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[kraska77]

nero/me should be the wagon choices for today. i think whichever one of us gets lynched, people will have much better footing later days...i think...

pedit: i dont get why he would make a compromise vote(from what i can tell, hes saying im scum and waffles is lean scum?) on an outside shot when we have an actual wagon on me rn

anyway i think this me/nero thing needs to be sorted out today. what do you think?

[Cheetory6]

I mean if you're going to force the dichotomy I'll think about it more.
I would rather lynch someone who I think is scum rather than one of two townleans?

I frankly have no idea why you think scumNero would prioritize getting rid of penguin who's supporting him here vs you who wants him to get lynched??

[Backhand]

Eh, while I'm not opposed to the nero lynch, plenty of strong Day 1 reads evaporate over time, I don't think it *has* to be one of you.

[kraska77]

it doesnt make sense to me either tbh.

pedit: but pp is a consensus secondary scumread...this doesnt feel right

[Backhand]

it doesnt make sense to me either tbh.

pedit: but pp is a consensus secondary scumread...this doesnt feel right

A consensus secondary scumread who has yet never really been wagoned--sometimes there's gold in that.

[Cheetory6]

Consensus scumread that I've been pushing for like 5 days and nobody has bit. I would believe consensus scumread as a reason not to vote there if there wasn't so much artificial resistance to his wagon.

[kraska77]

I feel like scumNero can't bring this level of stubbornness to his reads.
Persistence on kraska and not relenting on even a small point on her just reminds me a lot more of what I saw in Civ from him.

at the risk of sounding like a broken record, i dont think the recent stubbornness counts bc hes forced into position, and its a response to my pestering. before that, he was waffling all over the place

[Hiraki]

Soooo
Vote Nero
Come on guys

credibility falling super hard

i'm gonna need a bit more substance from the Nero people - maybe I missed it somewhere? His opinions are out there but not particularly scummy.

part of why i haven't liked nero is because early on i had reservations about accountant that i never expressed because having me + accountant around was keeping me honest with myself because of how we were playing but at times it really did seem like they were just drawing conclusions that were convenient

inb4 "isn't that what accountant always does"

I wasn't going to say the last part but the fact that you say that makes your argument very uneasy and more probably wrong in my eyes.

But it's not as though your activity hasn't been a little sparse right?
So, when you come in and you respond to things pertaining to you, it can kind of come across like you're only popping up when you need to defend yourself.

yucky argu--

I don't know if I put stock in that, but I can see someone else doing that.

why on EARTH is everyone in the nero wagon just OK with discrediting their argument like two seconds later and not OK with voting their ACTUAL SCUMREAD????

Nero, maybe this is just your game, but you don't really reply in a way that screams "engage with me" so much as "if you vote for me I am going to yell at you until you stop." Saying that you have only come in to defend yourself is not totally fair, but its not made up either.

Nero has MUCH more credibility than you bud

I could lynch slingshot because I'm tired of his shitty pointless potshot playstyle?
(':

Oh fun!

You should do that!

when endgame shows CCC & Slingshot scum, you can all suq my dick tbh

why do you ask questions? why do you feel? why do you think? how come this thing is this way? how come I do what whatn wherent how who am I?

beautiful posting

Then I have presumably completely misunderstood what you meant back here:

that quote LITERALLY SAYS NOTHING OF THAT SORT

I disagreed WITH your reads-list and a SLEW of other things. The fact that the post that says that I don't like one of your posts is your biggest target for me is just flat-out the easiest cop out in the game. Here are other things I ACTUALLY said about you.

For reference, here is post 553:

I explained NTRP in a past post

Could you perhaps link the post in question?

I dropped that case and bumped him up one spot
Mutton is my lowest now

Fair enough, reads do change. (If you could explain your read on Mutton, too, that would be great).

DRK I feel their pushes are genuine but I don't really regard that as grounds for a hard townread. I've made pushes on things I legitimately believed were scummy as scum before.
Notsure is just obvious newbtown. Not much to say there. I could point out specific post I like if you really want.

Hmmmmm. I think that pointing out specific posts you like would be a really good idea. "Obvious newbtown" is a very easy thing to say when you don't really know what the case is.

If I say that this post is bad, then why on earth wouldn't I also give credit to Gamma???

Also why did it take you 5 years for you to actually comment on this and then just presume what I'm talking about?

Also why did you ignore the several other posts in my ISO that clearly call out your bad play????

Unfortunately, even after all of this, I will, as promised:

Unvote, Vote: Kraska

[Hiraki]

That is L-1 with a 4 hour deadline

[Cheetory6]

why on EARTH is everyone in the nero wagon just OK with discrediting their argument like two seconds later and not OK with voting their ACTUAL SCUMREAD????

I was explaining why I could understand kraska feeling like nero was scummy, even if I didn't agree with it at that point?
Pretty sure at that point I was townleaning Nero. zzzzzzz.

[Hiraki]

That's not very clear from the context, at least the first part.

The second part was kind of clear which is why I quoted that post too.

[kraska77]

when endgame shows CCC & Slingshot scum, you can all suq my dick tbh

ccc's latest post gave me an aneurysm but i really think ccc is town now. seriously what kind of scum would make a "my townreads are scumreading you, that probably makes u scum!" argument?

waffles i can barely contain the murderous rage against and would vote in a heartbeat

[SlingshotWaffles]

when endgame shows CCC & Slingshot scum, you can all suq my dick tbh

ccc's latest post gave me an aneurysm but i really think ccc is town now. seriously what kind of scum would make a "my townreads are scumreading you, that probably makes u scum!" argument?

waffles i can barely contain the murderous rage against and would vote in a heartbeat

What have I done?

[kraska77]

you exist

[CCC]

nero/me should be the wagon choices for today. i think whichever one of us gets lynched, people will have much better footing later days...i think...

On this I am in full agreement with you. Lynching you will give us far better footing for future arguments than lynching (say) PenguinPower.

pedit: i dont get why he would make a compromise vote(from what i can tell, hes saying im scum and waffles is lean scum?) on an outside shot when we have an actual wagon on me rn

That... is kind of odd. If he's Town, he might be thinking that Penguin is currently looking a bit scummier for some reason; I fail to find any reason why Mafia would do it, though.

[SlingshotWaffles]

you exist

VOTE: the Gamma replacement

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm back, sorry

We have two different people who advocated for their own lynch. Death truly is merciful.

inb4 "isn't that what accountant always does"

I wasn't going to say the last part but the fact that you say that makes your argument very uneasy and more probably wrong in my eyes.

I was making a joke about Accountant's presence in the discussion portion of the site. I'd never played mafia with them before.

[DeathRowKitty]

@Kraska, @Penguin
If you're here, why did you advocate for your own lynch?

[DeathRowKitty]

Wait Waffles vote was a lynch if he wasn't already voting and Hiraki's counting was correct

[SlingshotWaffles]

Wait Waffles vote was a lynch if he wasn't already voting and Hiraki's counting was correct

I was already voting.

[DeathRowKitty]

Wait Waffles vote was a lynch if he wasn't already voting and Hiraki's counting was correct

I was already voting.

a Real Human Being™

[SlingshotWaffles]

Wait Waffles vote was a lynch if he wasn't already voting and Hiraki's counting was correct

I was already voting.

a Real Human Being™

Why do you do that?

[kraska77]

because lots of people are hyper focused on me being scum and they cant all be scum. seeing a green flip from me will make them reconsider their reads

[SlingshotWaffles]

because lots of people are hyper focused on me being scum and they cant all be scum. seeing a green flip from me will make them reconsider their reads

Nope. Not really.

[CCC]

Then I have presumably completely misunderstood what you meant back here:

that quote LITERALLY SAYS NOTHING OF THAT SORT

I disagreed WITH your reads-list and a SLEW of other things. The fact that the post that says that I don't like one of your posts is your biggest target for me is just flat-out the easiest cop out in the game.

It's the case you made when you placed your vote on me.

It wasn't a very convincing case. Yes, I didn't engage with it at the time, because I felt my time was better spend hunting down actual scum rather than trying to answer a case so weak that it didn't convince anyone else. (There were a few other votes for me later, on a different basis, and they provided actual cases, which I addressed).

Here are other things I ACTUALLY said about you.

For reference, here is post 553:

I explained NTRP in a past post

Could you perhaps link the post in question?

I dropped that case and bumped him up one spot
Mutton is my lowest now

Fair enough, reads do change. (If you could explain your read on Mutton, too, that would be great).

DRK I feel their pushes are genuine but I don't really regard that as grounds for a hard townread. I've made pushes on things I legitimately believed were scummy as scum before.
Notsure is just obvious newbtown. Not much to say there. I could point out specific post I like if you really want.

Hmmmmm. I think that pointing out specific posts you like would be a really good idea. "Obvious newbtown" is a very easy thing to say when you don't really know what the case is.

If I say that this post is bad,

You know, on reflection, that post

is

pretty bad. I should have already been scumreading Gamma by then, and I wasn't.

Also why did you ignore the several other posts in my ISO that clearly call out your bad play????

I

know

my play on day one is terrible. That's why I got lynched day one in both my newbie games. I don't know why my play gives a slight scum vibe on this site's meta; though I've been trying to deal with it.