Mini 1924: Mountainish Mafia GAME OVER!!!

[Blanche]

VOTE: lycanfire

i have no names to give....

i'm innocent - just like ethel rosenberg

[Blanche]

3. The Mafia will have an appointed "Godfather" to make their kills.

on a more serious note though kraska and i have been trying to figure out what the mechanical purpose of this is but we cant think of anything

the rolecop is obvious but??

this should come up later in the game

[Blanche]

VOTE: shaddowez

no thoughts on the above?

[Blanche]

thanks vedith

[Blanche]

VOTE: zach

Precisely what does Mountainish mean? This has been bothering me.

VOTE: Kinetic

basically most of town and scum's powers are vanilla (mountainous) but we can expect some sort of twist (probably the person we're supposed to protect)

the thing that makes zero sense though is that scum dont have control over who they can kill so??

like in a game with vanilla roles that shouldnt matter at all but that detail is very specifically there^tm

10:3 is already scumsided on its own too when it's vanilla so it just makes the setup even more fucking weird - unless it's like 11:2 or something but i dont think it is

[Blanche]

zach is actually worrying me btw and i really hope im not underestimating him

[Blanche]

**scum dont have control over who delivers their kill

<_>

[Blanche]

i thought zach would have a better attention to detail - especially when it came to us

[Blanche]

Read my posts again?

If you don't get it I'll probably explain it later but I'd rather wait to see other people's reactions.

[Blanche]

You guys got so close to pagebottoming then stopped?

That's just cruel!

not everything is about you ari!

<3

[Blanche]

thank god lycan is town o7

[Blanche]

thats fine zach

just vote vedith or anyone who isnt lycan or me and you can be town too

[Blanche]

what do you think?

[Blanche]

lycan gets it

[Blanche]

wow dunn really is right about you zach

[Blanche]

zach, what are your thoughts on the mechanic i pointed out earlier?

and the reactions that followed, too.

Dunn has woven several slanderous tales thereof pertaining to my character

i mean

kraska put in a good word for you but i like to focus what's going on in the now you know

[Blanche]

VOTE: shaddowez

no thoughts on the above?

@blanche, if you're town why would zach's post strike you as anything more than a page one joke?

i guess maybe i'm being a bit less general than i should but theres already been some interesting stuff going on here on page 2






all thanks to me

dear kraska

won't you come out and play-ay-ay

dear kraska

greet the brand new day-ay-ayyy

the sun is out

the sky is blue

it's beautiful

and so are you

dear kraska

it's like 5:23 in jordan right now ur gonna have to deal with me

[Blanche]

that reminds me

@mod, kraska head of blanche is going to be v/la until next week!

[Blanche]

I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE LYCAN



i actually just messaged her on tumblr to get her butt over here but she might actually be sleeping

[Blanche]

if you're referring to zach, yes

if you're referring to you, no

[Blanche]

No one reacted to this itself though

Which is the post of all these posts which has the most to do with the game


I thought that's what "reactions"


Side note idk why you just came out firing out of the gate lol that was weird


You know people are going to RVS.

i think dunn at least acknowledged it - as he should

vedith completely ignored it until i pressed him on it and gave a bad reaction (though it's actually a reaction i can see him giving as town so i'm going to hold off on voting there - feel free to sheep him but i'm putting my vote elsewhere)

gingham i guess i'm highlighting more for my general shenanigans but i think there's stuff to talk about there

and rvs is boring - the game's gotta go 0 to 100 you know thats how you catch scum off balance

[Blanche]

and as i say this i realized i literally missed nos's post

lol

[Blanche]

How are you catching anyone off balance exactly? Scum not coming into day one without hitting their PT

you'd be surprised actually

i know exactly what i'm doing

and wait now you're starting to confuse me - i agree that no one besides vedith (and you) has like directly talked to me about the mechanics post but what should i be steam emoji'ing at?

like this is why "i'm worried about you" is exactly how i should feel about you right now

[Blanche]

VOTE: carcalilly

[Blanche]

nah






we can revisit you later

VOTE: zach

[Blanche]

i'm not sure how i feel about him just yet

i'll feel him out soon enough.

[Blanche]

i'm not sure how i feel about him just yet

i'll feel him out soon enough.

in terms of alignment

worry is not an alignment

lol

[Blanche]

I'm literally fine with either of those options. Can we do real stuff now?

ok, sure

who should i vote for instead?

and dont give a stupid answer like me or you

[Blanche]

VOTE: Dwlee

you don't know who I am but I know who you are

No thoughts on Zach? Or me?

[Blanche]

interesting vote

why the same person as vedith?

[Blanche]

should have let zach answer for himself

[Blanche]

Just saying

And how the hell do you have 30 posts on the third page

I'm an active player in general.

For those of you that hate spammers though, I'll tone down later. I just need to get my footing down and then I'll be more tolerable

interesting vote

why the same person as vedith?

Why not? I have two completed with shaddowez and called as scum both times


Let's see if he pings me



Not that it's super solid but it's a useful vote as any rn.


Also FWIW there's something off about your aura. Don't worry I'll be able to clear it up later

ok, i like where this is going at least

VOTE: shaddowez

[Blanche]

Mine

selfish bourgie

[Blanche]

who wants to talk about the fact that there's a single role that the victory of town depends on?

what are you hoping to get out of this?

[Blanche]

then let's fight

the mafia mechanic discussion is at least more pro-town if you really want to go the setup spec discussion because scum probably have insight to what it means while town doesnt

all we know is that we cant let the mysterious role die and thats all we really

should

know (unless you know what that role is??)

so why not discuss the godfather mechanic instead?

[Blanche]

Anyway, this is Mountainish (no roles???) with an end-all town role and a mafia rolecop?????

probably but i dont really see how this is productive

[Blanche]

yeah this seems scumsided to hell from what we know

[Blanche]

maybe there's multiple bodyguards and town has weak prs?

maybe town has a masonry with a parallel to the godfather mechanic?

like you can pull whatever theory out of your ass that you want but it's not really going to go anywhere imo

i think what's said about it has been said and we should just play like normal now

[Blanche]

hm

nos what made you change your mind about zach?

Damned GIFs!

I have failed

it's ok

the proletariat's victory is inevitable

no need to stop us ari

[Blanche]

carcalilly is town

are you sure about this?

i wasn't kidding when i said that i wanted to revisit her

and lycan i thought we were mindmelding

[Blanche]

i don't think she's trying for most cunning manipulator

[Blanche]

i don't think she's trying for most cunning manipulator

i can see town motivation in it because i've already considered the possibility

i think there's a key difference to how carcalilly did it and, say, how kraska and i did and how you did it

my personal thoughts are to just leave it to the person with said role and let them do their thing

it's not like ari is just going to make the setup completely vanilla and leave them completely defenseless

[Blanche]

because carcalilly got me sidetracked

i don't really have any thoughts to give on it besides what i've already said (the thing about town/scum parallels in power) and was hoping pointing it out might at least remind people it's a thing that's relevant.

[Blanche]

2. The Mafia will have a factional Rolecop ability. It does not interfere with their killing ability.

3. The Mafia will have an appointed "Godfather" to make their kills.

[Blanche]

wait is that actually how it works

[Blanche]

@Ari if the godfather is lynched, is a new one appointed or do they permanently lose their ability to kill?

it's the only way this set up isn't broken

what did you think the godfather did?

i thought "appointed" would mean a new one would be picked if the first died??

if you're right though that makes a lot more sense

[Blanche]

uh

ok

lycan can you re-iso me then with that in mind?

thanks

[Blanche]

it didnt change

oh, alright

then lemme rephrase it to what made zach a good vote, but carcalilly a better one?

[Blanche]

VOTE: carcalilly

choo choo

[Blanche]

gotcha

[Blanche]

thanks dunn

[Blanche]

me too

lycan, gd, and dunn are town

nos and zach maybe

carcalilly and vedith are ok lynches from ppl whove posted but i do want to set a baseline for what's null in this table first

[Blanche]

Second, the setup isn't 11:2 or 10:3; it's 9:4.

Normally such a ratio would be seen as unbalanced, that on top of town losing if a certain role is removed from play. However, you guys have me on your side, and I've got a surefire technique for eliminating a member of the scum team on day 1.

I'm going to navigate the landscape and scope out the game for a few days but I should be able to hone in on scum.

hey dunn
circalilly's paranoia sounds informed. and her speculations are not openended, they emanate from the premise that this setup is scumsided and town doesnt have any abilities(see her posts where she insinuated scum rolecop is redherring)....thoughts on circalilly? given that you think the ration is 9:4

-kraska

[Blanche]

zach, i liked nos's votes and his general interactions with me. felt right but not super duper town.

You're such a master that you can say I'm town from the meme picture and me saying I've solved the setup without proof?

yeah those are really blatant townposts

as is your theory that it's 9:4

i would actually think a scumteam that's 9:4 would be more open to bussing considering they only need to secure 2 mislynches to win. keep that in mind.

on a more serious note though kraska and i have been trying to figure out what the mechanical purpose of this is but we cant think of anything

the rolecop is obvious but??

this should come up later in the game

You mean this?

yes, vedith, i mean this

just felt weird that there was open setup discussion and you completely sidestepped it. nos doing it too is there i guess but once one person ignores it it sets the tone for the rest so it's not as off.

~giggles

[Blanche]

also vij probtown

[Blanche]

also vij probtown

Go on, woo me with the read.
Why.

gut






and just saying "none" when you clearly now think the discussion is pointless just makes this seem worse - do you have no thoughts or do you think the discussion is pointless?

you'll see what i get out of it later though.

[Blanche]

i'm not going to convince you to vote carca unless you think she's scum

what's your read on her and why?

[Blanche]

maybe if you gave thoughts on my first posts you'd know why i'm a bad vote

i dont need to help you figure things out vedith - you're a big boy

seriously though if you're going to act like a guttownread on vij is a big deal then you're going to start wanting to give a shit about how you look to me

[Blanche]

carca's setup discussion seems motivated more by trying to rile up reactions from people that result in a certain role outted and like kraska said her opinions seem informed

if you think she's null then that's fine but we're definitely coming back to this discussion

and i have no interest in convincing you because i want you to make your own pushes so i and the rest of the town can sort you naturally

~giggles

[Blanche]

that part clearly wasnt meant for you

try the next post.

[Blanche]

Aye I might just make a bloc with Vedith.

is this one of those things were you gambit like that roman guy and make blocs with scum

i dont need to help you figure things out vedith - you're a big boy

You'll make me blush!

i'm just trying to make dunny jealous

seriously though if you're going to act like a guttownread on vij is a big deal then you're going to start wanting to give a shit about how you look to me

I honestly don't care.
I do care about how you get to your reads though.

his posts seemed natural and made me laugh. thats about it.

and i have no interest in convincing you because i want you to make your own pushes so i and the rest of the town can sort you naturally

Why don't you have interest in me voting scum?
What if my reads are scum motivated or just wrong? Surely you

want

me to vote in the right place?

it's like page 6 i'm more interested to see people figure the game out for themselves.

[Blanche]

it's ok vedith

if you dont get it now you'll get it never

[Blanche]

VOTE: Vedith

vedith will not be town here. discuss while the inevitable lynch goes through.

remember this folks

[Blanche]

yeah

[Blanche]

what's wrong with you? by all means - i'm starting to get curious.

what's wrong with me though? nothing, so i'm not interested in hearing it.

@zach

Yeah but now we're talking and I've got a wagon behind me as always. \o/

Wait it's 9:4 holy crap

carca why are you just assuming dunn is right

[Blanche]

But facts tho Carca is scum but giga was acting weird at gamestart. Would you like to explain this behavior kraska

i townread giga

[Blanche]

[Blanche]

zach the main issue i take with your scumread of me is that a significant part of it hinges on me scumreading you for your rvs post which isn't the case

it

worries me

and continues to. i'm townreading you at the moment and yet you continue to worry me. and if you keep doing things like insinuating i'm scum and townbloccing with vedith then i will continue to worry about you

i'll address the rest of it later i have shit to do rn

either way we should focus on carcalilly who i at the very least agree is scum.

pedit: see dunn gets it

[Blanche]

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

[Blanche]

UNVOTE: Carcalilly
172 reads townish to me, and the last few posts do make her look like an easy push

sometimes scum are easy pushes and this is one of them

why does 172 read like town? it's not like she didnt already know what she found, and she's confusing "mountainous" with "mountainish" which seems odd to me

like her setup spec thought process is really janky and doesnt add up

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

Oh no

Is blanche scum

dunn i thought you were sensibl e.... or that we were at least a gree'n on things.... :/

dont tell me i have to worry about you too




anyway i have to handle the first sock puppet head im worried about but i'll talk to you later

(although i do kind of disagree with kraska's read here on vij and i would like to talk to her about it in the pt)

[Blanche]

This is the first post you make.

nope - the vote above it is and is equally important if not more.

unless you're vedith.

call it a trifling detail if you want but that rvs post is the most important post of this game

This was a joke to me - from your later posts we see that it apparently isn't

i'm aware you thought that your vote is a joke but i legitimately thought that you would pick up on why i'm not a good vote from your point of you from my first two posts. i'm mistaken, and that's fine I guess but now I have to find another way to help you piece this together.

So my response to this initially is what the fuck are you talking about? Was the impression that you can read me? Are you underestimating my scumplay or my townplay? Where is the logical basis to actually hold this off of one RVS vote?

both of these are in response to a fucking obvious RVS vote LMFAO

The impression was actually that you can read me - if i have to be more obvious about it i can try but i'm not sure if it's sensibl e for me to. but i really dont want to underestimate your abilities here.

the vote was more to get your attention and at least show that you're who i'm focusing on. not an indication of a scumread.

Yeah, don't do this town leader bullshit with me, I don't follow it from anyone

I know you kinda play like you're obvtown but I never usually take issue with that because I usually tr you.

If your behavior is scummy to me I'm going to seek clarification and possibly vote you. If in lieu of substantive responses(which I need to sort) you act like you're obv town and I'm just the one that doesn't know it, I'm going to lynch you.

in that case you're going to find yourself extremely confused most of this game - your opinion here is fine normally but this game is not going to be played conventionally and you will have to adapt here.

if you need to sort me that's fine, just... expect me to continue to be off for as long as you're confused about this (and i'm "worried" about you). once you townread me what i'm doing will be crystal clear.

Literally zero clue what this even means. Was bolded referring to my "super scummy" RVS vote on you?

Also look at the top of this post : "The REACTIONS that followed later"

We'll get to that

bolded refers to the fact that kraska saying you would pick up on what we planned not happening and that i still need to adapt.

Great, you're way more skilled than me. You didn't explain anything though so your reply to the question means jack shit in terms of my question being answered and you are trying to maintain that it does?

i didn't want to answer it

on the grounds it might be incriminating

(ethel rosenburg quote lms if u got it)

when carcalilly and vedith flip scum you'll see why my posting caught scum off balance. i'd love to say more but i cant

anyway, i'll case vedith right after this

pedit: and here's someone else to be worried about

[Blanche]

Blanche seems to be forming some pretty strong opinions, yet not really trying to drive a wagon, they're just jumping around wherever there seems to be any sort of traction. Their interaction about Zach paying more "attention to detail" is weird, and they have a lot of posts, but not really much in them.

More people need to post before I seriously push Carcalilly and Vedith but those are the only acceptable lynches today at the moment.

My early game generally consists of pushing wherever the people I want to sort are pushing - hence my vote on you and then Carcalilly. I don't see how this is scummy.

And anyway, you're not lynching us this game - we're as innocent as ethel rosenburg

[Blanche]

I really like Vedith's 144 and 156. They both dig into motivation and reasoning.

They really don't.

144 is run of the mill mudslinging. Vedith is scum and has really no reason to question the godfather mechanic - asking me what he thinks I gained from it is a product of that thought process. To town, knowing that I'm bringing attention to it is key to solving the game.

I also never asked him to vote Carcalilly and I don't care where he decides to vote. He's trying to rile up a reaction from me to mudsling even more.

His response to 152 in 156 I'm also not really sure how this is "really getting into my motivations"? I already said why I don't care where he votes, it's like page 9. The game still needs to flow organically to find interactions between scum so that I don't have to do all the heavily lifting for the rest of the town.

His questioning is scum motivated.

pedit: keep trying vedith

[Blanche]

144 Vedith town imo

bad read but we can get carcalilly first

vedith is still a pretty transparent partner (his scumread of me came out of nowhere until i started pushing her, he was showing hints of scumreading gingham dog's vote of carca too)

[Blanche]

>: )

[Blanche]

. shaddowez- very shitty entrance, lots of echoing
2. Vedith- I can't read vedith for shit. Gigs says he's scum
3. DisplayName
4. GinghamDog- no opinion
5. Zachstralkita- town
6. Carcalilly- SCUM!!!!!!!!
7. Dunnstral- can you not ignore my last post at you. Vote carcalilly
8. Lycanfire- town
9. Blanche (A Hydra of kraska77 and gigabyteTroubadour)
10. Dwlee99- no opinion
11. Nosferatu- townlean
12. Kinetic
13. Vijarada- lean scum

My reads at this point

[Blanche]

Actually, I'm the exact opposite. If somebody forms a TR on me with no good reason, I'm suspicious.

Inquiring into town reads on yourself is one thing, discrediting them is another
-kraska

[Blanche]

Giga's read on vojarda was an early gut read (hes being natural, hes prob town) I'm sure I have seen carbon copies of vijarda's reply to giga come from scum and never town before in past games. Town wouldn't be thinking" I haven't done anuhing towny yet to warrant a weak tone read", that's the place vijarda's reply is coming from

[Blanche]

1. Daytalk is emabled.

[Blanche]

but other than that i'm fine with this.

[Blanche]

I'm at a genuine loss right now

oh man

bartender, can i get an almond milk?

[Blanche]

yeah you're fine nos

only vedith acted off

[Blanche]

Zach, i just want to be crystal

I don't need to worry about you anymore, right?

because if so i'm going to slow down on posting a bit and enjoy my almond milk

[Blanche]

He'll Get A Whole Clip From The Desert That's National Geographic

fire

Taking this as a yes

now let's give dunn his space while we wait for replacements

[Blanche]

210 [is] fake.

Fake in what sense?

It's not a reaction to Dunn, it's a reaction to Zach.

Also GD is scummy

Her questioning of me on page one is obvtown and her reads are town. Strongly disagree here

At least you're coming around on Vedith.

And Zach, do I really have to get another almond milk for myself? I really thought we were having a heart to heart here.

[Blanche]

Dwlee, what are your reads?

[Blanche]

Spoiler:

Ima low key get upset if you have to worry about me (for disagreeing on reads - I don't think this is the case)

If otherwise you don't have to worry about me overthrowing you, I'd like an almond milk too actually

As for that:

good.

i mean, theyre related actually

if you know why i'm craving almond milk then you should see the other things too - like I said, once you townread me what i'm doing should be crystal clear. if you need to re-iso me to get this then it's fine too. you probably will have the attention to detail i expected you to now

20 has that kind of point I like to see in town questioning. The timing ("RVS") is when scum are less inclined to find things to poke at, and for newbies it's a really strong town indicator from experience when there's already this much willingness to figure things out.

And I disagree that reads are NAI this game. Gingham's a lot more insightful than you're giving her credit for I think.

The unvote is bad, I do agree, but I think town is far more likely to hesitate at a point like that. if GD were a partner she wouldn't really need to take a step back and think. If you really need to though I'm sure her explanation and reevaluation will make sense.

pedit: go away vedith, zach and i are bonding!

ppedit: fine

[Blanche]

{Dunn, Lycan} - Confirmed town!

{GD, Zach, Nos} - Town!

{Dwlee, DisplayName, Kinetic} - Null!

{Vij} - Re-evaluate later!

{Shaddowez} - Very worried here!

{Vedith, Carca} - Budz!

[Blanche]

classic vedith

[Blanche]

ok fine

reads dont matter, just as long as dunn calls the right shots we're fine.

[Blanche]

zach has interesting reads to say the least

it's enough for now though and we can work out the details later

[Blanche]

You made me thirsty.

[Blanche]

Hey Dunn?

[Blanche]

This message has been removed.

[Blanche]

how's the scoping out going?

i'm surprised you're not ready yet.

[Blanche]

i think you're overthinking it but ok :/




i keep forgetting it's the 4th too whoops

[Blanche]

bad entrance

finds vedith's play town

[Blanche]

i mean you said it had lots of echoing, but echoing what?

Kraska said that, not me. Sorry, I'll try to remember signing more often (kraska does sign, I usually don't. used to be the reverse )

I actually just messaged her about that because I don't completely understand it either (she hasn't checked in today so) - from what I can tell though she meant his opinions on vij's reaction and his general lycan townread. if she meant something else she'll let you know.

anyway i think it's best now if i slow down on posting, i already promised myself i would but zzzzzzzz i can't distract dunn from scoping the landscape out naturally

i did everything I needed to though

~giggles

[Blanche]

I actually just messaged her about that because I don't completely understand it either (she hasn't checked in today so) - from what I can tell though she meant his opinions on vij's reaction and his general lycan townread. if she meant something else she'll let you know.

ok so basically i should just sit my butt down for 10 minutes before answering things in thread

really nothing shaddowez brought to the table was novel - concern over dunn and finding the interactions between zach and me off, and the things i already mentioned. there's also riding onto the antiblanche sentiment as soon as it begins to fly about the room

~giggles

last post today i swear

[Blanche]

VOTE: Vedith

will just vote for whichever of vedith/cacalilly is bigger

~giggles

[Blanche]

GinghamDog, Lycanfire, and shaddowez are being prodded.

[Blanche]

Are you familiar with Giga's scumgame

Giga is always town

Dunnbun my hero

also vedith is shit at reading me

only time thus far he's read me correctly i was already confirmed town

[Blanche]

Are you familiar with Giga's scumgame

Gigga is a book to me.
Each page is a pop up.

Are you familiar with Giga's scumgame

I know Giga is scum

you dont know shit

[Blanche]

Like you're shit at reading me?
@gigga

yeah

[Blanche]

vedith why do you only address me this game

are you scared of kraska?

[Blanche]

vedith why do you only address me this game

are you scared of kraska?

Because I like Kraska.

is she scum?

[Blanche]

vedith why do you only address me this game

are you scared of kraska?

Because I like Kraska.

is she scum?

No! She's innocent. Got caught up with a bad crowd

so is blanche scum or town?

like

i dont how you can act like youve sorted my slot if you think i'm scum but tr kraska

[Blanche]

makes 0 sense but ok

[Blanche]

well i get

that

i just dont get how he expects it to make sense from a town perspective

pedit: yes

[Blanche]

i mean

i get it

but i dont

anyone can take this slot, the game wasnt designed with a hydra in mind

pedit: aight

[Blanche]

A hydra is a slot that has two people in it yeah?

You played with Eddiebyte........

everything ive said about me applies to kraska as well.

[Blanche]

oh lol??

[Blanche]

theres not much else to talk about then...?

Carcalilly? GD?

personally i want to wait for the other replacements to weigh in

i'm ok w your slot now for what it's worth but i'd like to see you push something

[Blanche]

carcalilly is not town??

explain that

[Blanche]

also nos is most likely town

[Blanche]

by ok i mean "nullreading because i dont think a vedith partner interacts with him like that but lolpreflip"

[Blanche]

viewtopic.php?p=9370475&user_select%5B% ... 3#p9370475

I mean this is her most recent (scum) game - not sure it constitutes as "confused"

How does her confusion read as specifically newbie/genuine though? Some of the things she's said and responded to gave me the impression she's informed.

[Blanche]

Anyway jj i'm gonna b out for a while

i can hear kraska yelling at me to stfu and i'm busy anyway so i'll get back to you jj

would like an expansion of your read regardless

[Blanche]

I didn't explicitly tell you this but you might be in a scumslot Gamma, so yeah

Yeah - I'm looking back over my notes and I had an unfavorable lean read on GinghamDog

what how?

gamma worries me a little but GD's posting was fairly town

[Blanche]

are you sure your technique is surefire?

like on a scale of 1-10

if you dont want to answer thats fine but

[Blanche]

Lol??

No I'm worried you're going to walk into the noose if you're town and burn a ml

among other things that worry about some slots this game

do you genuinely think i'm scum

[Blanche]

i do the thing all the time and make shitposty votes like that often

i actually scumread carca's entrance but i wanted to sort zach first

what do you think of my pushes thus far?

[Blanche]

Gamma keep skimming because you're like

this

close to getting my joke and I'm getting antsy.

it's gamma

dont know what you're expecting tbh lmfao

[Blanche]

i do the thing all the time and make shitposty votes like that often

i actually scumread carca's entrance but i wanted to sort zach first

what do you think of my pushes thus far?

The emotes were fine
Your push on zachstralkita reminds me of your push on me in that other game. It was like "this seems a bit unfounded tbh" which was how I felt about your push on me that game

ofc it was unfounded i literally didnt scumread him

it gets cleared up later lmao

[Blanche]

how far are you inthread?

clearly not very far but still

[Blanche]

keep reading then tbh :/

anyway im out for the day

forgot to respond to jj, but can you dual-iso Carca and Vedith for me and tell me what you think?

[Blanche]

just lynch scum gamma

we can speculate later

[Blanche]

i actually scumread carca's entrance but i wanted to sort zach first

but you guys are genuinely confusing

I fixed the broken quote for you!
- Ari

felt like you would have poked at something specific if you were town and confused

In a nutshell what's the case on Vedith?

291
and then everyone sheeped

is dwlee everyone?

for wake...

• His interaction with the thread feels obstinate and like he's not trying to sort the gamestate genuinely
  
• He misconstrues interactions with him in a way that seems as though he's trying to turn things into fake scumreads
  
• Lots of mudslinging, little pushing
  
• Poor interactions around Carcalilly - not directly at her but at people who vote her/scumread her. Carcalilly is likely scum or lynchbait town (former is far more plausible)

if you need quotes Zach has plenty but I can connect them to the bullets

[Blanche]

What pinged you about it?

this isnt town questioning

[Blanche]

Why are you townreading GD if you felt her vote was opportunistic

[Blanche]

You having a sweat there, Vedith?

~giggles

[Blanche]

Self-voting can numb the pain

[Blanche]

He trolls as town but it's very different here.

There's usually a hint of coherency in his thought process as town, or at least not a stupid, deliberate obstinance. If he's town and useless then he'll straight up shitpost, not make pushes like he is here.

Plus I don't think the questioning of GD's vote and then townreading it makes a lot of sense, troll-player or not. It's like he wanted to frame the Carcalilly push as scum motivated but didn't want to be the frontrunner of that read.

[Blanche]

Okay, show me how to do it, and I'll try!

forgot this

Code: Select all

[vote]Vedith[/vote]

just copy and paste this code and then hit "submit"

make sure you delete the code tags

[Blanche]

Vedith

you did it!

[Blanche]

That sounds really early for a good scumread but I'll check it out...
It's a lot later a actually. A good case with motives. Tbh Vedith has contributed a questionable amount of content in a questionable manner. I want him to react first though.

I don't know about Dwlee now... Does feel kind of off but that isn't enough to put a scum label.

Your case on Vedith makes some sense, but I'm gonna wait to see what Dunn says, I'm massively curious.

Carcalilly talk to me about the thought process here?

like why did this go from "good case" to "off the table" for you

as for me, wake, it's not so much who's off the table as it is who's on. vedith and carcalilly are the only lynches i want today, though i don't think your vote is a bad choice either. vedith and carcalilly though have constantly scumposted imo while vij only had a couple of bad posts and doesn't really have much in the way of AI content that'd be useful post flip.

i guess my "off the table" choices though are everyone sans my two scumreads, vij, and jj right now. the last two are more of a "to sort later but wouldn't jump to defend if wagonned" though. i'm liking mars so far and i have no clue how to read you ever based on last time

[Blanche]

where are we at with vedith
VOTE: vedith

That's L-2

[Blanche]

For a 9:4 game, the Vedith wagon doesn't seem to have any resistance. Who are the buddies on the wagon?

me




on a more serious note though i think this is a better question to ask post-flip, mostly because we don't know how the wagon is going to develop until it finishes. the theory i have in my head is that scum don't have the towncred to push a counterwagon, which suggests buddies somewhere in {Gamma, Carcalilly, Vij, JJ, maybe Wake but he hasn't pushed anything so I dont know if he counts, I guess Nos but I think JJ's the only person willing to vote there atm}, but that's kind of confbiasing on my own reads. there's also the possibility this is still an all-town wagon and scum either can't get involved or don't want to (to instill paranoia) - i've seen it happen before (D1 scum lynches with an all town wagon and no counterwagon).

case in point it's way too early to make a call imo

Not trying to post a trillion times in a row, but wagon speed should definitely be heavily analyzed in a 9:4 setup. An impossible lynch is likely the correct one. An easy lynch is definitely wrong. Am I correct in saying this? This likely holds true for most mafia games, but I'd assume even moreso here. Is 9:4 common? Maybe I will read some setups like this.

you would be right if we were in the normal queue but this game is significantly different from what you would expect

the fact it's 9:4 should tell you as much tbh. this game is extremely gimmicky from what i can tell

[Blanche]

scum could also have a strong incentive to bus

[Blanche]

Why did we just decide it was 4:9

dunnstral said so

and i agree too

[Blanche]

why do I agree?

because dunnbun <3

[Blanche]

that's fine and probably the better call playwise

there are four people (and ari) in the scum pt though - soon to be three

(the hardest part for me emotionally will be separating vedith and carcalilly from their secret hideout )

[Blanche]

it's not really an interesting pov when dunn has literally told us that in no uncertain terms it's 9:4

[Blanche]

i have no clue how to read wake ever

[Blanche]

Why Nosferatu over Vedith?

Have you read my bullet points on Vedith?

[Blanche]

giving the finger to jjh

his nickname is "can i scumread titus" get it right

[Blanche]

where are we at with vedith
VOTE: vedith

VOTE: Nosferatu

Wagon me.

Not sure if lynchbait or scum

Who?

you

it's ok wake you can sit this one out

are you sure your technique is surefire?

like on a scale of 1-10

if you dont want to answer thats fine but

Ok

I believe I've figured this game out for real now.

I think we should be lynching

vedith

today. I've found information to suggest he is scum this game!

VOTE: Vedith

I know this isn't exactly revolutionary because he was getting wagoned; I believe I'll be able to help town out for a second scum tomorrow and I'll lead this one

What information?

dunn claimed to be the special townie.

[Blanche]

\o/

[Blanche]

i'm not sure when we'd like a hammer but this is the lynch today.

the second scum will be easier to find i expect, and then it should be smooth sailing from there

[Blanche]

Claiming to be the special Townie doesn't make it so, and either Scum or a VT could make that claim.

Assuming I'm Scum or lynchbait is a rookie move. I'm content to observe for now. Although, unsurprisingly, I'm probably right.

you aren't and dunn is absolutely in a valid position to make that call :/

it's ok vedith's flipping scum and the gamestate should be much clearer to you after that

[Blanche]

Claiming to be the special Townie doesn't make it so, and either Scum or a VT could make that claim.

Assuming I'm Scum or lynchbait is a rookie move. I'm content to observe for now. Although, unsurprisingly, I'm probably right.

you aren't and dunn is absolutely in a valid position to make that call :/

it's ok vedith's flipping scum and the gamestate should be much clearer to you after that

How are you so sure Vedith is Scum?

Have you read my bullet points?

there's 0 way his play comes from town. lynch me if i'm wrong.

[Blanche]

Okay, show me how to do it, and I'll try!

forgot this

Code: Select all

[vote]Vedith[/vote]

just copy and paste this code and then hit "submit"

make sure you delete the code tags

vedith you want to try this again?

pedit: wouldnt surprise me but i think we can work around it

ppedit: people have reason to make absolutist reasoning this game wake. pay closer attention.

[Blanche]

dunn gets it

[Blanche]

lycan i love you and it's tearing my heart apart that you're constantly in prod range

[Blanche]

classic wake

[Blanche]

Giga.

I'm a snarky gal

[Blanche]

I don't see the damning evidence that Vedith is basically mod-confirmed Scum. You cannot know that, so don't lie to me.

I'm pretty sure he's scum; I don't wish to disclose any more information and I believe this lynch will go through

Hasn't this happened before, where you become recklessly deadset on something, and you wind up being wrong? I mean sometimes you hit a nail, but more often than not it's a toe or a puppy.

This time it's an ice pick and we're hitting Leon Trotsky.

I'm Karl Marx

gal

slip

you got me

[Blanche]

There is a lot of intellection behind my snark.

Read my iso? like really carefully

maybe dunn's too

Also intellection is not a word but i think i know what you're getting at.

[Blanche]

The real Special Townie (ST) would stay quiet.

strongly disagree

[Blanche]

how else will they prevent themselves from getting lynched?

the setup isn't instalose if the special townie claims, that'd be poor design.

[Blanche]

^ this is a scumclaim ftr ^

ppedit: wake is not scumclaiming

[Blanche]

I'm an informed town and I made 2 posts for Dunn to spot it.
If you ignored them, Try not to do that, okay?

"an informed town" lolwhat

the only town that's going to be informed in this setup would be the special townie - nothing would make sense otherwise. the game would just be about dropping crumbs and finding those crumbs, that's not mafia

and im fairly sure theres nothing in vedith's iso that can be construed as something informed

[Blanche]

New plan

VOTE: Zachstralkita

firmly against this.

[Blanche]

We're lynching Vedith.

He's trying to draw out a CC. If he were actually informed he would have commented at my posts gamestart.

pedit: Yes? And scum too.

[Blanche]

If he's an "informed townie" his informedness flips with him.

He's not the special townie.

[Blanche]

yes i know zach

we're not lynching you as long as i live and breathe o7

[Blanche]

[Blanche]

If he's an "informed townie" his informedness flips with him.

He's not the special townie

.

[Blanche]

dunn i swear to god

do i need another fucking almond milk

He's trying to draw out a CC.

From who? I've claimed...

he's scum

all he knows is that there's 4 scum and what a vanilla townie knows

obviously scum will think that the godfather mechanic means that there's some sort of catch

pedit: ok maybe i'm wrong about that point but vedith is scum

[Blanche]

I'm getting so many mixed signals here

UNVOTE:

I'll think about this some more

holy shit

dunn

i dont know how i could be more crystal about this

i am literally drowning in almond milk here and they dont have that much in peru

[Blanche]

dunn talk to me

this really is not as hard as you're making it

scum will claim PR in normal games to draw out CCs and pull reactions from people to learn more about the setup

this is basic mafia. there might be an informed town role besides you. idfk. but vedith's claim is bullshit.

pedit: ok never mind but my point here is still salient.

[Blanche]

it's not informed townie

[Blanche]

oh you were talking to dunn

[Blanche]

" I can't say too much - it'd be dangerous - never mind the fact that I'm about to be lynched and this isn't already a really hard PR soft. "





Sounds logical...

literally

[Blanche]

this fucking game LMFAO

[Blanche]

When it flips red lynch in Carca

i approve

[Blanche]

ok look

i dont want more people to react to vedith

can we hammer him now




if he flips town you have full reign to speedlynch me

[Blanche]

That won't be necessary

of course not he's obviously flipping scum

[Blanche]

classic wake





you know, i predicted this to happen

in my pt




for hydras.

[Blanche]

{Dunn, Lycan} - Confirmed town!

{Mars, Zach, Nos} - Town!

{Wake} - Worried about this one....

{Gamma, JJ} - Null!

{Vij, Dwlee} - Re-evaluate later!

{Vedith, Carca} - Budz!

rainbow reads before i go to sleep

[Blanche]

pedit: i literally typed up a post

[Blanche]

dwlee if you really want to know you can read my iso i say it somewhere

if dunn doesnt want me to say it though i'm fine with that

[Blanche]

Scum team is Vedith, Carca, Lycanfire, Blanche
And we lynch them in that order

quote me on this

[Blanche]

Dunn isn't the chosen one, but he's town.

vedith's play does not reflect someone who thinks this.

[Blanche]

Dunn is my special townie.

[Blanche]

even from a EV perspective the correct play is still to lynch vedith since he's hardclaimed not-special-townie and if he's town whatever "informedness" he has will flip with him

i agree with dunn that the next play after a vedith lynch is a carcalilly lynch but i'm ok with discussing who the remaining two scum are. {jj, vij, dwlee, gamma} seems like a good pool to work with here

I was saying I'm informed not that's my roles idiots.
So I might as well say since it will say now. Dunn isn't the chosen one, but he's town. I was going along with him because I knew he had the right intentions but now his entire plan is worthless.

This is a town post. It practically confirms him if I'm on the right track. He knows Dunnstral isn't the chosen one.

you're going to have to take my word on this but it's a scumclaim.

[Blanche]

Okay.

1) How do you know they will flip full role PM?
2) Unless he has a post restriction on his "informedness", why wouldn't he just say it?
3) It's probably because SCUM shouldn't know whatever he knows. I don't think it flips with him, probably redacted out.

The INFORMED is probably about the special townie... why would scum have information on that?

1) We don't need to see the full role PM to know how informed he is - there is no role called "informed townie" this game. if he is informed he's going to have a role name that goes along with what sort of information he has.
2) Giving a posting restriction to someone wrt what information they can give doesn't make sense since they can crumb it. If there is a posting restriction, it's on the special townie, and they probably can't claim anything besides vanilla or special townie to prevent fakeclaim gambits ruining the game ("no, i'm bulletproof, i swear scum!").
3) Vedith, by play, has demonstrated that he's not informed town. There's more than enough hints for town to pick up on what the special townie knows and Vedith has ignored all of them.

Scum aren't going to have any information on the special townie, I agree. Vedith's play however clearly indicates he knows nothing about the special townie.

pedit: Vedith doesn't know anything besides who his partners are.

[Blanche]

Then you need to read closer Mars.

Don't answer - this is just to guide your reading.

How do you think Dunn was able to figure out the setup was 9:4 "in no uncertain terms"?

[Blanche]

I would think if you understand that you'd know why Vedith is scum here but i guess not?

I'll let Dunn say his piece then, that's fair.

Sorry :/

[Blanche]

I'm counter claiming vedith here. He isn't informed townie. We either lynch him or someone explains why I'm scum or someone explains how there can be a pr besides me

Thank you.

Someone hammer Vedith now. This day needs to end.

[Blanche]

thanks boo




shoulda done a soviet hammer but hey

[Blanche]

making the text readable was hard but quality memeing isnt easy

[Blanche]

ok maybe that was a little mean

sorry wake \_O_/

[Blanche]

you wound me zach

[Blanche]

where is lycan anyway

[Blanche]

if lycan picks up his prod during the night and doesn't get replaced (really dont want him to ) let him say his piece before we hammer carcalilly

i'm going to not post that much because i think my ISO and dunn's leadership should be more than enough of a sufficient case to secure that lynch, so hopefully you can all catch up to my ~200 posts this game

sorry for being an intolerable spamfuck to those that have a tough time reading through it.

[Blanche]

dunn he's twilight trolling

[Blanche]

0001

Carcalilly

———✶

Can you talk to me about why you first felt the

Vedith

case was good, but then told

Wake88

he was off the table for you?

Dunnstral

———✶

Sorry about

Lycanfire

. I wouldn't worry about finding someone to replace him until tomorrow. Let's just focus on

Carcalilly

today.

Dwlee99

———✶

I'd like to know what your gut's telling you.

Gamma Emerald

———✶

Do you still feel that

Mars Argo

is scum after her reaction to

Vedith's

claim?

jj "can i scumread titus" h927

———✶

Titus

has been happily shitposting for some time now. I assume this is how she normally plays day 1? Nobody has flaffed it. Anyways, she seems quite happy to go with a passive bond and has made no indication that they would benefit from being the active. There was some random voting before the

Eddie

bandwagon. All in all, this amounts to be not having the faintest idea at this point in time and I'm not going to pretend I have a read here.

Lycanfire

———✶

I hope you can forgive me for being an annoying shit and wasting your time.

Mars Argo

———✶

Does my scumread of

Vedith's

claim make more sense now in light of his flip?

Nosferatu

———✶

How does a

Carcalilly

wagon feel to you right now?

Vijarada

———✶

Please contribute more.

Wake88

———✶

Sorry if you feel isolated or excluded this game. Can you take a second look at my points against

Vedith

and

Carcalilly

, if not my entire ISO? Also, from our discussion from before, I think the special townie's biggest threat is not the nightkill, but the lynch. Hence why they must be loud enough to be widely townread.

Zachstralkita

———✶

I just wanted to thank you for having the attention to detail I knew you had in you all along. Let's get

Vedith's

partner.

*To make up for my incessant spamming for this game, I will now be posting Wake-style questions every 48 hours or so. The game is completely solvable from my ISO alone, so I don't need to double the length of my iso to ensure an already ensured lynch. I hope everyone is having fun so far ^_^

---

Willing to Lynch Carcalilly Day 2?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No'.)

• jjh927
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Wake88
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Zachstralkita
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Carcalilly
  ~ Yes/
  No
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Blanche (A Hydra of kraska77 and gigabyteTroubadour)
  ~
  Yes
  /No
  
  Dwlee99
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Nosferatu
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Mars Argo
  ~ Yes/No
  
  Vijarada
  ~ Yes/No

---

VOTE: Carcalilly

[Blanche]

Better yet

Let's all listen to ZACH tomorrow, I'm getting tired of leading this town. You're up buddy

*slams 7 shots of almond milk


From The Hellfire Of Memes I Was Born And To The Hellfire Of Memes I Shall Return When I Am Dust

wont be necessary, i got this from here on out. D3's gonna be wild ride

also breaking self-imposed posting restriction to post this lol - last post for today though so no explanations of anything

i have no clue where that dancing cat is from btw i found it deep in my gif folder - animal crossing animals usually have mouths tho......................

[Blanche]

@Mod, please reveal us as the Prime-Numbered Night Bulletproof Miller Ascetic Double Motivated Innocent JOAT (2-shot Tracker, 2-shot Watcher)

The

final

scum is not us, jj "can i scumread titus" h927, or Dwlee. It's

Vijarada

.
As soon-to-be-confirmed town we formally request to have today's game-ending hammer once Giga is home from work.
Please keep Vij at

L-2

if you choose to vote him. That's

3 votes

.

For the record, we

hardclaim Prime-Numbered Night Bulletproof Miller Ascetic Double Motivated Innocent JOAT (2-shot Tracker, 2-shot Watcher)

---

I would like to take this moment to give thanks - thanks to town for making this game extremely easy on us and bloccing quickly, to scum for being great fakebuddies and fun people, and to Ari for a fantastic game. Special shoutouts to our boy Zach and my precious Dunbun for having the attention to detail I knew they both had all along and for drawing the front-end aggro away from us like MMO tanks. Figuring out the set-up as quickly as you both did takes some skill, even if it's being waved in front of your face obviously. I know Lycan and I think jj were close too and I also would love to hear post-game what clues everyone picked up on.

For those who aren't detail-inclined, the above is not our real claim. Ari will soon reveal us as the

Town Mole

- the real special townie. We have a posting restriction that prevents us from making any sort of non-vanilla fakeclaim - sincere or joking - with the punishment of being publicly outed. So, yes, we're deliberately being punished to make this day a clean sweep. We've provided constant hints throughout our ISO of our true identity, but let me try to break our play down a bit so it all makes sense.

Our role essentially was an informed townie - yet the specific way we were informed (that would flip with us) was that we had posting access in the scum pt. We have a town wincon but the informedness of scum. The role of a special townie that ends the game if they die sounds like a difficult one to carry, but you all made it

a lot

easier. And, yes, this means

the set-up is 10:3

.

The buff town received to counter the Mafia Rolecop was our own wits. Everything about the set-up from the scum's point of view heavily indicated that the special townie was in their own PT. Namely, the godfather mechanic (only a member of the mafia could ever be nominated as the godfather since townies can't use a factional kill), the very careful wording in the role PM that never mentioned who the scumteam was, and the absurdly large scumteam. With careful manipulation, however, Kraska and I were able to convince the scumteam that the set-up made sense

and

that the optimal play was to hardbus. Scum then had no reason to think that the people carefully putting together the team's plan for endgame were, all along, working against them. Any sort of obvious soft we made was brushed off as rolefishing and trying to get reactions. Hardbussing was the right play to foster an anti-town environment to set-up future mislynches, to let town fall under its own hubris, to fish for information a la Vedith's claim, and to stall for time to let us get in more rolecops.

To ensure town won, we had to be certain that at least one townie would figure out the set-up. I carefully laid out several crumbs with the intention that one of {Dunn, Lycan, Zach} would figure out what everything meant, although they can easily be pieced together by anyone perceptive enough to look into why we were acting so off early on. The first two posts in the game, as I said earlier, are the most important of this game. Our constant references to Ethel Rosenberg (Kraska's idea) was to point out we were a spy for the town team, and the big vote for Lycan was to draw his attention to a reference he'd likely connect the dots on fast enough. Of course, that RVS vote alone could mean anything, so I had to emphasize that it was important. By bringing to light the Godfather mechanic, I pointed out that not everyone in the scumteam was, in fact, scum. Gingham's confusion over the setup also gave me the opportunity to question the numbers of the setup and shoot down the idea that 11:2 was possible. From all three of these points, I'm fairly sure Dunn instantly connected the dots and realized that the setup was "in no uncertain terms, 9:4" and that we were the special townie.

There were some other hints I provided as well when those three weren't enough. Whenever someone went off-course with regard to our own slot and was town, I would emphasize that I was "worried about them" but never call them scum. When Dunn and Zach worried about me being scum, I tried to hint to them that I was basically a Town Traitor. The sensibl e reference (and the a gree'n thing i made up on the fly) was a reference to Large Normal 200, where Zach crumbed to Human Sequencer that he was a blue traitor. The occasional calls for almond milk were a reference to Dunn's infamous role-swap in Mini 1787 (Peruvian Nightclub Mafia) to signal to Dunn and Zach that I was roleswapping with Dunn and OK with it too. I knew I could be obvious and bring attention to all of this (even after explaining it to scum in the PT) because scum thought I was scum and that this was all to pocket the VTs Dunn and Zach. My reaction to Vedith's claim was practically a special townie hardclaim as well, but I played it as though I was gaining towncred for pointing out Vedith's bullshit. Like I told Wake - the special townie

will not

stay quiet this game, because staying quiet doesn't let town know who they are!

Once it was clear that Dunnstral figured out the set-up, I made sure that my readlists and my pushes emphasized Vedith and Carcalilly being buddies - specifically my buddies since I knew that Dunn was calling me scum semi-correctly. Since we only needed to secure two scum lynches to win, I could completely ignore Vijarada and tell him in the PT that I was setting him up for endgame in case he needed to bus me. As long as Dunn made the connection, we won. Zach, Nos, and the most of the town having strong scumreads on both lynched slots only sealed the deal further, and it was smooth sailing once we shared a glass of almond milk.

The kills were both happy accidents - assuming Vijarada actually submitted the Wake kill (writing this 12 hours in advance LMFAO). Lycan - if I am reading him correctly - knew that Kraska and I were the special townie but felt our play was reckless and wanted to understand how other townies were figuring it out. While perfectly fine for a player to do, with how quickly the game wound up moving I was hoping that either the night would allow him to catch up or his kill would prevent him from possibly going rogue or outing info town did not need to know at that point. Genuinely did not want to kill him though, but the scumteam thought it might dissuade town from speedlynching Carcalilly. Wake as a pro-town kill should be obvious - I actually had to do no manipulation for that!

Vij should be clear as scum though from his reaction to Dunn's claim - they're fake as fuck and smell of knowing it's actually 9:4 (it's not but).

If there's any questions Kraska and I need to answer, let us know. My phone broke the other day so I'm not going to be able to post after this (hopefully posting on lunch break from an ancient IPad, otherwise I'll ask kraska to do this asap).

Please actually let us hammer though - for the dramatic effect!