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[CCC]

Eh.
VOTE: CCC

...I wish I could say I was surprised.

I

also

wish I knew how not to look like an attractive day one lynch on this site.

There's a lot that feels off with this post.
Especially the "tomorrow I will pick at the wagon". Seems a lot more like setup for tomorrow than a genuine interest in parsing the wagon itself, especially since there's nothing specific being unpacked here.

My top scumreads are Gamma/kraska77, NotTheRealPaul, and either DeathRowKitty or PenguinPower in the final slot. Of those, I think the Gamma/kraska77 lynch will be the most useful and informative for Town today; it will thoroughly (further) implicate NotTheRealPaul for his behaviour vis-a-vis the Gamma wagon, and that should give us plenty of time to figure out the rest.

Also don't like the declaration of N_M being a policy lynch. The confidence there feels a little like it's coming from a place of too much information.

If you don't think N_M is a dead-null policy lynch, then please, feel free to point out what he did that's at all alignment indicative. All I saw him do prior to my post is cast two votes - one for you and one for Gamma - with the ridiculously brief case that you 'feel scummy'. (Plus, I think Gamma might have been a self-preservation vote). I don't think that's enough data to call him

anything

.

Because I'm Town?

I don't know how Cheetory's recognising that, mind you.

Also don't really like this post!
I'm kind of sucking at putting my feelings to thoughts tonight, but this is probably the only thing I feel anything for right now. If I have energy tomorrow I'll put more effort into sorting this if it doesn't just become a wagon.

...that was me attempting to be funny. I may not be very good at it.

[CCC]

okay then VOTE: ccc
switch to ccc

VOTE: ccc

Two more votes, from people I'm thinking likely scum, with no more case than that I don't look as Townish as Waffles?

...I've been scumread so often when I'm Town that I can't really see scumreading me as alignment indicative anymore. But still, I'm somehow not surprised.

[CCC]

I literally am voting CCC, I didn't reduce my read on him

I went back and checked - you're scumreading me because I thought Gamma had copied my readslist?

I can show proof, in this thread, that my readslist was put out

days

in advance of Gamma's. And I can show Gamma being unable to explain one of my weaker reads. What more do you need?

[CCC]

@Kraska Prob waffles

That's not going anywhere though. And CCC is fine with me too.

VOTE: CCC

...and here's the last person I scumread, jumping on my wagon.

I'm not surprised, but I'm pointing this out for the benefit of future days in case I get lynched.

[Cheetory6]

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VOTE: Penguin

[SlingshotWaffles]

gkjhfkjghkdjfkdjfhkdf
VOTE: Penguin

Uhh why?

[CCC]

Not_Mafia- who the fk knows
DeathRowKitty- no opinion yet
Cheetory6- town
Hiraki- lean town
CCC- lean scum
Grendel- after reading the iso im not sure about this one
MuttonChopMagic- who the fk knows
SlingshotWaffles- lean scum
Backhand- town
Nero Cain- SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but i would like to make sure people like waffles and ccc dont make it to end game before lynching nero
NotTheRealPaul- i think this might be scum
PenguinPower- no opinion yet

You prefer voting the people you lean scum on over the person you really think of as scum?

[CCC]

There literally has not been a game where, as town, I haven't been able to make it obvious that I'm town when my head's in the game.

...this is a rare and powerful talent that I wish I had.

Teach me your secrets!

[kraska77]

yes
dont want tom to be a rerun of today with lots of moonlogic and me feeling out of sorts about everything

[Cheetory6]

IDK.
ccc thinking that someone copying his readlist is a thing that scum would actually do looks like crazy town logic and I'm scared that Grendel feels like CCC is just lynchbait here.

Penguin still hasn't done a single thing/doesn't really seem to have reads, while still seeming generally caught up and around.

P-Edit: Be a dick when people scumread you and then also flail around with anxiety and also be productive occasionally too.

[kraska77]

ccc thinking that someone copying his readlist is a thing that scum would actually do looks like crazy town logic

its just moonlogic...
and i really dont wanna have to do deal with this later days

[Cheetory6]

How is PP not in your pile of players that you don't want to sort lategame?

[CCC]

Why should the fact that the main wagons are on people who usually get lynched early for bad play change anything? Lots of people feel like they have no footing because we're stuck in moonlogic limbo. it is still in towns best interests to not take lynchbait to endgame

Because I know how to handle probability mathematically. And I understand basic logic. And, not to forget, I am Town.

I think I'll do a good deal better at finding scum once I have some decent information to work from.

[Backhand]

I literally am voting CCC, I didn't reduce my read on him

I went back and checked - you're scumreading me because I thought Gamma had copied my readslist?

I can show proof, in this thread, that my readslist was put out

days

in advance of Gamma's. And I can show Gamma being unable to explain one of my weaker reads. What more do you need?

@Kraska Prob waffles

That's not going anywhere though. And CCC is fine with me too.

VOTE: CCC

...and here's the last person I scumread, jumping on my wagon.

I'm not surprised, but I'm pointing this out for the benefit of future days in case I get lynched.

I hear you that all of your scumreads are jumping on your wagon, that would make anyone paranoid, but usually an entire scumgroup doesn't move in unison like that. A lot of your reads and comments seem based on a really simple model of mafia behavior, like very early in the game you called out Klick for being scummy for calling for a quicklynch--even if you take that seriously. . . its not very indicative because scum players don't actually play that simply.

IDK.
ccc thinking that someone copying his readlist is a thing that scum would actually do looks like crazy town logic and I'm scared that Grendel feels like CCC is just lynchbait here.

Yes, this exactly. VOTE: penguinpower

Def better than ccc or kraska.

[kraska77]

How is PP not in your pile of players that you don't want to sort lategame?

i think pp and drk are getting away with minimum content bc everyones focused on the nonsense of waffles and ccc

[MuttonChopMagic]

There literally has not been a game where, as town, I haven't been able to make it obvious that I'm town when my head's in the game.

...this is a rare and powerful talent that I wish I had.

Teach me your secrets!

not if you only do it as town and as scum you get lynched quick as fuck
like, take thinkbig, fine town game but ALWAYS gets caught cause his scum game sucks

[CCC]

In your experience, do you think CCC gets very confident about things as town?

In my experience, I generally do not on Day One, and I have been told that this is part of why I'm such an easy D1 lynch.

Once I have better information, I can get more certain - in the rare case where I survive past D1, I have even been known to end up, rightly or wrongly, tunnelling on someone.

[CCC]

Ccc is getting lynched over nm because anyone can get away with voting nm today and everyone agrees nm hasn't done much at all. Ccc is someone who has put out more content and people had differing opinions on him. We get more info this way. Also I can't follow ccc's thought process on most reads, his posting is bad

Pedit: hmmm

You want to lynch the person who provides more info over the person who provides less info?

[Cheetory6]

Info lynches are dumb tbh.
We should be lynching who we think is scum instead of being lazy and justifying votes with "oh well maybe this person will give me info" or "oh well the gamestate will be better later I guess".
Those are lame reasons to lynch someone.
Vote who you think is scum and you think we can consolidate on, pls and ty.

[kraska77]

yes not wasting a lynch on nm when we dont know yet if we have a vig

[Cheetory6]

We probably shouldn't lynch N_M anyway because I kind of believe he believes his scumread on me.

[CCC]

@kranska Maybe I'm not understanding something but are you actually scumreading CCC or just want him lynched 'cause he's "lynchbait"?

I just posted my reads a page ago and said multiple times that I can't follow his thought process and don't like his posts,

Feel free to ask questions about things you don't understand. I'm happy to explain my reasoning in detail.

[CCC]

grendel has been really inconsistent. doesn't necessarily make him scum, but something to note for later...

anway
ccc is at l-1, claim pls

L-2 at the time of this post, by my count.

I could claim, but I don't think L-2 is the time to do so yet.

[kraska77]

okay then
VOTE: nerocain
im positive this will flip scum, its about the only scumread im confident about
but i really do not look forword to a day 2 where i have to deal with waffles and ccc wallposting moonlogic about my slot....

[CCC]

Not_mafia remains incredibly frustrating/useless, still my top choice. Also I have everyone on the wagon except PP on the town side, so I'm not really buying the "scum are piling onto the wagon" argument

Fair enough, but let me point out again that "frustrating" and "useless" are not necessarily scummy behaviours.