Mini 1910: Railgun Mafia [Game Over]

[Wisdom]

Then why would i not claim role on whoever died before i claimed?

because voyeur

[Wisdom]

I just happen to think you're mafia, and you've done nothing to disprove that.

Im mafia, gamma with the same role as me is mafia, and math who infiltrated us is also mafia?

I think at least one of you and gamma is maf. and i clearly said i'd be ok with gamma being lynched. sooooo...

soooo you are not following the game
From these three you should be pushing me as the others have confirmed misc actions for n1

[Wisdom]

Then why would i not claim role on whoever died before i claimed?

because voyeur

Because you can't handle being wrong like every single game I am in with you.
Hey you still manage to keep it up.

keep trying to discredit me

[Wisdom]

ok
good talk, now get roped

[Wisdom]

VOTE: math

[Wisdom]

Im thinking gamma and math might both be scum

At first i thought math wouldnt infiltrate gamma/me but since they admitted it was to talk to me, i realize it has more value for scum-math; buddying me so they get better chances to live.

And true enough, math has barely cared to consider gamma could be scum, and vice versa, gamma does not talk about math being scum despite random paranoias about edos, torque, etc

[Wisdom]

VOTE: gamma

chop chop

[Wisdom]

Math blade was mafia, why would he infiltrate a 1 scum hood?

because like i said in my last post, math cared about buddying me and never about you, just as you never cared about them

[Wisdom]

you correctly called that there were four scum

?
Why "correctly"? If there were four scum it would be over

[Wisdom]

actually it would be over if we lynched town, which is what i assumed when gerry said that, but still

[Wisdom]

I assume the mass block was cabd since

I think I have a way to get us safely back to odds tonight but it'll require something we may not want

and since it didnt stop the kill it probably confirms the strongman theory

[Wisdom]

But you said he correctly said there are 4 scum, do you know that somehow?

[Wisdom]

gamma suggested there are four scum in the hood at some point, dunno if its relevant

[Wisdom]

So if they have a full strongman, why the nokill on n2? Maybe its not a strongman but rather an unblockable killer (which a vest still stops)?

[Wisdom]

Why did you swap wagons yesterday, Wisdom?

See my last post yesterday

[Wisdom]

uh no he didnt

also i dont care

[Wisdom]

so if we go with the assumption scum have an unblockable killer who tried to kill all three nights, it means the killer is still either the nonmason or me; vedithslot, aside from edos's thing, wouldnt be the killer because he rolecopped on n2 rather than shooting.

Meaning its still the nonmason from my pov. Do we want the mason to out now?

[Wisdom]

it means the killer is still either the nonmason or me; vedithslot, aside from edos's thing, wouldnt be the killer because he rolecopped on n2 rather than shooting

actually based on this i am not the killer either because penguin can confirm i neighborized him on n2

[Wisdom]

Hey all, who received my vest yesterday?

I thought you said if you target maf, it's random

Edos did you actually say that? I dont recall it

[Wisdom]

thats also possible

[Wisdom]

But then there was this stuff with each side having unblockables, so i think unblockable killer is more likely

[Wisdom]

gerry youre not reading

[Wisdom]

Im thinking gamma and math might both be scum

At first i thought math wouldnt infiltrate gamma/me but since they admitted it was to talk to me, i realize it has more value for scum-math; buddying me so they get better chances to live.

And true enough, math has barely cared to consider gamma could be scum, and vice versa, gamma does not talk about math being scum despite random paranoias about edos, torque, etc

VOTE: gamma

chop chop

Math blade was mafia, why would he infiltrate a 1 scum hood?

because like i said in my last post, math cared about buddying me and never about you, just as you never cared about them

[Wisdom]

the first one was yesterday and was why i voted math

[Wisdom]

Edos's action is daily so he wouldnt be blocked, right Cabd?

[Wisdom]

I think it would have blocked EVERYTHING.

There was a kill...

Everything not unblockable i suppose

[Wisdom]

It didnt, but cabd didnt know the kill is unblockable

[Wisdom]

didnt you read yesterday? Cabd was planning to claim but hammer happened too quickly

[Wisdom]

that said, the last time i saw a mass blocker it was scum coupled with a strongman
If i wasnt townreading cabd i could see this here too

otherwise mass block is too antitown, especially with scum having a strongman, it blocks the entire town to what, block 2 scum actions?

[Wisdom]

Maybe i shouldnt be townreading cabd? :/

[Wisdom]

gamma is probably scum, so care

[Wisdom]

Im starting to think gamma & cabd

Math did defend cabd when i was saying he might be scum instead of gerry in the hood

I wanna hear from the non-mason first though

[Wisdom]

dont you agree youre basically negative utility given kill cant be stopped?

[Wisdom]

Like "unblockable doctor jk lol scum can kill through all his protects anyways" is at the very minimum a thing we know is the case.

No, doctors and vests can still stop the kill, like in n2
Its just the killer cant be blocked

[Wisdom]

Edos i really doubt gerry is scum after math flipped scum

[Wisdom]

I find it more likely cabd is lying about it and you were just blocked by him

[Wisdom]

It isnt, its a day action

[Wisdom]

No. This was a one time action I triggered when I made the post you quoted, so I think it would have blocked EVERYTHING. I will inquire with alisae as to the specific interaction.

[Wisdom]

And you used yours after that, so most likely it blocked it

No reason to not be a night action otherwise

[Wisdom]

By the way, for the flavor knowers;

What cabd used was almost certainly Capacity Down, which was used by Therestina (scum character)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: cabd

[Wisdom]

Actually theres another possibility of gerry being town and not receiving your vest even if cabd isnt lying

[Wisdom]

Cabd is town too. Don't vote either. Just trust me on this one, okay? If you tr me

cabd isnt town

[Wisdom]

Wisdom why would Gerry be town and not get the vest?

I dont wanna out that

[Wisdom]

gerry
cabd is not town
capacity down = therestina
Mass block with unblockable kill is negative utility
Math deathtunneled on you and didnt want to hear a word about how cabd could be scum

[Wisdom]

Cabd never voted or cared about the math push either

[Wisdom]

Its cabd and gamma

[Wisdom]

That works too

[Wisdom]

why do you keep suggesting 4 mafia? Thats a rarity in 13p

[Wisdom]

frog its time to claim

[Wisdom]

Also, because they lied and used other actions
We have no confirmation of either action happening

[Wisdom]

just did

And nope, youre claiming, if you wont then penguin already agreed to claim

[Wisdom]

I have a hood with him if you forgot

[Wisdom]

this will be fun

Penguin's turn

[Wisdom]

He gave him a vest and gerry didnt receive it

[Wisdom]

dont be hasty; i think youre both town

[Wisdom]

Ill let frog respond and then ill tell you what i think

[Wisdom]

For whoever doesnt know (i didnt), novice is a modifier

[Wisdom]

Other than that I'm not sure what other reasons Math would join a hood with a scum in.

Buddy me so they survive
Pocket me
Whatever you call it, thats the reason, and it succeded for a while

[Wisdom]

The major question nobody has asked is another:

Both gamma and cabd appear on torque's N1 list and therefore aren't the killers, what gives?

I have possible answers for the gerry thing and the masons thing, but not this one

[Wisdom]

the global voyeur

[Wisdom]

namely, they are both confirmed to have acted on N1; gamma neighborized you and cabd blocked me

[Wisdom]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

[Wisdom]

thats less creative than i thought

I speculated frogger would be a misaka clone (flavor knowledge needed here i guess) who thought hes misaka

But that works too, many times in the game frogger tried to act like hes the mason when i knew hes not, so i always assumed he was trying to confuse scum

[Wisdom]

A kill on accountant on n2 feels pretty unlikely though, and i am not sure i follow why you suspect edos

[Wisdom]

on aeronaut i meant

[Wisdom]

yeah, the killer thing
Based solely on that the killer has to be one of these
Problem is im townreading everyone

[Wisdom]

How about this

Math did the (non-unblockable) kill on n1 and used no other action
Gamma did the N2 kill
Cabd used a day action in D3 and used the unblockable kill on N3

[Wisdom]

Math actually had a 1shot protection from everything including kills, bit youre right that the vig makes the scum bp vendor more plausible

[Wisdom]

I cant shake the thought that cabd's action doesnt make sense as town but makes perfect sense if he is the unblockable killer

Does edos/cabd work?

[Wisdom]

Also do you think the "if i target scum they dont get the vest" mechanic is made up? Edos was consistent with it from the beginning with trying to see who received the vest and whatnot

[Wisdom]

Not to mention that if im right about the gerry its a nice touch to cause a fake guilty like it happened

[Wisdom]

cant we lynch cabd instead? Edos just hasnt felt scum at any point

[Wisdom]

And then penguin can shoot edos if you absolutely must, and theres no fear of blocks

[Wisdom]

Also if edos is scum he can vest whoever so its better to shoot him as im assuming he cant vest himself

[Wisdom]

Oh, also, frogger

Torque died, meaning he didnt have his vest anymore, confirming he was shot n2

[Wisdom]

im still assuming the killer is just unblockable and not strongman, meaning you and the vests stop him
Otherwise why not strongman torque on n2?

[Wisdom]

Also if you have some time google Therestina Hihara Lifeline and read about her; she has a device called Capacity Down that disrupts espers (roleblock) but she herself is immune to it (unblockable)

See how that makes perfect sense with cabd being her?

[Wisdom]

Kihara*

[Wisdom]

Agreed

[Wisdom]

Btw, if gerry jails you, wont that protect you without blocking you?

[Wisdom]

alright
So edos vests frogger and we lynch cabd
And then frogger protects penguin and penguin shoots whoever

[Wisdom]

good thing we get the role pms
Assuming cabd flips scum we will most likely know what happened on n1 and deduce whether its gamma or one of vedith/edos

[Wisdom]

even if you hadnt, cabd mass blocked

[Wisdom]

Have fun!

[Wisdom]

even if you hadnt, cabd mass blocked

I can't be blocked

I mean penguin was blocked regardless

[Wisdom]

Right. And you guys have been talking hot garbage last few pages. We are only lynching in gamma/wisdom/frog. Deal with it

No because cabd is scum
Do you need a reminder of why that is?

[Wisdom]

Wanna explain that more? Everyone has claimed, so feel free to gamesolve

[Wisdom]

Frog is obvtown

[Wisdom]

All this gamesolving the past pages wasnt scum

And hes been town the entire game anyway

[Wisdom]

Yeah except if youre both scum i dont care about your confirmation

[Wisdom]

Wild idea: the factional kill itself is unblockable

N1 Math does it, Gamma neighborizes Vedith, Cabd blocks Wisdom
N2 Gamma does it, Cabd claims to have blocked him to explain for gamma's missing action, Math infiltrates my hood
N3 Cabd, who has used a day action and is free, does the kill, with gamma attempting his neighborizing normally

[Wisdom]

wait, gamma is right
Titus died at the end of D1, shouldnt you have her role at the beginning of N1?

[Wisdom]

So, do I watch A Certain Magical Index first, or A Certain Scientific Railgun first, while lynching Frogger?

Index first

[Wisdom]

Best order is index season 1 -> railgun season 1 -> index season 2 -> railgun season 2

[Wisdom]

yep

[Wisdom]

no hes not confirmed scum

[Wisdom]

no, let him respond

[Wisdom]

cabd's action was a day action, gerry, youre not reading

[Wisdom]

I use my connections within Big Spider to get my hands on a Capacity Down device

thats a pretty good fakeclaim for Therestina

Again, for those who dont know flavor; Capacity Down is Therestina's device, the character Cabd claimed didnt have anything to do with it

[Wisdom]

sorry frog, that sounds like bs

VOTE: frogger

cabd is still scum though

[Wisdom]

VOTE: cabd

Lets stick to this and vig frog instead

Gets rid of blocks

[Wisdom]

thats convenient though

You couldnt claim you used an action n1 because torque didnt see it

[Wisdom]

You have posts onsite after titus was lynched

[Wisdom]

Cabd's the better lynch because we get rid of blocking
If frog is town he will also protect you
Edos should just vest you rather than frog though

[Wisdom]

gerry stahp pls

Youre not in touch with the game at all

[Wisdom]

how about we lynch you and then i block cabd? and then we vig gamma. win/win.

now all votes on frog

lol wait

I thought you were odd night? How are you gonna block?

[Wisdom]

and wisdom you've tried to lead 4 mislynches, how are you in touch with the game at all

oh idk, maybe if you read anything youd know

[Wisdom]

Let edos vest penguin before the hammer

[Wisdom]

It will

[Wisdom]

nah stay on penguin

[Wisdom]

gamma's the vig so no kill for scum again? cool

[Wisdom]

also my hypothesis for why gerry didnt receive edos's vest was right

[Wisdom]

uhh

so cabd wasnt the n1 killer, meaning it still has to be in edos/frogger/vedith

however vedith received edos's vest so not scum

VOTE: frogger

reluctantly

[Wisdom]

and vig on edos obviously

[Wisdom]

Math probably fished (or killed)
Cabd blocked me

[Wisdom]

Vedith - no action, forgot to submit
Gerryoat - jailed Edosurist
Fro99er - no action, didnt read PM
Wisdom - tried to neighborize Cabd, was blocked
Edosurist - no night action
PenguinPower - no n1 action modifier

[Wisdom]

Because gerry is ascetic

I also failed to neighborize him and thats why edos failed to vest him

It makes sense with his character too

[Wisdom]

Cabd blocked me

We don't know if this is true anymore.

What do you mean?

[Wisdom]

You really should have checked frog or edos, we would have solved the game

I guess its my bad, should have said gerry is ascetic yesterday

[Wisdom]

She said she used a "prep" action or something

[Wisdom]

Because torque confirmed a roleblocking action for n1

[Wisdom]

Its hard to accept but one of frogger/edos is scum, despite how town they both look

[Wisdom]

There makes no sense to have both him and Gamma as town.

nonsense, town/town neighborhoods are a thing

[Wisdom]

Yep. Lynch frogger, vig me if game is still on, and then lynch edos

[Wisdom]

Though i agree edos could just not vest you, its not him. Its frogger.

[Wisdom]

not rly

But id rather not add a "lynched as town" in my wiki if possible

[Wisdom]

loling at vedith thinking he can read me

[Wisdom]

okay

now vote frog

game is solved

dont worry, if its me, penguin will vig me

[Wisdom]

It is auto

[Wisdom]

Me penguin and edo are town, we lynch/vig the other 3

And vedith; he received edos's vest, so conftown

[Wisdom]

Edos is not technically conftown, but very unlikely

Its just frogger though

[Wisdom]

gerry is not scum for a thousand reasons

[Wisdom]

math push
Rb/jk dichotomy
Confirmed not killer
Ascetic while math also had ascetic

[Wisdom]

cant argue with that

VOTE: wisdom

[Wisdom]

Its frogger, we dont need plans

[Wisdom]

We can't vig vedith. So, we lynch vedith. And then we vig wisdom. If game continues we lynch frog. I'll be on frog tonight.gy

read the goddamn game
Vedifh is conftown

[Wisdom]

nah, gerry is just not reading as always

[Wisdom]

You are. If frogger flips town it has to be edos.

[Wisdom]

And thats why its frogger

[Wisdom]

vedith seriously

Gerry is confirmed jailkeeping and math is confirmed using misc on n1

It cant be gerry

The killer is in frogger/edos

[Wisdom]

awful vc

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

you told us already

[Wisdom]

but the killer is unblockable so it doesnt matter

[Wisdom]

I have only been lynched as town 11 times in 120 games

I hate you

[Wisdom]

i know

[Wisdom]

duh

[Wisdom]

I dont like the last paragraph

Again, if frogger flips town lynch edos

Dont throw the game

[Wisdom]

youre lynching me on my birthday on top of it

[Wisdom]

thanks

[Wisdom]

lots of blah blah when its just frogger

[Wisdom]

like he argued not to have read the pm about the role while he was posting onsite

[Wisdom]

gg

Thanks for the game, Alisae, I enjoyed the flavor!

Hopefully you can mod a large theme based on Index later on!

[Wisdom]

Popular as always in the dead pts!

[Wisdom]

When does town Wisdom ever change his opinion?

Hey vedith! Lessons to learn here. I do change my opinion.

[Wisdom]

Incorrect and i dont wish to have this discussion in a thousand threads