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In post 894, MuttonChopMagic wrote:read the threadIn post 895, Ginngie wrote:no.-
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True story.In post 877, Tchill13 wrote:Abr also has avoided a lot of attention.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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that's braveIn post 905, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
True story.In post 877, Tchill13 wrote:Abr also has avoided a lot of attention.abcedminded-
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I see scumreads on TChill for thisIn post 874, Tchill13 wrote:I just said they needed more attention. Never listed my scum reads. I'm not going to scum read Theta for not being active but Theta should get pressure because of it.
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WhyMafia Jack of All Trades
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I'm not calling Theta town, but is it really worth to push a lynch on him when there are other possibilities? In my head, he has had one bad post. Anyone can do that regardless of alignment. If he gets away scot free by d2/d3 without posting any thoughts/prodging, then we have a problem. At this stage of the game however, I feel like pushing a lynch on Theta is a hinderance at best
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It'd be cool if people helped build the wagon on Theta. I know some folks don't see what I'm seeing, so I'll take a stab at explaining. She's barely posted but there's more than enough to scumread. It comes down to this. Theta shows up once-in-a-while to make a helpful-sounding observation, to appear invested, but her play is entirely passive. She hasn't offered any substantive analysis, nothing original or insightful. Her posts don't show any desire to scumhunt. And her emotions don't square with her play.
In more detail, these are the problems:
I bolded some of the stuff that concerns me. I already mentioned the overly-hesitant language (e.g. "uh wait"). But when you look at this, there's a few other nuances. Look where Theta's focus is: The number of votes to lynch. Then look at the "oh yeah rvs" language. It suggests RVS (i.e. scumhunting) is secondary, an after-thought. Feels like Theta's trying to appear helpful while offering nothing substantive. Her focus isn't on townie things.In post 52, Theta Alpine wrote:uh wait
with 21 alive it should be 11 to lynch
unless there is an extra vote floating around
oh yeah rvs
VOTE: pisskop
for reasons
You are correct. Updated the Vote Count.
I could imagine scum planning things out at the start of D1, thinking to themselves, "okay, how many votes to lynch, 11, okay, so if we have X numbers, we'll need this many townies to coordinate a mislynch, and oh yeah, I forgot it's RVS, I better put down a vote so that people don't suspect me," or something along those lines. But I can't imagine townies thinking, "okay, how many votes do we need to lynch, 11, okay, and oh yeah, I forgot it's RVS, I better put down a random vote." So I'm getting scum even from this first post.
Two things I don't like about this post. First, it's passive. Responds to a question while contributing nothing. And second, it's lazy in a way that shows no interest in scumhunting. If you're town, you'd want to know who is asking you questions about pisskop, because you'd be interested in that person's alignment. As scum, you don't care who asks you the question, because you already know the alignments. It's a subtle distinction but it shows two very different relationships to the various players' alignments.In post 144, Theta Alpine wrote:i am not sure if the current posting habits are good or bad so uh
to whoever asked what my reasons for voting pisskop were
it was rvs
As I said before, this post is the ultimate hedge. It expresses concern over Gamma's lynch but doesn't do anything about it. It's incredibly passive. And, again, it's one of those posts designed to appear invested while contributing nothing. The passivity doesn't square with the emotion. Concern prompts action. It prompts a position ("don't lynch Gamma, he's town"). But we get none of that.In post 291, Theta Alpine wrote:okay wait why do we have someone this close to lynch this early day 1
Also, Theta's focused (yet again) on the lynch, on how close we are to it. Her thinking is oriented toward the number of votes we need to lynch. Which, as I've explained, is the sort of thing scum tend to focus more than town.
The post is defensive. Theta's focus is on defending her previous post. She says Gamma''s town, says it's implied by her previous post, but then says, "I dunno why, it's gut." Feels contrived. Again, she's overly-hesitant ("I do not have much meta experience with gamma," "so uh").In post 527, Theta Alpine wrote:thought i already said my read on gamma
okay so that post does not look like a read but okay i thought 291 would be enough for people to figure out my read
i do not have much meta experience with gamma other than a currently active game so uh
yeah i do not know
gut tells me town though
Theta's last post. She jumps on the shiniest thing in sight (two votes on Lapsa). And that's the most Theta's done this entire game. I don't see any hint of an interest in finding the scum. I get the sense Theta's struggling to develop (read: contrive) scumreads, so when she sees votes on Lapsa, she jumps on that quick.In post 590, Theta Alpine wrote:massive
albert b rampage
why are you voting a mod-confirmed townie
lapsa
you do realize spoilers are a thing right
things which can prevent overflowing quote pyramids
fourtroble
texchat
i am a little more focused on other games right now
have not had the time to dedicate to this game and do it justice
Then she offers a stylistic suggestion to Lapsa. Again, she's being "helpful" while doing/contributing nothing. And she defends herself against me (even though she's under virtually no pressure), while preemptively justifying her low engagement. She's doing everything the scum do. She's passive, reactive to shiny objects, and defensive. She pops in every now-and-then to offer a helpful suggestion or to seem invested, yet hasn't shown any actual interest in who the scum are.
I know some of you will think I'm grasping at straws but what I'm saying is legit, you just need to broaden how you think about scumhunting. The scum don't go around declaring themselves to the world. They reveal themselves in with small cracks into their perspective. And that's what you see in Theta's posts, small windows into how she's thinking about the game, and the evidence points to a scum perspective. And it doesn't matter that she's only posted a couple times, her posts are devoid of any thought process that could be called townie.-
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Take a look at your games. You probably do it more as scum.In post 914, WhyMafia wrote:The only thing I disagree with is the doubtcast language
I have a tendency to do that regardless of alignment-
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NopeIn post 917, FourTrouble wrote:
Take a look at your games. You probably do it more as scum.In post 914, WhyMafia wrote:The only thing I disagree with is the doubtcast language
I have a tendency to do that regardless of alignment
I've rolled scum in one game (which was role madness)
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Why would you not push him? Either he responds adequately and we move somewhere else or he fails to do so and you've got yourself a successful lynch candidate. You can't really say "oh he's had one bad post" when he's only made like six of themIn post 911, WhyMafia wrote:I'm not calling Theta town, but is it really worth to push a lynch on him when there are other possibilities? In my head, he has had one bad post. Anyone can do that regardless of alignment. If he gets away scot free by d2/d3 without posting any thoughts/prodging, then we have a problem. At this stage of the game however, I feel like pushing a lynch on Theta is a hinderance at best
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Because he might be genuinely inactive and we would just be wasting time. The next he posts, we would pounce.In post 921, Lexa wrote:
Why would you not push him? Either he responds adequately and we move somewhere else or he fails to do so and you've got yourself a successful lynch candidate. You can't really say "oh he's had one bad post" when he's only made like six of themIn post 911, WhyMafia wrote:I'm not calling Theta town, but is it really worth to push a lynch on him when there are other possibilities? In my head, he has had one bad post. Anyone can do that regardless of alignment. If he gets away scot free by d2/d3 without posting any thoughts/prodging, then we have a problem. At this stage of the game however, I feel like pushing a lynch on Theta is a hinderance at best
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Ime this isnt a reliable scumtell moreso than a cause for concernIn post 912, FourTrouble wrote:It'd be cool if people helped build the wagon on Theta. I know some folks don't see what I'm seeing, so I'll take a stab at explaining. She's barely posted but there's more than enough to scumread. It comes down to this. Theta shows up once-in-a-while to make a helpful-sounding observation, to appear invested, but her play is entirely passive. She hasn't offered any substantive analysis, nothing original or insightful. Her posts don't show any desire to scumhunt. And her emotions don't square with her play.
But all of this is valid to some degreeIn more detail, these are the problems:
I bolded some of the stuff that concerns me. I already mentioned the overly-hesitant language (e.g. "uh wait"). But when you look at this, there's a few other nuances. Look where Theta's focus is: The number of votes to lynch. Then look at the "oh yeah rvs" language. It suggests RVS (i.e. scumhunting) is secondary, an after-thought. Feels like Theta's trying to appear helpful while offering nothing substantive. Her focus isn't on townie things.In post 52, Theta Alpine wrote:uh wait
with 21 alive it should be 11 to lynch
unless there is an extra vote floating around
oh yeah rvs
VOTE: pisskop
for reasons
You are correct. Updated the Vote Count.
I could imagine scum planning things out at the start of D1, thinking to themselves, "okay, how many votes to lynch, 11, okay, so if we have X numbers, we'll need this many townies to coordinate a mislynch, and oh yeah, I forgot it's RVS, I better put down a vote so that people don't suspect me," or something along those lines. But I can't imagine townies thinking, "okay, how many votes do we need to lynch, 11, okay, and oh yeah, I forgot it's RVS, I better put down a random vote." So I'm getting scum even from this first post.
Two things I don't like about this post. First, it's passive. Responds to a question while contributing nothing. And second, it's lazy in a way that shows no interest in scumhunting. If you're town, you'd want to know who is asking you questions about pisskop, because you'd be interested in that person's alignment. As scum, you don't care who asks you the question, because you already know the alignments. It's a subtle distinction but it shows two very different relationships to the various players' alignments.In post 144, Theta Alpine wrote:i am not sure if the current posting habits are good or bad so uh
to whoever asked what my reasons for voting pisskop were
it was rvs
As I said before, this post is the ultimate hedge. It expresses concern over Gamma's lynch but doesn't do anything about it. It's incredibly passive. And, again, it's one of those posts designed to appear invested while contributing nothing. The passivity doesn't square with the emotion. Concern prompts action. It prompts a position ("don't lynch Gamma, he's town"). But we get none of that.In post 291, Theta Alpine wrote:okay wait why do we have someone this close to lynch this early day 1
Also, Theta's focused (yet again) on the lynch, on how close we are to it. Her thinking is oriented toward the number of votes we need to lynch. Which, as I've explained, is the sort of thing scum tend to focus more than town.
The post is defensive. Theta's focus is on defending her previous post. She says Gamma''s town, says it's implied by her previous post, but then says, "I dunno why, it's gut." Feels contrived. Again, she's overly-hesitant ("I do not have much meta experience with gamma," "so uh").In post 527, Theta Alpine wrote:thought i already said my read on gamma
okay so that post does not look like a read but okay i thought 291 would be enough for people to figure out my read
i do not have much meta experience with gamma other than a currently active game so uh
yeah i do not know
gut tells me town though
Theta's last post. She jumps on the shiniest thing in sight (two votes on Lapsa). And that's the most Theta's done this entire game. I don't see any hint of an interest in finding the scum. I get the sense Theta's struggling to develop (read: contrive) scumreads, so when she sees votes on Lapsa, she jumps on that quick.In post 590, Theta Alpine wrote:massive
albert b rampage
why are you voting a mod-confirmed townie
lapsa
you do realize spoilers are a thing right
things which can prevent overflowing quote pyramids
fourtroble
texchat
i am a little more focused on other games right now
have not had the time to dedicate to this game and do it justice
Then she offers a stylistic suggestion to Lapsa. Again, she's being "helpful" while doing/contributing nothing. And she defends herself against me (even though she's under virtually no pressure), while preemptively justifying her low engagement. She's doing everything the scum do. She's passive, reactive to shiny objects, and defensive. She pops in every now-and-then to offer a helpful suggestion or to seem invested, yet hasn't shown any actual interest in who the scum are.
I know some of you will think I'm grasping at straws but what I'm saying is legit, you just need to broaden how you think about scumhunting. The scum don't go around declaring themselves to the world. They reveal themselves in with small cracks into their perspective. And that's what you see in Theta's posts, small windows into how she's thinking about the game, and the evidence points to a scum perspective. And it doesn't matter that she's only posted a couple times, her posts are devoid of any thought process that could be called townie.
This specifically rings true, I saw it similarly when I read it
As I said before, this post is the ultimate hedge. It expresses concern over Gamma's lynch but doesn't do anything about it. It's incredibly passive. And, again, it's one of those posts designed to appear invested while contributing nothing. The passivity doesn't square with the emotion. Concern prompts action. It prompts a position ("don't lynch Gamma, he's town"). But we get none of that.In post 291, Theta Alpine wrote:okay wait why do we have someone this close to lynch this early day 1
Also, Theta's focused (yet again) on the lynch, on how close we are to it. Her thinking is oriented toward the number of votes we need to lynch. Which, as I've explained, is the sort of thing scum tend to focus more than town.
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