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[MortFeld]

I think Titus was scum because the way she pushed me was very bad. That's about it. I have barely read fitz' posts.

cut the tunnel vision bro

It's not tunnel vision

[MortFeld]

You barely said anything about me tunneling you since the start of the game, why is it suddenly an issue if I tunnel tituslot

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't been replaced
read the replacement

[MortFeld]

I haven't been replaced
read the replacement

The replacement posts garbage

See my few interactions with him

[MortFeld]

Btw Ircher I saw your post I'll talk to you later

[Gamma Emerald]

then why say you haven't read him

[MortFeld]

then why say you haven't read him

I didn't. I said I've barely read his posts

[MortFeld]

For context I usually read each post 2-3 times. I've only skimmed his once

[Gamma Emerald]

Got it

[RayFrost]

I'm here, currently working on getting my post completely together. Finding posts I want to highlight and such, etc, etc.

I'm going to put it here that I absolutely abhor the overuse of meta and

anyone

who attempts to ignore me by handwaving what I have to say and saying "but it's that person's

meta

" will incur my wrath.

Someone having a meta of playing scummy is not an excuse to ignore scummy things they do. Do not positively reinforce bad play.

Mind you none of you have done that yet, but I want that out there now before I have to deal with "but I know this person and that's just what they do." I'm not having it.

[MMM]

I'm here, currently working on getting my post completely together. Finding posts I want to highlight and such, etc, etc.

I'm going to put it here that I absolutely abhor the overuse of meta and

anyone

who attempts to ignore me by handwaving what I have to say and saying "but it's that person's

meta

" will incur my wrath.

Someone having a meta of playing scummy is not an excuse to ignore scummy things they do. Do not positively reinforce bad play.

Mind you none of you have done that yet, but I want that out there now before I have to deal with "but I know this person and that's just what they do." I'm not having it.

I like you.

[MortFeld]

I will like him when he posts content

[MMM]

I never said I town read him

[Gamma Emerald]

Well what's your read on him

[MMM]

None bc how the fuck am I supposed to have a read on him with -69 posts worth of actual content

[MMM]

Oh wait this dude replaced Grey
Grey was ok but I always TR him anyways
So eh
Still null

[RayFrost]

So, I'm here and am going to go into the Many Reasons Gamma Is Suspect.

This is going to be end up being a wall for all you "I don't read wall posts" people. We're probably not going to get along, stylistically. I will

attempt

to keep things concise. I hope you will

attempt

to read what I have to say. Don't worry, if you just can't handle reading my posts, I try to include a short-form conclusion at the end. If I don't, just ask for it.

GE's rather reactionary focus in this post bothers me:

VOTE: Gamma

For realsies.

Can you explain this?
Also you are the one I suspect most out of the first five to vote me. The list goes like
TwoFace
Titus
BYF
Mort
Ircher

When he gets a serious vote, he immediately says he suspects ircher but doesn't follow up with reasons

or

a vote on him. Then he goes to vote transcend instead, never follows up on this, and later drops both the transcend and ircher reads without ever having made any

actual

attempt to push them. If you suspect someone, the town thing to do is to pressure them.

Votes with no follow up are just lip service. And this is a consistent issue, which I'll point out a few more times later.

So you blame me? For what exactly?

1. Answering a question not directed toward you
2. Being incorrect that the thing quoted answers the question

And also the fact that the question was about his read of you, and that you interject there is icky.

The chain of interaction that comes before this post by Mort is relevant, but Mort raises a good point here: GE is responding to a question about him but not toward him. This is a sign of over-defensiveness and shows another form of reactionary gameplay.

We see in this post here another case of GE posting suspicions:

Transcend and MMM for now
Ircher isn't an SR anymore

But there's no mention of MMM before this, and, if you look at the following posts, there is

no

followup - no real scumhunting toward MMM to solidify this read or even show why this read exists.

I thought I'd keep going but honestly they're more of the same.

If you go through GE's postings, the votes are rarely outside of what other people are voting, his "reads" are either reasonless or could've been super easily copypasted from someone else. Without being questioned or pushed for reasons, GE has not actually given any this entire game. There are more contentless posts than contentful posts, with less content given the less talk about or to him there is.

The willingness to lynch anyone who isn't a townread is inherently a more pro-scum mindset as anyone that

isn't

scum is a good death. You might also note that GE said he was

townreading the fitz slot

but then

kept his vote and requested a claim

. The only motivation to do this is to reveal Fitz's role while it's a free option. If you're town, you push against lynching a townread and try to not get the townread to reveal their role. You don't force them to claim then jump off when you were already townreading the person.

Nothing GE has done this game has been actual scumhunting. It's all lip service and self-serving behavior.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

[RayFrost]

If you guys want my reads on other people, I can give them (with reasons), but my priority is lynching the person I think is most likely to be scum.

I will say that I heavily disagree with an Ircher wagon / lynch in no small part due to the fact that GE is a person on the wagon. But aside from that, I've felt that ircher has actually put efforts toward scumhunting and has had fairly respectable posting overall.

While I understand the transcend wagon's origins and don't completely disagree with it, I personally find transcend's nonsense is inscrutable and that whemestar's existence in this game is too short for me to make a judgment. I'll take it if I'm forced to by deadline, but I'm not happy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you actually read all of my posts?

[RayFrost]

Yes.

Have you actually ever said why you suspected MMM or why you dropped that suspicion?

Have you actually explained why, while you were townreading fitz, you kept your vote on the wagon and demanded a claim?

Have you actually pushed and done scumhunting and followup on the scumreads you claim to have that happen to already be pushed by other people?

[Gamma Emerald]

I initially didn't like MMM's reads but I've changed my mind on that.
Say where I townread fitz.
I'm intending to case my two biggest scumreads soon.

[RayFrost]

Looking back I misread pronoun usage in a couple posts (#979 and related) that made me misread you saying you had a townread on fitz when it was about someone else.

One point retracted. Still not my biggest issue, which is your lack of scumhunting this game and lack of follow through.

Your content providing has in vast majority been reactionary, and the fact you're "intending" to case your biggest scumreads Soon^TM when you just haven't bothered for some reason this entire time until now doesn't really help the cause.

You haven't made any cases till now.

I bring up a lack of cases and suddenly it was your plan to do so all along.

Why the change in style?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'd made the dedication to do so before you posted your case on me. Look at my recent interaction with Kelvin Smith.

[RayFrost]

Okay I admit I missed the one line at the bottom of page 65. So the timing is not after my questioning you and demanding it but after Kelvin questioning you and requesting it.

Shift the time period, the point remains the same.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I didn't feel the motivation to post a case before.