Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[DrCirno]

What the fuck have I done

[DrCirno]

Tl;dr of this game please

[DrCirno]

Except for the claim status I guess

[DrCirno]

I think I saw something about someone else claiming miller

[DrCirno]

Is math still tunneling you

[DrCirno]

I believe in two millers
In fact, my first game had 2 millers.

[DrCirno]

What specifically am I looking for from those days

[DrCirno]

Oh wait
I can shoot during the day too
EHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

[DrCirno]

I either shoot at day or night.

Which means I can create a big hole on this cheeky fuck Vedith's head right now if I wish.

[DrCirno]

mhsmith0
Whemestar
Insomniacs
MV
Vedith
PV
RM
Ginngie
S&R

[DrCirno]

I took Ari out cos it looks like she's being lynched

[DrCirno]

Oh btw I think this is not a multiball.
This is already Day 6 and almost half of the playerlist is dead.
No flip of other scumteam for that long is just ridiculous.

That bio-terror thing is probably a SK.

[DrCirno]

I think I found our SK.
Shooting now.

[DrCirno]

I either shoot at day or night.

Which means I can create a big hole on this cheeky fuck Vedith's head right now if I wish.

Someone's a salty bitch

More like my eyes are hurting

[DrCirno]

Shoot: PV5

[DrCirno]

Wheme is eh
Ari is the lynch wagon right now

[DrCirno]

Plus he didnt get masonized from what I've read

VOTE: Ari

[DrCirno]

You ok there Cirno?

Claiming now
I am a Vigilante. I have the ability to kill at night or day,

but the dayvig is one shot.

I have infinite night uses.
When I checked my flavor it said that my character was a bad shot so I had to check the rules to see if they were bastard, since if they were I'd expect to be a blank vig.

-Narna

You right. I missed "once" in my role PM.
It makes me ridiculously sad now.

[DrCirno]

Anyway, PV5 is very likely to be the bioterror SK since the bioterror attack only happened in odd nights and he claimed that he commuted all even nights which I doubt he was lying

[DrCirno]

n3

That's still odd night no?

[DrCirno]

I will also mention that (Town Gunsmith + Mafia Doctor + Town Vig) was once a popular normal setup meta.

[DrCirno]

But then apparently the doc saved the town from scumkill so the point is moot I guess

[DrCirno]

Yes. It is. I don't think a nerfed sk is here though.

Not really a nerf if he ditched killing to commute every even night

[DrCirno]

Also with vig and shit load of players, that level of survival is required for SK.

[DrCirno]

I will also mention that (Town Gunsmith + Mafia Doctor + Town Vig) was once a popular normal setup meta.

Davesaz has unquestionably blocked scumkills and there are already two confirmed clear red scum. If you don't buy multiball, davesaz is prolly town.

But then apparently the doc saved the town from scumkill so the point is moot I guess

[DrCirno]

Also even if I was not in this vig slot I would still say that 2 SK is silly. One SK gets a flavorkill but the other doesn't?

[DrCirno]

I'd shoot PV5 but it's an even night.

[DrCirno]

Also with vig and shit load of players, that level of survival is required for SK.

I'd be more inclined to believe bulletproof or sk with some other role that has cover. So if PV was SK, he'd be untargetable.

BP is overrated and is weaker than commute.

[DrCirno]

Dr we should coordinate on who we check/vig to prevent you shooting my check.

You should obviously check a VT claim.
I could shoot MV.

[DrCirno]

Why MV?
I secretly rolled a dice from VT claims and that's what I got.

I could also shoot a miller I guess but that's no fun

[DrCirno]

Why smith again?

[DrCirno]

Informative sounds good for me.

I'll roll between {Wheme/smith/MV}

[DrCirno]

Oh man we got 2 days left.

ppl should just vote Ari if they haven't so already

[DrCirno]

S&R, Titus, Shiro, me.

6 more

[DrCirno]

WhemeStar (3/L-6): Mhsmith0, Insomniacs, Vedith
Vedith (1/L-9): Master Vampire
Randomidget (2/L-8): Vaxkiller, WhemeStar

These ppl prob should move their votes asap

[DrCirno]

Will explain later

With 2 days left?

[DrCirno]

I'm at work so yeah

Make it short

Can't have math
Can't have smith
Ari v wheme

Wheme is "2nd miller"

Wheme has the best chance of flipping

I'm kinda disappointed

[DrCirno]

Titus isn't a cop...

Okay

Well uh

She is

But not in that way

This was weird

vs VT claims she might as well be a cop

[DrCirno]

I don't get it?

VT got no gun

[DrCirno]

Didn't titus claim masonizer gunsmith

[DrCirno]

gunsmith masonizer (me)

[DrCirno]

MASONIZER OR NEIGHBORIZER

IT ONLY WORKS

FOR 5 FUCKING PEOPLE

ONLY

5

PEOPLE

I'm p sure she meant her gunsmith part is not limited to those 5 people

[DrCirno]

mhsmith0
Whemestar
Insomniacs
MV
Vedith
PV
RM
Ginngie
S&R
(Ari, for lynching list)

I'll also note that I kinda townread Wheme, Insomniacs, and Vedith in varied degrees.
I think PV5 is SK so yeah

[DrCirno]

But I townread Wheme :\

[DrCirno]

@smith

I'd rather you guys vote me than Ari

I'd rather you guys vote me than Ari

Is there more to the TR there than the replace out? That seems like a pretty strong read with just that one data piece to it; what else makes you TR there?

I'm a Miller and will get lynched or vig sometime this game. So why would you guys even vote a slot that replaced out? Rather give that slot a chance to defend itself

[DrCirno]

Like, c'mon man
Put yourself in wheme's shoes
and think if you would say this as scum

[DrCirno]

can we lynch ari? seriously? like why is there any resistance to a wagon there? is anyone townreading that slot? anyone? im waiting. if i have time tonight im going to case him and we're going to lynch him, but if i cant people should at least be explaining at my face why the slot is somehow town and we arent lynching him.

and yes wheme, him replacing out isnt a good reason to townread him. especially if you cant convey why his replace-out was town in any kind of digestible way.

Good news, she's the major wagon rn.

[DrCirno]

WIFOM over risk man
Unless Wheme is a blatant idiot who has absolutely no idea what is going on in this thread whatsoever
I highly doubt that he does not know that he is within an inch of being lynched, even now.
Pouring fire to that is not what you do as scum, even as a goon.

[DrCirno]

I don't know but every time I see Titus v. MathBlade, I think of

[DrCirno]

Not yet.
Nor I feel the need to at this point.

[DrCirno]

I'll prob read up while this game is in night phase but I feel like I get a grasp of what's going on without having to read up.

[DrCirno]

To be honest the best way to use NAI Lie detector now is to make PV5 say "I made no action night 1" and check that. It's technically not NAI cos he technically could be town hiding a role.

[DrCirno]

It's technically NAI*

[DrCirno]

Man beetlejuice is not a scumtell
I do that as town all the time

[DrCirno]

Yeah I kinda want to lolvig him for absolutely no alignment-related reason at all.

[DrCirno]

But that would be something like VIGILANT BRUTALITY

[DrCirno]

thats not a masonizer then.

Does it matter?
Serious question

[DrCirno]

if we undoubtedly prove singleball

Only one flavored kill suggests singleball + SK with flavored kill. Giving only one scumteam flavored kill is awkward, weird, and might bring the team with flavored kill disadvantage.

[DrCirno]

thats not a masonizer then.

Does it matter?
Serious question

yes because it is titus lying.

Oh no titus is lying
in a game where people lie all the time

Do you scumread titus? Because otherwise you're just doing this for sake of just doing it.

[DrCirno]

How balanced is 23:8:1

[DrCirno]

I have never thought of this game as a multiball anyway so there is that.
Still it looks like a throwing shade, unless random thinks that Titus is scum.

[DrCirno]

Yes, she is certainly a scum neighborizer gunsmith clearing people everywhere and bus a roleblocker

Yup

Solid play

[DrCirno]

Like trust me.

Four hundred and seventy fucking seven pages and day flipping six and no sign of this other scum at all
This is not a multiball.

[DrCirno]

Like trust me.

Four hundred and seventy fucking seven pages and day flipping six and no sign of this other scum at all
This is not a multiball.

[DrCirno]

Yo

Civilization Mafia there wasn't even a scum team, everyone was town. There was like 8 days and no scum flips just trust me.

Nah this town already got rid of 5 scums
This town has SOME degree of competence compared to that clusterfuck
Plus a multiball has chance of crosskill is more frequent than this. If the other scum looks too town to be lynched they will likely be targeted by red scum. If they are not then surely at least one would've been lynched by now.

[DrCirno]

a multiball has chance of crosskill more frequent than this.

[DrCirno]

This game is a singleball with PV5 SK.

[DrCirno]

Oh also the only reason why I'm not going for PV5, even though I'm sure that he's a SK, is because it's even night which means he'll prob commute and not be a threat to the town.

[DrCirno]

Before I continue I probably should ask the mod who my previous targets were. Especially N2.

[DrCirno]

ok as I thought GE shot PV N2 (ISO > waiting for mod).
Now I can continue.

P-EDIT: Aye

[DrCirno]

Except ya know the kill flavor and how this game is going.

Just letting you know that multiple kill sources with only one flavorkill suggests SK.
And how this game is going?

N1: One flavorkill, one scumkill
N2: No kill
N3: One vigkill
N4: One scumkill, one vigkill
N5: One scumkill, one vigkill, One flavorkill

Given the claimed roles, please explain how these can be the kills from multiball.
Of course, I can explain this with my theory of singleball with PV5 being SK.

N1: Scum killed, doc missed, and SK killed.
N2: Vigshot went AWOL by shooting commute, scumkill prevented by doc
N3: scumkill prevented by doc. SK prob got roleblocked or sth
N4: SK couldn't kill cos lolcommuting
N5: All kills present

[DrCirno]

N2: SK commuted so no kill*

[DrCirno]

No need to check him
I'm shooting him N7 if he's still alive and I'm still alive.

[DrCirno]

It's n3 that has me concerned. I can plot out every missing kill with SK or second scum faction but n3.

Scum flipped roleblocker after all. It's possible that they roleblocked SK N3.

[DrCirno]

The RB got lynched Day 4.
Could've certainly blocked SK at Night 3.

[DrCirno]

I mean I don't know wtf scums are or were thinking
But it's the conclusion I can reach by ~deduction~

[DrCirno]

Davesaz visited Titus

Or they just plain tried to kill you

[DrCirno]

My theory is that SK kill got blocked by red scum.

[DrCirno]

Also BP is not a strong protective role
It has a counter called strongman, which is a very common mafia role.
Commuter in other hand, has almost no counters.

[DrCirno]

Role knowledge is not required to nightkill someone, you know.

[DrCirno]

Did you remind dr cirno that you had maria fakeclaim gunsmith
cause that'd probably be useful

And Maria ate NK because of it?
Yeah.

[DrCirno]

this doesn't follow then

Role knowledge is not required to nightkill someone, you know.

[DrCirno]

This is a50's read wall. If he blocked scum, it'll be reflected in here somehow.

Eh it's A50. I doubt it.

To be honest, I'm not even sure if they actually gave some thought about their action somehow blocking SK.

[DrCirno]

ANYWAY

if we're still talking about multiball, there is no explanation about

3

missing nightkills with given amount of protective roles we know.
Unless you think their kill is limited to odd-night or something. That means that I'm never going to trust your setup spec ever.

[DrCirno]

Gosh where are ppl to vote Ari right now
It's been like 3 years since I ever rolled a vig
I want to shoot someone already dammit

[DrCirno]

>scum could've roleblocked sk
>why didn't the roleblock gunsmith
>they could've just tried to kill you (regardless of the role)
>titus wasn't gunsmith to them
>role knowledge isn't necessary

[DrCirno]

Oh so Chairman Doggo had vote sitting on MV and ate nightkill N1. Sly had a vote parked on MV before he ate rope.
Does that mean MV is scumz?

[DrCirno]

S&R is prob town from that D1VC
Eh I'm kinda townreading them too so

[DrCirno]

I don't see anything too alarming?
If you meant Insomniac, no.

I do see MV on third vote of the wagon

[DrCirno]

okay fuck it.

vote: aristophanes

theres no reason to think hes town.
theres too many slots left.
we have a huge mechanical machine ready to parse the playerlist.
theres no reason to dillydally around.

im feeling like we need to just focus the energy of the playerlist into a few slots and pick between them and drive it up.
options on today's menu are PV, aristophanes and wheme.

PV's a reasonable option for SK.
aristophanes is a null slot at day 6.
if you think wheme is scum, you need to pick at his stuff about jjh's claim because to me that felt pretty town.

lets make something happen.

My beacon of sanity

[DrCirno]

And for Wheme's case, I just don't see scum fakeclaiming miller play this way.

[DrCirno]

page*top

[DrCirno]

oh wheme is also yumeslot because apparently that mattered to some people with regard to the miller claim btw.

omg yumeslot

I think it actually increased the chance of slot being town

[DrCirno]

@DrC, Nope Ginnie

He's late position on SlySly in 1.9, switches to Gamma slot in 1.11 after

Insomniacs votes them

.

This totally doesn't imply anything about Insomniacs

[DrCirno]

Two millers in this setup is crap.

But it is possible!
Even in micro

[DrCirno]

VOTE: Pere

Please Ari first.
Pere won't kill anyone tonight cos I'm always thinking of lolshooting him tonight and he better fucking commute

[DrCirno]

Like trust me if I'm still alive next day my first post of the day will be a vote on pere.

[DrCirno]

Two millers in this setup is crap.

But it is possible!
Even in micro

Have you send that before in a micro? If so, were they differently functioning millers? Them not working the same way was a discussion point earlier; cerb I think said that them not being same role function made it MORE credible rather than less (which I thought was dumb but haven't seen double millers before).

I've seen it! Cos I played in that game and I was one of the miller. And they all functioned same.

[DrCirno]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=28645

P-EDIT LET ME POST THE LINK YOU DAMN SCUMMERS

[DrCirno]

Someone who gives a damn put up a VC and how much time is left so we can see lynch stuff.

--Math

Ari at L-2, deadline less than 2 days

[DrCirno]

hasn't contributed a single goddamn read recently

I've seen him doing this as town actually.
So this is sadly not alignment indicative.

[DrCirno]

Someone quote me this "differences"

[DrCirno]

(It prob won't change my read though cos I'm not reading him based on the claimed role)

[DrCirno]

Intermission

[DrCirno]

Jj claimed to always return guilty to all types of checks.

Wheme claimed a more classic miller, who would show up as able to kill, but without a gu , and who wiuldnt be guiltied by the likes of trackers.

Both claimed that results on them would show them as an enemy.

Now I don't know anything about this Cowboy Bebop other than


Have their flavors fit the miller claims?

Anyway, I can buy those differences actually.

[DrCirno]

Man please don't make me hesitate like that
I was gonna shoot him tonight

[DrCirno]

you guys are fucking lame.

vote: PV

whatever.
lynch the shit out of PV.

but at the same time he's prob not getting replaced within the span of this day phase

w/e i guess
pedit: YOU FUCK I WAS GOING TO VOTE

Please vote so we can rob $5 from Ginngie

[DrCirno]

and THEN we switch to PV

[DrCirno]

are you guys seriously telling me we cant get 10 votes in 24 hours with this playerlist on PV?

Can you please vote Ari and then unvote

[DrCirno]

you realize ginn is going to hammer the moment i put ari to l-1 right?

You can vote and unvote in the same post

[DrCirno]

Ok fine fine

VOTE: PV5

This better be a fucking speedlynch

[DrCirno]

PV5 (3) - Vax, Gork, Me

[DrCirno]

This is Nos speaking isn't it

yeah btd6 is rather behind and hasn't really been posting since like, D3?

Vote PV5 the SK please

[DrCirno]

Scum also deserve to lose this game if they shoot me and Narna.

--Math

Ok fine in case of me getting hilariously drunk and decide to just lolshoot you tonight.
Because I'm afraid the chance of it is not 0%.

[DrCirno]

PV(5) - Vax, Gork, me, MV, Insom

[DrCirno]

I'll shoot Ari

[DrCirno]

It's because PV isn't likely red scum. I don't want to lynch anyone who isn't possible red scum.

I'll shoot Ari

[DrCirno]

Don't fucking shoot ari.

Seriously. If we don't lynch him, the mods will freeze the night until they find a replacemwnt. That replacement will read the game during the night, then be shot before they can say anything.

Shhhh.
I'm not actually gonna shoot Ari.
I'm trying to get Titus to join the wagon.

[DrCirno]

Aren't we all

[DrCirno]

Man at this rate I might have to use my vig for mercykill

[DrCirno]

Pv sk isn't impossible, but I don't like the theory, as I said before. It makes sense, I'll grant you that, but the limited kills for a SK seems pretty bad.

Limited kill is not my part of the theory.
My theory is that he's not shooting on even nights cos he's choosing to commute instead of killing.

[DrCirno]

yeah uhh every terrorist kill has been on an odd night
the nights pv cant commute
someone's probably said this already right?

< this guy

[DrCirno]

Pv sk isn't impossible, but I don't like the theory, as I said before. It makes sense, I'll grant you that, but the limited kills for a SK seems pretty bad.

Limited kill is not my part of the theory.
My theory is that he's not shooting on even nights cos he's choosing to commute instead of killing.

Still nerfed.

Still stronger than the BP SK you're suggesting.
Like, you have no idea how strong commuting SK is

[DrCirno]

okay whatever if ari flips something important then im not at fault anymore even though its my fault we're switching back.

vote: aristophanes

thanks everyone for this exercise in making gork feel less responsible for this shitty lurker lynch.
(dont worry this wasnt actually my reason for switching votes)

Oh fuck me

VOTE: Ari

[DrCirno]

Oh did I just hammer

[DrCirno]

CIRNO GIVE A POOL OF 3.

{Ginngie, MV, random}
+ obligatory PV in the list to make sure he fucking commutes

[DrCirno]

His no effort is NAI

[DrCirno]

I'm p sure Ari is sitting at L-1 rn

[DrCirno]

Ok fine fine you dolts

I'll shoot the flipping miller

All these miller-scares are hilarious

[DrCirno]

I quit mafia if there's a mafia doctor who protects a miller

[DrCirno]

{Wheme, Ginngie, Insomnia}

aka a miller and two randomly picked VT that is not MV.
Oh also +PV5

[DrCirno]

man these vig pool is so

BORING

[DrCirno]

RNG hates you man
I've been filling up random VTs in my pool
And you're always there

[DrCirno]

Is this how larges are these days

[DrCirno]

I just had a very short moment of thought that maybe ppl were arguing that it's a multiball because they know it's a multiball
I think I'm just exhausted.

[DrCirno]

Go for it

[DrCirno]

20:6:6 is ridiculously unbalanced btw

[DrCirno]

I dunno about 25:6:1
I guess it's sorta close to 25%ish scum ratio

[DrCirno]

redscum had a goon which means the scumteam is bigger than minimal though.

[DrCirno]

{Wheme, Ginngie, Insomnia}

aka a miller and two randomly picked VT that is not MV.
Oh also +PV5

[DrCirno]

lie detect math
Titus checks me with Gunsmith
Dave heals Titus
shoot gork (mercy kill)
Vax moves someone smart
Any night actions left do ya thing

Suggesting shooting Gork is fucking scummy btw.

I'm headed out now.

It's actually very ethical and I too considered it at one point.

[DrCirno]

It overlaps woth my lie detect. Please remove insomniacs and replace rhem with someone else.

Or else suggest a new pool for me, noting I have limited targeting abilities.

dw I'm shooting the miller
ppl just wanted 3 names.

[DrCirno]

Actually question

what really was the point of a mafia bodyguard?

It sounds like a cool role.

[DrCirno]

It was a joke?
I seriously considered it!

[DrCirno]

Finally a lynch

[DrCirno]

If I die please lynch PV5 for me

[DrCirno]

if i die please dont lynch anymore.
remember me by following the path of peaceful protest by rejecting violence against one another.

The joke is that you prob won't die, right?

[DrCirno]

Life is one cruel joke they say

[DrCirno]

"You better kill me you scumfucks or...
I'll actually try"

[DrCirno]

WOAH WHEME FLIPPED MILLER
WHAT A SURPRISE I TOTALLY DID NOT EXPECT THAT

[DrCirno]

VOTE: PV5

[DrCirno]

Guys
We are lynching PV5 first
Thank you

[DrCirno]

Do you want 2 anti-town kills tonight?
Because I certainly don't

[DrCirno]

I personally think smith is just misguided town

[DrCirno]

So, if PV!SK was able to shoot last night, I don't see why he wouldn't have done so, to weaken the theory you're throwing about regarding him. Maybe he chose not to shoot simply to make me doubt it because he could have shot?

Because if he didnt commute tonight he would have to risk being shot by me

[DrCirno]

Well by tonight I mean last night

[DrCirno]

Nah I'm 89% sure that he can kill all nights
It's just that he can commute during even nights and commuting when he can is the best way to survive.

[DrCirno]

I mean it's just not me man
He claimed town even night commuter.
The role he claimed has zero reason to not commute when he can.
If he is caught by something that he didnt commute, then well

[DrCirno]

Anyway if you REALLY want smith dead that much, then I'll shoot him.

[DrCirno]

Could be investigation proof

But I can wait until massclaim.

[DrCirno]

I still prefer to lynch SK today though, even if PV5 ends up not being the SK.
This is the point where we are over-relying on roles and mercilessly lynching all the non-confirmed towns, and body counts can decrease very quickly.

[DrCirno]

Oh he actually lie detected it?
I thought he checked Math last night.

[DrCirno]

but I am an even night commuter. i only commuted night one

VOTE: RM

[DrCirno]

Not bothered to figure out.
Let's just get rid of them both.

[DrCirno]

Not bothered to figure out.
Let's just get rid of them both.

I still prefer to lynch SK today though, even if PV5 ends up not being the SK.
This is the point where we are over-relying on roles and mercilessly lynching all the non-confirmed towns, and body counts can decrease very quickly.

I think lynching both of you will flip a SK on either side.

[DrCirno]

Rereading the game is taking forever. Going to pull a Titus and just start fresh.

Everyone convince me you're Town.

--Math

I need no explanation

[DrCirno]

I can't be a serial killer
When the SK has kill flavor and mine is confirmed to have no kill flavor

[DrCirno]

I'll sheep Gork cos I'm feeling lazy right now from all that holiday aftermath.

VOTE: Ginngie