum!you?

[Titus]

What does nacho never getting lynched have to do with Fire's claim?

I am the only one who SRs Nacho. So with me discredited the game has been over since D1 anyway. Might as well just lynch me.

That still doesn't answer what fire bringer's claim has to do with it.

It does. It's a frame up but I literally don't care whether Fire is scum protecting Nacho or not. Nacho is pretty obviously scummy here but I'll never convince y'all of that. So... Fire faking the guilty who cares? Game has been over since d1

[Titus]

P.s. if no protective role, sad scum.
Lynch nacho/camn

Third might be gin/sad but I don't want to believe it.

We should have gotten Leon's claim.

Maybe he can out his results before lock

Also think this looks like a slip.

It isn't but whatever you tell yourself to justify things

[Titus]

Leon was softing clears at the time.

[Titus]

Okay I have a headache rn so I'll save the big gin post for when I'm not so exhausted.

Though I reread Titus' play during night and compared it to King's Landing and got world's apart vibes. Like she has unique reads in both games but in king's landing she makes a very good effort to push her scumreads whereas here she just plays the lost townie/I give up card too much. Her day 1 I feel was by farrrrrrrr her strongest in this game and something I got good vibes from in places. She fell very flat after.

I still need to reread firebringer to look for the glimpses of scumhunting that is usually associated with his townplay because I was getting that feel day 1 but been super under the radar the rest of the days.

Knights landing was an anonymous game where I had a theoretical shot at lynching scum. Look at end of game where ABR was lying up a storm. That's me giving up

[Titus]

Nacho you need to learn to use your words

I'm voting camn until she's dead. I'm then voting Titus until she's dead. The game should be over then. If not, I'll reassess but my first real inclination will be to vote you.

Gin, I don't see Nacho/Tammy here. Tammy feels guilty as scum and it's not something that can change overnight. She shouldn't but she does.

[Titus]

Nacho/camn/fire

I'll hammer whatever gets wagoned when end of day. Consider my vote on all three.

[Titus]

I'm lining up lynches too because it's a solved game. Nacho has more excuse than me cause he has no time.

Camn fakeclaimed. We're lynching her and if you can vote now you can prevent a Gin/SAD double hammer which would bring me personal satisfaction.

Where's the scum motivation for camn to cc?

[Titus]

Nacho/camn/fire

I'll hammer whatever gets wagoned when end of day. Consider my vote on all three.

Camn's at L-1; time to quickhammer!

I will but not yet. I don't trust this. It is not EoD.

I need to figure out how to convince town you are scum or be fine gamethrowing.

[Titus]

Fuck masons. I always SR masons.

[Titus]

ohhh yeah, i am completely retracting my claim btw.

Why did you fake a guilty on me?

[Titus]

SAD, do you stand behind your one shot vig claim?

[Titus]

ohhh yeah, i am completely retracting my claim btw.

Why did you fake a guilty on me?

for your reaction.

And then why not stick with it?

[Titus]

I'm trying to figure out how Ari took two bullets if SAD is a vig.