Micro 710: Backup6 (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maker

Tenshii's position makes more sense now. I'm willing to lay off of him for toDay.

I agree, tenshi is townier now.
Consider voting beli with me.

Why are you so against Beli? What has he said or done that pushed you into a scum read this early D1?

Why do you find Tenshi townier? What town motivation do you believe the post i brought up a while ago possesses? Do you scum read me now for my weak Tenshi push?

because experience

because his recent posts were town

i dont know what post and im lazy to look

and no

[Wisdom]

This game is fucking stupid because everyone is attacking each other for things that didn't happen and reads are being made because of it.

yeah I definitely don't like this. I don't see this frustration coming from town!tenshi

I felt the opposite

Oh you do? You believe this frustration to be genuine and a town tell?? I'll tell you, this post would have been a lot townier if it came at a different point in the game. IIRC this post came after MM was talking about a scum read on Tenshi, which leads me to believe that he's just angry that his slot is getting more attention.

nah

[FireScreamer]

VOTE: Tenshi

[MarioManiac4]

This is like a whole new side of Mario I'm seeing compares to previous games. Liking it.

I want BTD6 to come in and provide some content

this is because as compared to a year ago i am slightly less of an idiot

[MarioManiac4]

There is nothing more frustrating as scum as being accused for illogical reasons by an illogical townie. You simply can not use logic to make it go away.

But this is not frustrating as town as well? News to me.

It's just a quote Toto and Tenshii used in matrix5. I don't agree with it but lolwhynot.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: maker

Tenshii's position makes more sense now. I'm willing to lay off of him for toDay.

I agree, tenshi is townier now.
Consider voting beli with me.

How are you reading maker?

[MarioManiac4]

Oh yeah I forgot about Firescreamer's post restriction to not agree with me about anything ever

[Wisdom]

maker could be scum too but beli goes first

[MarioManiac4]

maker could be scum too but beli goes first

looking at it
this is the first time you've mentioned maker all game
do you have any reasons for thinking he is scum?

[BTD6_maker]

There is nothing more frustrating as scum as being accused for illogical reasons by an illogical townie. You simply can not use logic to make it go away.

It's scummy because it's an easy push on FS because everyone (i'm 99% sure) agrees his content made no sense. You're pushing on him for that even though you will know this sort of early tunnel is NAI.

It's interesting how you used this particular phrase, which was used by Town to attack Town. Frustration at a lack of logic is not scum indicative in any way. It looks like you are attacking Tenshii for pointing out bad logic, which does not seem to actually be scummy.

all maker has really done now i have layed off their wagon is a scumread on my biggest townread that doesn't really make much sense (which is scum-indicative here because he's not even legitimately tunneling or doing anything else either, just one bad case that lacks emotion)
they're not following up on their questions either

Firstly, lacking emotion is not scummy. I am a type of player who does not display emotion much as either alignment. In order to show that lacking emotion is scummy for someone, you need to first establish that they show more emotion as Town than scum, which in my case is not true as I do not show much emotion in either case.

I do not need to follow up on questions when I get satisfactory answers. I do not need to continue strengthening my scumread with every question if I think that the answers I am getting are Townish, which is why I did not need further questioning to follow up. It would make more sense to then focus on other things which seem suspicious to me.

I do not need to tunnel when there is no reason to. Tunneling is only useful when the responses keep on being scum-indicative, and at the moment it makes sense for me to post about other things I find suspicious.

It's just a quote Toto and Tenshii used in matrix5. I don't agree with it but lolwhynot.

If you don't agree with something, why do you use it as a point in your push?

This overall looks rather suspicious. This is a weak scumread of mine.

[Wisdom]

maker could be scum too but beli goes first

looking at it
this is the first time you've mentioned maker all game
do you have any reasons for thinking he is scum?

Poe

[MarioManiac4]

It was a joke maker
I wasn't using it as part of my case

[MarioManiac4]

Emotion is probably a bad word for it but I can't think of a better one. It's almost like lacking conviction; like, you don't actually believe in the case you're making. Your post digging up TB's case, trying to refute its logic and voting him for it just looks really fake.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Belisarius

I already know from last time nobody wants to wagon maker- let's see where this goes!

That's L1 folks! We are policylynching

EchoVision

anyone who hammers without giving intent tomorrow!

[BTD6_maker]

Emotion is probably a bad word for it but I can't think of a better one. It's almost like lacking conviction; like, you don't actually believe in the case you're making. Your post digging up TB's case, trying to refute its logic and voting him for it just looks really fake.

I often analyse a case by pointing out flaws in its logic. I also generally post more formally than most people, which may be seen as artificial. This is entirely natural for me.

I do not have that much confidence in any read at the moment, but it is rather early and I do have conviction at least to some extent, as appropriate to the strength of my read. This is currently a weak read, as I want to avoid strong reads without strong evidence. Strong reads without evidence leads to the strength of the reads being unfounded, which is problematic as it leads to misjudging the probabilities that someone is actually scum.

[MarioManiac4]

Why did you choose ThinkBig's case in particular?

[BananaNSFW]

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt

thanks. Are you going to answer my other questions?

[BananaNSFW]

BTD6, what's your read on Beli? Do you agree with his case on me?
You seem to recognise he is scumhunting but you don't give any opinions about what he has to say.


Pedit: sure it was. The rude comment was about me not being associated with trying hard

BTD6, please answer this.

[Belisarius]

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt

thanks. Are you going to answer my other questions?

No, I'm done quoting #186. It's pointless.

[BananaNSFW]

Case closed.

[Wisdom]

wake me up when beli is dead

[BTD6_maker]

BTD6, what's your read on Beli? Do you agree with his case on me?
You seem to recognise he is scumhunting but you don't give any opinions about what he has to say.


Pedit: sure it was. The rude comment was about me not being associated with trying hard

BTD6, please answer this.

I currently read Belisarius as weak Town. His case on you looks like it is from a Townish perspective, in that Town are always trying to be suspicious and aware of scum manipulating them, whereas scum know that the Townies are mostly honest and they are trying to manipulate them instead.

Some scepticism as Town is always good. You do not want to be too confident in your reads, or you will be blinded to the possibility of having to rethink them. Uncertainty and doubt are often good things (too much confidence is bad), but I think that fear isn't, and Belisarius is talking about what happens when fear is mixed with uncertainty and doubt. Rational uncertainty/doubt is "I think this is the case, although I could be wrong and will look for evidence." whereas FUD is more like "I think this is the case, but I could be wrong so I cannot trust anything, not even my own reasoning." with a lot more paranoia. Belisarius clearly has knowledge about this (for example, referencing McClish's methodology) so this looks like it comes from their Town perspective.

That said, while it is Townish, it looks like mistaken Town. You had been referencing a past game and I am not sure exactly how FUD is shown. It is possible you are trying to do this as scum but it is more likely you were just bringing up what happened, in which case it is probably NAI.

[Tenshii]

Why is Beli getting wagoned wtf

[Tenshii]

If Tenshi had a problem with my case he should have a problem with TB and or Maker as well. Agreeing with a shitty push is much worse than making one.

They didn't?