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VOTE: guilty

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Blatant cw attempt

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Java what do you make of the wagon on you?

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Java what do you make of the wagon on you?

I would say it's very likely to have scum on it, but not necessarily all of the scum on it. I doubt scum would try to quick hammer this early in the day. I dislike Wisdoms response, and would expect a scum to try to throw shade at someone for an obviously sarcastic comment. I am happy with my vote where it is.

Which vote is the scummiest to you, if there is one?

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VOTE: theslimer

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Sometimes has still done nothing but try to look town

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Sometimes has still done nothing but try to look town

Slimer*

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Where are you trying to look for scum right now

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Where are you trying to look for scum right now

I dunno. I'm keeping my eyes on BBT right now. He seems to be searching for a reason to find someone to be scummy rather than finding out if someone is or not. Could just be RQS hijinks though

What do you think of guilty's questioning of him? And why didn't you have any questions of your own?

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Guilty is town I think

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Guilty is town I think

y

Because I can feel the genuine effort from his posts, and it feels exactly like the town!guilty I know. The things he's chosen to focus on really feel like town!guilty things to focus on.

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VOTE: beeboy

I'll come back to slimer, I'm seeing a lack of drive here.

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Also what's up with beeboy? See some potential scum in him?

Yes

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UNVOTE:

Would like to not have a quickhammer

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Dude, if you want to make something happen, you can ask questions, give reads, do a gambit, idek. What you're doing looks fake

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I've done that before

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Well scum can't really be frustrated that they can't scumhunt...

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Infinity - Can we be best friends this game?

Yes! But why do you townread beeboy?

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VOTE: slimer

Ok let's do this for now

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VOTE: java

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Good point, but I don't think java would expect a qh there nonetheless

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I suppose a lack of conviction. I'll admit that I am playing things internally but I guess it's because I'm not a very aggressive person so early in.
When guilty was questioning him I felt satisfied. But I never did get a satisfied "he's def scum, he's def town" just yet. I kinda can't do that like you guys do. I have to play at my own pace. See if he slips up or does something I like. Keep an eye on him. However you're right, I will try to ask more questions instead of stay on the sidelines keeping to myself

This is a good explanation for slimer's play.

GL: I didn't have the same opinion on 71--maybe you're biased because of the beeboy scumread?

I remembered a different (more energetic) beeboy from games I've read of his but I put more stock into vedith's meta.

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No, I think just java is scummy

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That's a pretty easy question to replicate and java is missing so much here. He tends to have more presence as town--haven't you seen that?

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Why didn't you mention that earlier?

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The fact that beeboy was more involved and active in a game you played with him before

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Uh...when you realized the difference was there? Beeboy hasn't posted content in quite a while, and potentially incriminating evidence is always relevant, especially this early?

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I think there's scum on beeboy

Out of the people who have voted beeboy so far, who do you think is most likely to be scum?

I think BBT is town based on his line of questioning so far

I mean you posted here, and there was already a wagon on beeboy at this point. If you had more to add why would you not add it?

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I don't like this. You're asking why didn't he mention it earlier like this was some sort of revelation. We all could have used before and was vital for him to bring up in the past. He brought it up now where it's more relevant since more people are talking and he's not. Why be so harsh toward his time for bringing it up now?

If the argument was really about lurking, I would see what you mean. It's possible I'm wrong and it is, but that would be silly because lurking even as a meta argument is dumb. Obviously RL plays a big part. I think the argument is about beeboy's presence in and engagement with the game, which was easy to notice when java was posting a couple pages ago. It's suspicious for me that he waited until now to bring it up--it seems like he was considering whether to out his reasoning because he wasn't sure he wanted to push the beeboy wagon, among other possible reasons.

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That's a pretty easy question to replicate and java is missing so much here. He tends to have more presence as town--haven't you seen that?

i'll give him time to get into it - what do you think of his presence since you made this post?

Still very much lacking

I think the argument is about beeboy's presence in and engagement with the game, which was easy to notice when java was posting a couple pages ago. It's suspicious for me that he waited until now to bring it up--it seems like he was considering whether to out his reasoning because he wasn't sure he wanted to push the beeboy wagon, among other possible reasons.

It's also hard to assess whether beeboy was going to be present and engaged in this particular game until more time passes. Now the day is more than half over

I guess, but I still think you can only really judge from the time beeboy was in the thread.

also, java and I both played with beeboy (when he was part of a hydra, WhiteLight) in Walking Dead Ep 5 and I felt he was much more involved in that game too. I was scum and pushing to mislynch him and it was pretty hard to fight against him towning it up in the thread.

I expect a lot better from him - however it seems his activity's been down sitewide, so I don't think it's an indicative pattern in this particular game. At the same time, I'm not getting any reasons to move my vote

I remembered the same thing, but I want to hear from vedith who seems to think differently.

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I realize you were referring to beeboy. Vedith says this is a normal opening for beeboy and I want his opinion on that.

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Vedith says this is a normal opening for beeboy and I want his opinion on that

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Ok let's cross check each other's games and try to come to an agreement

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=66255

And in that game he was much more involved and even had the highest overall post count.

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Yes! But why do you townread beeboy?

Yay \o/ Infinity is official off limits to lynch!
Well, the wagon doesn't seem convincing, BBT's reasoning doesn't seem convincing, this looks like Beeboy's town game. As I said, it's not odd for Beeboy to town read certain faces easier than others.
Also reminds me of their opening in viewtopic.php?f=84&t=68127

He gives many fewer reads and is much more whimsical here.

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I'm not feeling beeboy as town here. Vedith, convince me!

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I don't see why wisdom is scummy, scumreading people defending a particular someone is a strategy I think scum are unlikely to use for various reasons.

Though he's not particularly towny either

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intent to hammer

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Vedith, in my, java's, and guilty's experiences, beeboy tends to be a lot more active and energetic than this as town, and you've yet to properly address that. All you've done is given a town game of his in which he played very differently, and arguably was much more present than in this one.

Could this be a WK?

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VOTE: beeboy

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Vedith, in my, java's, and guilty's experiences, beeboy tends to be a lot more active and energetic than this as town, and you've yet to properly address that. All you've done is given a town game of his in which he played very differently, and arguably was much more present than in this one.

Could this be a WK?

If it's WK then you believe him to be town? So why the intent?
Also, his play from our game doesn't differ much from here. So far the only reason for his lynch is because he's not posting a great deal.
Sorry but I'm not sold by that. Anything else?

Where are you getting "this is a WK" from "could this be a wk?"

And youre continually avoiding the core issue that beeboy is lacking presence when he's posting in this game.

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Also I'm not seeing how the game you linked is at all similar to this one because the first serious post in his ISO there is #17 in his ISO, which is #122 overall.

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Where are you getting "this is a WK" from "could this be a wk?"

And youre continually avoiding the core issue that beeboy is lacking presence when he's posting in this game.

Looks to be shading while not wanting to put a vote down to me. Either I'm WK or not. But it shows you have doubt on the person you just put to L1.

I'm not avoiding it, I think it's weak reasoning.

You're accusing me of indecisiveness and weak reasoning. I'll accept that, but meanwhile you're doing what exactly?

I don't think the case on beeboy is incriminating. I think it's the best we have. He has about a 1/3 chance of being scum imo. Everyone else has a smaller chance. We lynch him, or at least force a claim at this point.

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what?
"Could this be a wk" means you believe it could be a wk, i.e. you believe beeboy could be town
And yet you vote beeboy in your next post
Meaning the wk talk is just you spreading paranoia
VOTE: infinity

If by "spreading paranoia" you mean "considering possibilities", sure

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It's page 12 guys

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You're expecting me to have solved the game. Lol

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"Beeboy is likely scum, but it's also possible he's town and vedith is scum"

"You're obvious scum!!!"

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I'll say it once more: beeboy is likely scum because he lacks presence here, and in the experiences of 3 different players here, he tends to have more presence as town.

I'm voting for a claim; most claims wouldn't change my mind though.

I get you could be just trying to work stuff out. So am I, but in a different way.

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I don't think the case on beeboy is incriminating. I think it's the best we have. He has about a 1/3 chance of being scum imo. Everyone else has a smaller chance. We lynch him, or at least force a claim at this point.

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thats a shitty reason to push beeboy for when hes like that sitewide

I think the amount of presence felt in the thread when beeboy posts in his other ongoing games is not a topic we should be discussing

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also while I don't think Wisdom's push on Infinity here is scummy, I also think Infinity's posting makes sense from a town mindset and doesn't really have scum-motivation in it. It's normal to vote someone while also still considering that they could be (or are even likely) town. I don't usually feel particularly good about a D1 lynch, it's the highest chance of mislynch

like FMPOV there's not a good reason to be really townreading beeboy, so anyone vocally townreading him could potentially be scum WKing a mislynch that will likely go through. doesn't mean I don't want pressure on beeboy at the same time

Thank you.

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Can someone town case wisdom for me / tell me why he can't be lynched.

Well, why should he be lynched other than "he scumreads people who are defending me" which stopped recently

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this is deflection. The fact of the matter is the idea that Beeboy is not around anywhere, not just here. Talking about ongoing games are indeed taboo, but using that to your advantage to not answer the question isn't just mafia-scummy, it's a scumbag move in general

Dude my argument has nothing to do with beeboy's post count, I don't understand how you don't realize that at this point. I'm arguing that beeboy's level of engagement when he is here and posting is lacking. If wisdom is using ongoing meta to counter that, that breaks site rules. I doubt wisdom was trying to do that, I think he just misunderstood my argument but I'm getting tired of people misunderstanding my arguments when I've already repeated them multiple times.

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VOTE: beeboy

I'll come back to slimer, I'm seeing a lack of drive here.

I remembered a different (more energetic) beeboy from games I've read of his

Vedith, in my, java's, and guilty's experiences, beeboy tends to be a lot more active and energetic than this as town

beeboy is lacking presence when he's posting in this game.

I'll say it once more: beeboy is likely scum because he lacks presence here, and in the experiences of 3 different players here, he tends to have more presence as town.

I'm arguing that beeboy's level of engagement when he is here and posting is lacking.

As if I didn't repeat the argument enough times yet.

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Well, why should he be lynched other than "he scumreads people who are defending me" which stopped recently

I love how this misrep is spreading
Where the fuck did i scumread anyone for defending beeboy?

Never said the reason was accurate

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do you guys agree with what beeboy is saying here that I was "portraying the situation like [he] panicked"? Because I really don't think that's what I was doing at all.

I want some other opinions on whether this is town!beeboy genuinely paranoid of my intentions and making a mistake in reading too far in my posts, or if this is scum!beeboy trying to frame my comments as being more manipulative than they actually were

I obviously disagree with beeboy here, and I think it's a stretch to claim that you were saying he crumbled under pressure. (I can see how it could be interpreted that way, but I'd think beeboy would also consider the option that you were just trying to point out that he backed up on the read).

However, I don't necessarily see what beeboy did as an intentional misrep, if only because town uses bad logic sometimes, especially against people who are scumreading them.

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If wisdom is using ongoing meta to counter that, that breaks site rules.

No, its as slimer says. What youre saying about beeboy is incorrect and shitty

What do you think I'm saying about beeboy?

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I don't think you understand what I mean by presence.

I think when beeboy posts in this game, he lacks energy/engagement/drive/whatever you want to call it.

For the millionth time, it has nothing to do with his post count.

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Vedith I know you're still trying to figure stuff out but could I get what reads you have so far?

Java, what do you think about vedith? And did your wisdom read change?

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I think when beeboy posts in this game, he lacks energy/engagement/drive/whatever you want to call it.

For the millionth time, it has nothing to do with his post count.

im not talking about postcount either
Apathy is probably the proper description and its not indicative

Dude. No. Site rules.

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Why?

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Vedith's reasons for scumreading people are a little off

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Do you want me to town case myself?

All I can say is that you're scumreading me for weak reasoning on page 15.

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Do you want me to town case myself?

All I can say is that you're scumreading me for weak reasoning on page 15.

You Scum read Beeboy because you say his posts lack energy... or whatever the shit was.

Right.

Now why am I scum again? Because I expression suspicion of you while voting someone else?

I actually don't get it

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Why would you expect me to have everything figured out when you don't yourself

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Yeah, that's why I don't have everything figured out.

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Like, me considering scum!vedith while voting beeboy is a result of not having solved the game. You also haven't solved the game. Why am I scum for it?

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Yeah, that's why I don't have everything figured out.

I do not care for this response honestly

What's wrong with it 0_0

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2 days until deadline. Let's just lynch beeboy

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It's possible vedith is scum because it was so hard to get traction on him, but it's also possible scum was just stalling and waiting for the inevitable town lynch. I'll have to look back.

I want to look at java again as well.

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I don't know why GL townread BBT but I want to trust that read

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My logic for voting beeboy still stands: he looked quite a bit scummier than vedith.

It's just that voting vedith because he had an unexplained townread that turned out to be right isn't enough for me. Sometimes town has good gut instincts...

Slimer, how many games have you played on this site?

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You're hopeless

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I'm saying that, in general, when someone has a gut read that's unexplained on a wago that turns out to be town, they aren't necessarily scum.

I think vedith is likely scum because he's usually more obvious town to me, and because he doesn't seem to have genuine reasons for scumreading people.

VOTE: vedith

Java is also likely scum.

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It's frustrating trying to interact with someone who doesn't seem to be trying to understand my posts

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It's just that voting vedith because he had an unexplained townread that turned out to be right isn't enough for me. Sometimes town has good gut instincts...

are you kidding me? Here youre saying that wking is not enough for you yet yesterday you wanted to note the possibility of him wking

Yep

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I think vedith is likely scum because he's usually more obvious town to me, and because he doesn't seem to have genuine reasons for scumreading people.

When have I ever been obvious town for you where you haven't been scum?
If I recall you call me scum more than town.

1 sec, it's possible I remembered wrong

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Wisdom think your posts through a little bit more next time please

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You're hopeless

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I think vedith is likely scum because he's usually more obvious town to me, and because he doesn't seem to have genuine reasons for scumreading people.

When have I ever been obvious town for you where you haven't been scum?
If I recall you call me scum more than town.

Ok I can't find any recent games with us together, idk what I was remembering

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Vedith I know you're still trying to figure stuff out but could I get what reads you have so far?

Java, what do you think about vedith? And did your wisdom read change?

Beeboy town. Still gut
BBT I originally thought town but I don't 're call anything he's done since I joined in
Java town - although I think his reason on Beeboy is weak his response looks very good. Not really enough to go on.
NM is more of a flip to see
You I think are Scum. Looking to prepare a mis lynch for tomorrow.
GL seem to have got defensive over you (or at least aggressive in moving away from you) but that could be because he wants Beeboy lynched and just being a pleb.
Wisdom possible Scum. I don't know, first time he hasn't Scum read me, unless he does...
Slimer gut says Scum. Not a fan of posting plus showing lack of reason for votes or just lacking general opinion.

I really don't like this post though

The only scumread in here are very general reasons that seem to be there just to say something about that person. And the rest of this stuff isn't even reads. The java townread seems like an excuse as well. I'll have to check on this, but I think vedith would normally give more unique reasons for scumreading people than this crap.

I understand being lost, but this doesn't seem like a lost town readslist.

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Slimer, what do you think of java?

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Slimer is noobtown

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How many games has he played?

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I ISO'd slimer and I still think he's town

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What do you think of his alignment

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I wanted to know about java because java is one of my scumspects. I don't think anyone has much to say about NM or BBT, but if you do, I'm all ears.

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Mainly that when I played with him before he has been much more involved and sure of himself.

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Yeah, just because a theory is wrong once doesn't mean it's wrong all the time

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Sorry for getting replaced, was in new hamsphire and had really shitty internet and couldn't declare V/LA when I went camping.

Gj town