Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

As much as I scumread Sparkles, yeah I agree that this is optimal.
VOTE: MuttonChopMagic

Gamma scum

Yeah, quite likely.

Haven't seen you unvote Mutton.

[Agent Sparkles]

Like I don't think town just refuses to fight their lynch if they really believe that they're pushing obvscum, but realize that what you're doing is extremely anti-wincon if you really are town

This. So much this.

doesn't matter. I know when there's no chance. this playerlist is not going to change their minds
it's pro wincon if people actually listen to my lynch order. of course, egos mean that almost never happens, but worth a try

God, I see this mindset too much and I want to kill it with fire.

Killing yourself won't suddenly make your reads or pushes more valid, regardless of alignment. Especially when you've done things like try to push slips that are painfully obviously not there. You still haven't made a case on me, by the way, just an empty post discrediting a bunch of arguably valid points.

[Agent Sparkles]

@Gamma

Then why are you saying those pairs are town? People can use doctors on mafia.

Clearly one of us didn't, otherwise we would almost definitely not be in this scenario. And I never said both pairs were necessarily town- in fact, even with my townlean on Sheep, I think your D2 play is among the scummiest.

[MuttonChopMagic]

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

[MuttonChopMagic]

Like I don't think town just refuses to fight their lynch if they really believe that they're pushing obvscum, but realize that what you're doing is extremely anti-wincon if you really are town

This. So much this.

doesn't matter. I know when there's no chance. this playerlist is not going to change their minds
it's pro wincon if people actually listen to my lynch order. of course, egos mean that almost never happens, but worth a try

God, I see this mindset too much and I want to kill it with fire.

Killing yourself won't suddenly make your reads or pushes more valid, regardless of alignment. Especially when you've done things like try to push slips that are painfully obviously not there. You still haven't made a case on me, by the way, just an empty post discrediting a bunch of arguably valid points.

I also haven't voted you
When did i push slips too?

[MuttonChopMagic]

As much as I scumread Sparkles, yeah I agree that this is optimal.
VOTE: MuttonChopMagic

Gamma scum

Yeah, quite likely.

Haven't seen you unvote Mutton.

Why can't we be partners? It isn't town that strikes me
In fact, with how sure I am you weren't protected, wouldn't thst make it more likely?

[Gamma Emerald]

zzz @mutton

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

Then why are you saying those pairs are town? People can use doctors on mafia.

Clearly one of us didn't, otherwise we would almost definitely not be in this scenario. And I never said both pairs were necessarily town- in fact, even with my townlean on Sheep, I think your D2 play is among the scummiest.

Alrihgt, I need to quote something else then.

[MuttonChopMagic]

@Mutton - who we lynching?

A doc claim. Titus might just be me tilting, not sure on who as of now id bet
and sesq could easily be upplaying his newbiness yet

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

So this is interesting.

I'm not fully caught up as I'm writing this, but at least one pair of {Sheep, Gamma} and {Alban, Creature} is probably town. I don't think it's unbelievable for there to be multiple N1 docs given that there was already a save with 12 players still alive, and it would be a pretty dumb gambit for alban to fakeclaim doc after two claims had already happened unless there are more cops than doctors and he's purposely manipulating that knowledge.

At least one pair. That means both. You DID say the protects would be clear.
And by saying this you show you do not believe NJAC was killed. Would that be because you are scum who didn't kill him?

[Vedith]

@Mutton - who we lynching?

A doc claim. Titus might just be me tilting, not sure on who as of now id bet
and sesq could easily be upplaying his newbiness yet

so sesq?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I guess
VOTE: sesq

[Titus]

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

[Titus]

As much as I scumread Sparkles, yeah I agree that this is optimal.
VOTE: MuttonChopMagic

Gamma scum

Yeah, quite likely.

Haven't seen you unvote Mutton.

Because I am not done sorting him.

[Agent Sparkles]

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

Mutton pushing a "slip"

[Sesq]

ok, so we lynch in cop pool, right?

[MuttonChopMagic]

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

My lie was a misplay, and in addition I no longer have a meta of lying as town to cite
I lied explicitly because of how little confidence I have in this town. You and Vedith if town are both some might
I self voted because I didn't want a day of me not getting lynched and people scumreading me enough to not want to sheep me
with rhyming, only mobile access, and lack of time all as factors I don't have time to properly tunnel those I scumread
All they need to do is post long posts and I can't keep up which is what has happened with both
and it's very unlikely both are scum, of course
With me self voting and getting lynched it shows my behaviour is town and that much can't be argued
And hopefully you/vedith/people would re look at my reads with the knowledge they're town and lynch you know who
but, nah, self voting is pretty objectively wrong so I shouldn't have
blame it on me not thinking ever before I post or whatever you gave
as for sesq? I can't really decide about her
I've seen a mislynch because she's scummy as fuck as a per
(son) but this game she tried baiting a cc while simultaneously "townslipping"; doesn't really read as real
and her behaviour hasn't helped town in the slightest, just been useless and confusing my dear

[MuttonChopMagic]

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

Mutton pushing a "slip"

A small part of a lengthy ish case
and considering I was already voting sheep before that, clearly not all I see of his face

[Titus]

VOTE: Sesq

I like your honesty now. I gtg.

[Agent Sparkles]

Gamma, you are either scum or being deliberately blind here.

UNVOTE:

So this is interesting.

I'm not fully caught up as I'm writing this, but at least one pair of {Sheep, Gamma} and {Alban, Creature} is probably town. I don't think it's unbelievable for there to be multiple N1 docs

given that there was already a save with 12 players still alive,

and it would be a pretty dumb gambit for alban to fakeclaim doc after two claims had already happened unless there are more cops than doctors and he's purposely manipulating that knowledge.

Almost everyone was still alive and yet there was a save. This makes it very plausible that one of the protects was attacked even if it wasn't NJAC.

I don't think that two scum claim after me, and I don't think that scum!alban claims there either way.

It logically follows that there's probably a town pair in those four players. I'm becoming more convinced as time goes on that you aren't part of one.

[Agent Sparkles]

You have to really stretch to try to shape that as me explicitly not believing that NJAC was attacked, and knowing that makes it clear how weak your push on me is.

[Gamma Emerald]

But the protects aren't confirmed even if the doc is
You made this point yourself and FOSed me off it
VOTE: Agent Sparkles

[Agent Sparkles]

But the protects aren't confirmed even if the doc is
You made this point yourself and FOSed me off it
VOTE: Agent Sparkles

Quote one post in my ISO where I FOSed you because of this. I guarantee that it's not there.

And don't try to stretch something I've said to the point where you're creating entirely new meaning out of it.

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Agent Sparkles]

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

Mutton pushing a "slip"

A small part of a lengthy ish case
and considering I was already voting sheep before that, clearly not all I see of his face

My problems with it are still there. You clearly believed (or at least pretended to believe) what you were saying and used it with conviction, so why should the fact that it's not the main part of your case change my mind?