Mini 1916: Buttersnap Shitfuckery (Game over, Town win!)

[Chickadee]

IM HERE

Why are we yelling?

[Chickadee]

Can we never lynch schadd because that is the best post restriction ever

A grand idea XD

Thirded



Also I'm town.



Also I haven't had power in more than 48 hours. My activity level is going to be low and spotty until I get power back.

[Chickadee]

Power is finally back, I've been playing the catch up game all day. This game is next.

Looks like we're having a dance party? I'm down.

[Chickadee]

Rauth, you're just salty because Jesus picked you last time.

VOTE: Rautherdir

[Chickadee]

I love Canadians. Canadians are great.

[Chickadee]

Has there been anything AI yet?? I haven't seen anything.

I'll look back and see what I can do!

I haven't seen anything really.

I predict _schadd will be nightkilled.

That would be quite unfortunate.

Okay I have soulreads on: Ari, Chickadee, Almost50, Leonshade, Nachomamma8 and they are Town, Town, Town, scum, scum, respectively.

VOTE: Ari

Lol what?

Ari you rolled scums

VOTE: Ari

nancy, I don't know what you're talking about!

Who's my scumteam if so? I'll help you bus them so we can play longer

Can I get in on this? Please and thanks.

I need something to do.

[Chickadee]

Where do you guys get all these gifs from anyway? Is there some kind of public, organized repository of gifs for every occasion?

Oh man that would be the dream

I don't use giphy too too much, results suck on there most of the time, I /do/ have a bank of gifs.

But yes I agree with Math that maple syrup is amazing, but I have no idea what stinks..

Chickadee if you lack things to do you are more than welcome to bus Ari.

But Ari and I are bussing Piggy.

[Chickadee]

My thoughts exactly. It does squat for us to talk about normal guidelines. And it definitely doesn't help to talk about aspects of our roles.

[Chickadee]

And how many p-posting restrictions are in this *urrp* game anyway? I don't think Socrates actually has one, or he's been really inconsistent if so?

I've counted 3, unless I'm just not picking up on some of them.

I have no post restrictions.

[Chickadee]

Because Rauth is scum, silly.

[Chickadee]

Spoiler: @MATH HEAD

I really like playing games with you, don't leave

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Chickadee

Active lurking is a sin.

Lol what?

Where did I say I was active lurking?

I just haven't seen much that's stuck out to be or begged to be interacted with, which is on the whole, NAI.

I can forgive you this once.

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Prisms restriction brings us up to 4. Not really AI in any way, I'm just really enjoying the post restrictions.

[Chickadee]

Just popping it to let everyone know I won't be around until Sunday. Then I'm diving in.

[Chickadee]

Ok, finally some time for a proper catch up and read-through up to this point. Be prepared, this is where I obvtown. Wait for it. Waaaaiiiit for iiiiit.

Wait
For
It

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Vegito (Majiffy+ Nachomamma8)

Liked DD's piggy vote more than I liked the Chickadee one

; don't have any reason as to why (they both are kind of active lurky) but I guess Piggy's not doing anything feels more purposeful than Chickadee's.

I didn't vote Piggy, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with the bold. Do you mean my vote on Rauth?

Seems like everything Vegito has said has been needlessly aggressive. It's pinging me. So much ping.

And why did you think you're the only person to have stated your alignment? And why has your read o me changed so much?

Spoiler:

Liked DD's piggy vote more than I liked the Chickadee one; don't have any reason as to why (they both are kind of active lurky) but I guess Piggy's not doing anything feels more purposeful than Chickadee's.

Reads, mostly in order of strength

Town

Socrates
Leon
DeadDel
RadRat
Rauther
Chickadee

Scum

Schadd
AlmostChara
Chimchar
PiggyGal

The rest reside in nullsville

UNVOTE: RadicalRat
VOTE: Shadd

This may change after Nacho and I have time to shout at each other privately.

Nacho baby are you scum? Give it to me straight

L-like a pear cider

made from 100% pear?

So did scum all get post restrictions

Lol right?

Chickadee ??? - vague skim shows a push on Rauthedir I'd love if she went into but my memory was of the one gif where that girl was doing the weird "whoop" dance gesture.

Radical Rat

So many votes. Admittedly very limited experience playing with RR, but it feels very different here. Wanting to TR this slot, but it's just a gut feeling right now.

Almost Chara (Almost50+ Not Chara)

Need more from this slot. I hope they don't replace out.

Aristophanes

Posts after his 174 seem to be actually getting into the game.

Prism

I'm really town reading schadd_ and part of me wonders if the opposing post restrictions might also be apposing alignments? That seems too easy though. I'm still waiting on more from this slot.

Deadline Delivery (Mathblade + nancy)

Wanting to TR this slot. They seem genuine, and they're pretty active.

Chimchar

Need more here.

Rautherdir

Hasn't done much more than role fish. His 159 and 167 stand out to me as huge red flags.

Spoiler: 159 and 167

My role appears to meet normal guidelines as well, unless there's something I'm missing.
Could we all actually claim whether our roles are normal or not? Honestly it benefits town since it helps prevent false counter claims, and it would be interesting to find out.

UNVOTE: until replacement is found.

I'm not sure how I read DD or Ari yet, neither seem like town but they also aren't making my gut want to lynch them with fire immediately yet.

My role appears to meet normal guidelines as well, unless there's something I'm missing.
Could we all actually claim whether our roles are normal or not? Honestly it benefits town since it helps prevent false counter claims, and it would be interesting to find out.

I play so much ToS that now I no longer know what MS counts as "normal" or "not normal" roles

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
And honestly I might have to agree with schadd after looking through the rules for normality now. He and the hydras might be the only non-normal roles in this game that would be safe claiming non-normal.

Piggygal15

Never posted their alignment. Just a flashy gif of a city. I take that to mean their claiming town. NAI, but noted. Nothing they've done yet has been serious at all. They're very Canadian.

schadd_

Wouldn't lynch this even on a guilty. However, I'm TRing this slot. They pulled themselves out o fRVS early and have actually been trying to get slots sorted.

Socrates

Claims not to have a post restriction, but their posting seems very odd for them. Post restrictions are NAI, but the fact that none of their posting has felt like them up to this point is sticking out to me. Not enough to go on though.

Leonshade

Not really telling, and might just be nitpick here, but I noticed where everyone else was saying their alignment, Leon just quoted to say "same" instead of typing out "I'm town" or something of the like. I find that interesting. Not necessarily AI but interesting nonetheless.



VOTE: Vegito
Shots fired.

[Chickadee]

I'm probably missing some stuff in that reads list. I was jumping around a lot in many tabs. But the important stuff is there I believe.

[Chickadee]

Sad to see you go Rat, was looking forward to playing with you again, but I understand game limits.

Some other time.

[Chickadee]

Reading him over, I agree with Vegito's assessment of schadd, VOTE: schadd

Not really liking Chickadee's assessment list, feels like she's just townreading anyone who actively makes multiposts.

If that's what you got out of that reads list, I think you should at least skim it again.

[Chickadee]

@Chickadee: what exactly is your reference point for saying I am posting out of character?

You've been doing short rapid succession posts that kind of contradict themselves, and claiming not to have a post restriction. So it seems odd. Other games I've seen you making longer posts with time between. I see a bit of what's happening here too, but I guess I see it more here, especially for being so early.

It's mostly a gut thing.

Follow up for @Chickadee: since when is aggro a scumtell? And are you unaware that Vegito is a Hydra?

Yea no, I know. There's just a fair bit of dissonance (to be expected), and I feel like Majiffy tries to cover it by being aggressive.

I didn't vote Piggy, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with the bold. Do you mean my vote on Rauth?

I meant Deadline Delivery's vote on you; IIRC she voted you and Piggy for active lurk ish reasons and while both of you had similar content at that time I had a better vibe on you than I had on Piggy. I'm glad I was probably right!!!

Thanks for clarifying that. I read it several times and just wasn't coming to any conclusion that made sense.

Seems like everything Vegito has said has been needlessly aggressive. It's pinging me. So much ping.

That's Majiffy in a nutshell!
I was going to post a lion king gif to reassure you that we're not mean and terrible people but I'm on mobile and a bit pressed for time. I will remember for later but as for now please view my Casso King of Seals avatar, my Garuda avatar, and my Reflektor avatar!

I'll hold off on voting you for now.

UNVOTE: Vegito

And why did you think you're the only person to have stated your alignment? And why has your read o me changed so much?

My arrogant post was saying I was the only person who did any sort of meaningful scumhunting at that point which I still don't think is inaccurate. My read on you hasn't changed; one of those posts was Majiffy and the other one was me (Nacho). The post townreading you was me and that's the post that matters because Majiffy doesn't actually know how to play mafia as demonstrated by the whole "Shadoweh where have you been???" fiasco.

Apparently I'm just not on the same wavelength as you Nacho. We keep missing each other. I think at the point in the game you said this, that statement could be taken mostly true (I'd have to look back specifically), however now, I don't find that to be the case.

So many votes. Admittedly very limited experience playing with RR, but it feels very different here. Wanting to TR this slot, but it's just a gut feeling right now.

Did you normally play with him as scum or as town?

Again, VERY limited, but scum. And that's all I can say. However, he's replaced out, so it's void at the moment. I need some time to work with Shadoweh, but there's an initial TR on his slot for how Rad was playing.

However, I'm TRing this slot. They pulled themselves out o fRVS early and have actually been trying to get slots sorted.

What slots has he sorted? How has he sorted those slots?

Spoiler: These posts are good posts

dd is probably an alignment. have both heads posted yet?

ac looks maybe town

chickadee still yikes

belisarius is a heaping pile of burning shit used to fuel a machine that converts useful things like pens into diagrams of incorrect human anatomy

Schadd's thing about Socrates signaling his scumteam on who to kill makes no sense. They should have the scumthread for that, why risk saying it out here?

socrates was actually the one that suggested that specific purpose.

he might be traitor/know traitor or smth, is what i was thinking (the game title leads me to believe that alignments and groups are weird and bastardy)

it's the sort of thing that i always read too much into but i also think for this game in particular scum would have reason to foob around in the game thread. also math should take my side l0l l0l l0l l0l

VOTE: aristo

this whole discussion is giving me a newfound hatred of belisarius. not for any particular reason, it's just that most of my trains of thought, especially those related to mafia scum . net, lead to the conclusion that belisarius is a slimy bloodfuck

My role appears to meet normal guidelines as well, unless there's something I'm missing.
Could we all actually claim whether our roles are normal or not? Honestly it benefits town since it helps prevent false counter claims, and it would be interesting to find out.

druther not

claiming non-normal is close to claiming "i have something interesting and uh probably powerful i guess" (excepting post restrictions)

belisarius has never had anything interesting in his entire life and sometimes people feign investment in his interests but lately people have realized it's too difficult an act to keep up. good riddance

Not really telling, and might just be nitpick here, but I noticed where everyone else was saying their alignment, Leon just quoted to say "same" instead of typing out "I'm town" or something of the like. I find that interesting. Not necessarily AI but interesting nonetheless.

This could be a scumtell if there was a lie detector floating around (in which case Piggy's post would be applicable) but I assumed Nancy's "tell me ur alignment" thing was a joke because she hates being town.

Either way, it's noted.

[Chickadee]

Switching back to Rauthedir for now. Unless a convincing argument comes up, this is where my vote is staying.

VOTE: Rauthedir



/also, something is pinging me. But I can't remember who said it. It was a while back and it just came to me, and I can't stop thinking about it. Gonna go find that.

[Chickadee]

Oh god, it was Rauthedir!

UNVOTE: until replacement is found.

I'm not sure how I read DD or Ari yet, neither seem like town but they also aren't making my gut want to lynch them with fire immediately yet.

My role appears to meet normal guidelines as well, unless there's something I'm missing.
Could we all actually claim whether our roles are normal or not? Honestly it benefits town since it helps prevent false counter claims, and it would be interesting to find out.

I play so much ToS that now I no longer know what MS counts as "normal" or "not normal" roles

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
And honestly I might have to agree with schadd after looking through the rules for normality now.

He and the hydras might be the only non-normal roles in this game that would be safe claiming non-normal.

Bolded so you can't miss it. Please explain. How do you have that much information about roles?

[Chickadee]

Vote invalid. I'm atheist.

[Chickadee]

Schadd, when you come back can you give us some reads?

[Chickadee]

I found this saved in drafts. Thought I'd post it. I have no clue what my train of thought was at the time or if I finished that train of thought (probably not since it was in drafts), but I'll throw this out there.

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I don't understand how Aristophanes's ISO after #174 is any different from his ISO before #174; he had two posts that seemed kind of serious but he hasn't really started scumhunting and I don't think that anyone would argue that he has started scumhunting yet.

There's a tone change. It's a shame we haven't seen more from Ari yet. Posts after #174 start to have content in them. They're lacking serious substance, but I can see that Ari is starting to think about the game.

Opposing post restrictions meaning opposing alignments is a Socrates theory that's been brought up before and while it sort of sounds good I don't think there are any compelling reasons to believe that it's the case unless there's some secret I'm not privvy to.

I actually had another thought. I haven't brought it up, because there really wasn't a need to. On second thought, there's still not a need to. Disregard.

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In other news, I really look forward to hearing from the metric fuck-ton of lurkers soon.

[Chickadee]

is it actually not possible to have a spoiler= within a spoiler= this is bullshit

belisarius wishes he was bullshit but he's actually mudfuck built from shitbricks and spends his entire life rusting in a dick cemetery

Spoiler:

it appears not. Have anything to contribute?

[Chickadee]

chickadee: gutscum earlier in the day but i saw something that changed my outlook. townfully concerned, thought some things that i also thought

& seems like she would be bad at scum

Ya rude ass.

[Chickadee]

Oh, damn. I had a good TR on that slot, and was really enjoying his post restriction.


I'll be able to contribute something more substantial tomorrow. Or maybe later tonight, but like laaaaater tonight.

[Chickadee]

Rauth seems fine.

Please explain this to me.

Chickadee
In your 489 you said you had a thought about opposing post restrictions being opposing alignments. What do you think about it now?

I think it's still entirely possible, but I'm inclined to lean towards that not being case.

I had thought they were a town indicator, and was doubting that until this moment. Any serious post restriction claims are prolly town though. To auto-kill a scum member seems unbalanced in general.

Don't write it off yet. That would also make scum stick out pretty badly if none of them had post restrictions. It would basically make POE way too easy.


@Leon, why are you assuming Prism's post restriction is fake? I've thought the same thing, but I'd like to hear your reason before talking about it more.

[Chickadee]

Chickadee
In your 489 you said you had a thought about opposing post restrictions being opposing alignments. What do you think about it now?

I realize my previous answer paints a picture not entirely in line with my thought process at the moment. So I'll answer in a more specific way.

I had previously considered this to be the case, just as an interesting possibility. I also considered masons, because that just seemed interesting to make the connection between polar opposites. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I have a good feeling about Prism, but I don't think that Schadd flipping town clears him just on the post restriction. I do have reason to believe their post restriction is fake though, which makes me a little weary of them.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Piggygal
i'm adding some scumreads to Almost's town list, hurray.
if i have to explain why 554 is bad i will but i don't want to. maybe when i'm less tired and pleasantly irritable. it's fake, is the bottom line. especially the two lines leading up to the DD vote.
~Chara

Care to vote there and lynch scum then?

[Chickadee]

I'm saying I'm not sure why more than one person would have the same sort of restriction

Also, the reason I know they have been faking is because they messed up and weren't modkilled.

I had noticed this too. I asked you about it, but you never responded. Or maybe I asked someone else. I'm to lazy to go back and check who I asked. I asked someone about it.

[Chickadee]

Soon it wont be a post restriction. It will just be how people talk.

Well why wouldn't they? Beli is a sad excuse of a human being, if you can even call him that. He's so dumb he couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

I see a lot of people suspecting Rauth, but not all of those people voting him. A lot of those people are putting Ari as their top SR though, so someone (preferably one of my TRs), tell me why I should switch to Ari, because personally I just don't have enough to sort his slot yet. I'm still really leaning toward Rauth for today.

[Chickadee]

No, no we are not.

[Chickadee]

I need to do a bit of catching up. I'll be in tonight. From what I have caught up on, Ari is town.

Welcome to town Ari!

[Chickadee]

Rautherdir
Piggypal15


Not lynching Ari today, and no one is even voting him right now, so now sure why he's still included in that there list.

[Chickadee]

I have to leave for the night, and I won't be back before deadline. I start a new job tomorrow. I'm keeping my vote where it is, because I don't really trust the voting parties on either other wagon completely. I feel most confident in Rauth being scum here.

[Chickadee]

YAASSSS

[Chickadee]

I'm sad it took y'all so long to kill Rauth.

But yay for the town victory!

[Chickadee]

Yea, I just knew from the beginning he was scum and wanted him dead.