OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:17 pm

In post 1718, CommKnight wrote:
In post 1717, RadiantCowbells wrote:This game forces me to take control because the faction numbers are currently 3/2/3.

Vote Vedith/dunnstral, if they don't flip mafia you can turn on me tomorrow.

I don't necessarily think you're scum with them.
How about one better.

VOTE: Dunn

^ If Dunn does NOT flip mafia, go ahead and kill RC tonight wolves. I can guarantee he flips red.

Like this post just hard reads like mafia who sees the opportunity to get a cheeky win by framing me.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:21 pm

Also, Commknight has seen me as town in this game.
My play in it is extremely similar to my play here. Commknight scumreading me here was weird from the get go and I said that at the time, though I was still caught on Vedith/Dunnstral.

It's also worth noting that I'm also distinctly different from Civilization mafia in this game. Civilization I won by just deathtunneling mislynches and never giving reasons.
I've given my reads on most living slots, I've given reasons, my focus in this game has been on making sure everyone understands why my reads are what they are.

I can't afford to not get a lynch through this game.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:27 pm

I am willing to lynch Vedith or BTD6 as well. I am sorry but I can't support Dunnstral at this time.

Fitz/KMD/Dunn/Realeo

If a single town does not vote Comm they will not get lynched. Scum aren't going to bus when I've already called out all 3 of them.
They're going to block together hard and come down on me and hope that town misreads the situation or that werewolves help them.

Regardless of which of you are werewolves and which of you are town, there's no way to a win that's not through voting with me today.

Realeo · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:29 pm

In post 1774, RadiantCowbells wrote:Is there anything you don't understand about my read on Commknight's progression?

Your read progression makes senses under the context why Commknight's is anti-town.

But not with why Commknight's is mafia.
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I think, if we want to force Vedith as anti-town, Flubber(Commknight)/Vedith as werewolf explains a lot.

It explains why Vedith is trigger go lucky with Dunnstral/Hiraki.

It explains why Vedith is so bold with his opening (becuase Flubber is inactive)

It also explains the wagon. 1 Town + 1 Werewolf + 3 Mafia can click in. It also explain the speed of the wagon.

Commknight decision to spare his werewolf partner (Vedith) when given the option Dunnstral or Vedith clicks a lot.

The fact that Flubber never engages with any of Trihexa/Firescreamer/Umlaut/Vedith (except that one interaction with Fire) also says they are partner in crime.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:31 pm

Why does he sound so sure that the mafia are putting me on the hit list
Why does he randomly call BTD6 'wolf' and then lie about his reasons for writing them out of the lynchpool?
Why does his play read so much like cheeky scum when, as werewolf, he wouldn't be approaching a win from that play?
Why is he trying so hard to leash the werewolf shot if he controls it?

CommKnight · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:32 pm

@Realeo, alright, I'll pretend I'm WW for the sake of arguing. Would you argue with lynching RC, then Vedith, then Dunn first?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 pm

And that for the record is Commknight realizing he has played a shitty scumgame.

CommKnight · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:37 pm

No, it's awknowleding the fact we both read you as MAFIA. He reads me as WW (Which is wrong, but we'll sort that once we get 4 scummies dead and at LYLO).

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:38 pm

No one in this game who isn't mafia is going to read me as mafia. You might get werewolves to hop on board because they're scared of me, especially if Dunn is WW, but lol.

Realeo · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:39 pm

In post 1777, RadiantCowbells wrote:I am willing to lynch Vedith or BTD6 as well.

I can't do Vedith.

VOTE: BTD

CommKnight, I need more detail on ww!BTD

The problem of you two is I see quite an amount of misrep that I can't see you are town getting emotional or scum really biting so hard.

That RC's 4 questions are so misrep as fuck.
Commknight's attack as RC's readlist also misrep as fuck.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:39 pm

I don't read rc as mafia

Though I wish he wasn't about lynching me

Dunnstral · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:40 pm

Already said I think Realeo is town too

I think the 3 of us are the only town here

Commknight replaced gamma who was 100% scum

VOTE: Commknight

Realeo · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:41 pm

In post 1780, CommKnight wrote:@Realeo, alright, I'll pretend I'm WW for the sake of arguing. Would you argue with lynching RC, then Vedith, then Dunn first?

What is your conclusion of this question?

Realeo · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:41 pm

In post 1786, Dunnstral wrote:Already said I think Realeo is town too

I think the 3 of us are the only town here

Commknight replaced gamma who was 100% scum

VOTE: Commknight

Fitz replaced gamma. Commknight replaced Flubber.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:42 pm

Dude my questions are fine and if you don't see it the problem is with you not me.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:42 pm

UNVOTE:

Who did rc replace?

CommKnight · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:43 pm

Cool Dunn, so are you WW or Mafia? I'm pushing RC hard today to full-lynch full-stop.

I don't see BTD as town and I don't see him as mafia. So what faction does that leave Realeo? I also said it I was gut. I could be wrong, but gut says Werewolf.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:43 pm

I replaced Hellfire missile.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Which of those four things do you disagree that he did?

Realeo · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Which post gives you "the gut", Commknight? There must be a post that alerts your gut.

CommKnight · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:45 pm

In post 1765, CommKnight wrote:(2) Dunnstral - Realeo, Hiraki
(0) Flubbernugget
(0) Realeo
(0) Vedith
(LYNCH) Hiraki - Vedith, kmd4390, BTD6_maker, havingfitz, Dunnstral
(1) Hellfire Missile - Flubbernugget
(0) kmd4390
(0) BTD6_maker
(0) havingfitz

(1) Not Voting - Hellfire Missile

Just saying, Realeo makes a good point. There's no way all 3 mafia + 2 WW's lynched Hiraki. Making RC that much more confirmed scum since the 3rd townie helped mislynch.

@Dunn, does all 3 mafia on Hiraki wagon make sense? RC replaced HM and HM was choosing to not vote? Sorry, but HM was scummy here. I TR Realeo and I am myself town (which was Flubber) so that again leaves HM which is now RC.

Realeo · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:46 pm

In post 1795, CommKnight wrote:does all 3 mafia on Hiraki wagon make sense?

Yes.

2 werewolf don't imo.

There's no need to deadline lynch him when you're on unlimited deadline due to replacement.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:47 pm

Commknight is currently correctly arguing against 3 mafia being on Hiraki. because he wasn't.

Why are you ignoring the obvious answer that the werewolves thought that Hiraki was mafia?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:47 pm

Dunn just stop you're not mafia I don't care if you're town or werewolf. work with me today.

I will do BTD6 as well.

CommKnight · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:49 pm

In post 1101, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 1070, Theta Alpine wrote:okay i just now noticed that the town slip was from the person who said hellfire scum slipped
meaning that flubber knows how slipping works
which puts his slip into an entirely different light
VOTE: flubbernugget
Flubbernugget never claimed that Hellfire scumslipped.

Also, are you completely ignoring the possibility that Flubbernugget was Town asking a genuine question?

This is part of it. Plus it seems BTD and Hellfire are not aligned, which means RC is not buddies with BTD. Since I read RC as full-on mafia team, that leaves BTD for the wolves.