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MaxwellPuckett Mafia Scum
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MaxwellPuckett Mafia Scum
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No i voted him for the flip because I think he's scum, why'd you vote him
Scum or 3p made that change, either he's blue and scum/3p made him purple to obfuscate that or he's red and scum changed him to purple because they figured he'd be flipped after the Twoface mafia flipOne man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I am feeling the former, mostly because that begs the question why they didn't change TwoFace's color if they had that powerIn post 803, MaxwellPuckett wrote:No i voted him for the flip because I think he's scum, why'd you vote him
Scum or 3p made that change, either he's blue and scum/3p made him purple to obfuscate that or he's red and scum changed him to purple because they figured he'd be flipped after the Twoface mafia flip
When I said it felt like indy, I meant how his color changed-
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MaxwellPuckett Mafia Scum
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In post 795, jjh927 wrote:I don't even know why I'm waiting for him to respond. I've never been conftown before and the prospect is exciting.
VOTE: jjh927In post 798, jjh927 wrote:I'm what
These posts dont follow imo, either you expected to be recoloured or you didnt, and this looks like fake surpriseIn post 802, jjh927 wrote:Yeah, I'm not. I'm actually a VT. I was mostly expecting me to be blue, but I'm not sure if it was the egocentric or realistic side of me expecting scum to have recoloured me red. Now I'm a mixture of both.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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This is the relevant post BomberIn post 24, Varsoon wrote:Just went back to make sure--in the first game, the scum team could paint a player blue once per game and had infinite uses of painting a player red, green, orange, yellow, black, white and purple. There was also a mechanic revolving around 'freshly' painted players where several roles could figure out if a player had just had their color changed.
Cheetory didn't like the 'bastard' elements of painting a player red/blue and also didn't like how some role interactions could allow town a very easy victory (one player could check what the total color of players were of each color at night and another could remove one player from that check, essentially letting town, if coordinated, color-check players each night as well as each day).
The second game was scaled down to a 13 player setup and the 'wet paint' mechanic was removed. Town roles were made more direct/straightforward, too and scum power was taken down a whole lot. In that game, the mafia could only paint players as Black, white, red, orange, green, yellow or purple.
So, why bring all this up?
I was thinking about my first post here and started to recall that scum could paint players a lot of different colors, then realized that in the first game they could even paint players red and blue. In the design topic for the game, I recall telling Cheetory that I thought Mafia might, outside of gambits, only paint players blue/red because that's most effective at throwing a wrench into town strategies based on public mechanics.
While it's clear that between game 1 and 2, Cheetory removed painting players blue, the ability to paint them red stayed in.
That said, I would still trust that Red = Scum unless we have any provable role-claims that can show us otherwise.
And for D1, Red definitely equals scum and Blue definitely equals town.
Just flip the script here from what I said previously:
BLUE players are very, very likely CONFIRMED TOWN unless someone can prove that players can change others blue.
RED players are likely to be CONFIRMED SCUM in the EARLY GAME but we can't rely on that as much moving forward.
Again, this is somewhat speculative, as Cheetory could've changed some core things between the second game and this one, but
I do NOT see Cheetory giving Mafia the ability to paint players blue, since he really didn't like how much that could skew things in scum's favor in the first game and was essentially 'bastard'.
But yeah it's that, the post-colourflip posting is just awkward and he's not challenging my scumreadOne man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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It's not quite that simple when your gut tells you one thing and your brain tells your gut to stop being so self-absorbedIn post 812, MaxwellPuckett wrote:In post 795, jjh927 wrote:I don't even know why I'm waiting for him to respond. I've never been conftown before and the prospect is exciting.
VOTE: jjh927In post 798, jjh927 wrote:I'm what
These posts dont follow imo, either you expected to be recoloured or you didnt, and this looks like fake surpriseIn post 802, jjh927 wrote:Yeah, I'm not. I'm actually a VT. I was mostly expecting me to be blue, but I'm not sure if it was the egocentric or realistic side of me expecting scum to have recoloured me red. Now I'm a mixture of both."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Why were you expecting scum to have recoloured you red, and why was purple more surprising than either red or blue?
Pedit: idk, i said why i thought you were scum, do you have thoughts or why im wrong or something abt trying to stop the twoface wagonOne man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Okay, right, I'm done with my thinking thing and have collected myself. What needs to be figured out is- if scum painted me, then why am I purple and not red?
Having just read setup shit from paint 2, the sneaky thing there was that scum had no blue paint, but town were not told this. How do we know scum have red paint and what would this mean for balance?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Purple was far more surprising than red or blue because I was blue and was expecting, if recoloured, to be red. I felt those were the only two realistic outcomes.
Could you outline again why you think I'm scum because I must have missed it."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'm so far behind. Did we flip anyone yet?Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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