Mini Normal 1917: :X Mafia (Game over!)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ftr I’ve never seen “blatant” role fishing come from scum. I’ve only seen it from town that didn’t think things through before posting. It’s a legit awful reason to scum read somebody, and comes super close to, “If they’re not scum their terribad town”.

Do me a flavor, Can you think of any games where scum blatantly role fished?

first i just want to make it clear that i think this is the town way grendel discusses this scumread

anyway

i mean i guess not? i dont think i've dealt with a rolefish before in my mafia career besides slingshot (though i thought he was a tracker) but the way you did it felt like you were missing the point of kitty's reads and felt detached.

I didn't understand how you could think my push was in its entirety bad when Death row Kitty was giving me nothing to work with interaction wise. I didn't look back at the slot until D2 becuase their slot was super null express.

I was still scum reading Back hand. I cloudn’t think of how to articulate why due to one of the biggests reasons I thought he could be scum being a ethically grey thing that could be inappropriate to pick at. I wanted to make a case that was sans that, but never got around to it.

hmmm

ok i get this.

though i did think your drk push was bad because i thought the way she reacted to your "rolefish" was super obviously town (even before replacing in).

[gigabyteTroubadour]

havent read vedith's case yet but how do the confs feel about vedith/backhand over vedith/hiraki

i dont think i'm not lynching vedith today just for the sake of clarity and because his role doesnt make sense in the setup so far but the question is which of {ccc, hiraki, backhand, grendel} is his partner.

i'm pretty firm atm that grendel and ccc are town. i dont think hiraki's interactions with vedith right after his case though feel like scumVscum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like grendel's defeatist attitude is sitting well with me here and is exactly how i would expect him specifically as town to feel here

ccc doesnt make sense with the gamestate as scum.

[Hiraki]

i think to win the game, the best route is

Grendel -> CCC (only here because I realize that I need to start compromising) -> Backhand -> Cheetory (unless he's a neighbor now?)

So I'm your only legit scum read?

clearly not what it states

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hiraki i think you missed that cheetory is confirmed town

from your pov i should be in his place. (and you forgot vedith)

[Hiraki]

i thought that's what happened, 2051 shows that. moreso interested in the first half rather than the backhalf; i doubt you or vedith are actually mafia

after backhand should be u -> vedith

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why are you sure that vedith's town?

like why would this setup have a backup when there's already a realistic possibility town has a 3 person masonry

[Vedith]

vedith can die but hiraki do3snt get a bye

Fuck you Mutton!

[implosion]

Vote Count 3.4

Vedith (5): gigabyteTroubadour, CCC, MuttonChopMagic, Backhand, Vedith
Grendel (1): Hiraki

Not Voting (4): Grendel, NotTheRealPaul, kraska77, Cheetory6


With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is at 7:00 PM PST on Wenesday, July 12, in (expired on 2017-07-12 19:00:00).

[kraska77]

Ugh I think this is town vedith...vedith vote grendel with me pls
Giga is definitely town here...grendel continues to distance himself from the main happenings of the game and wallposts on an outside shot instead... he's scum
Backhand, giga, vedith and Paul are town
That leaves hiraki and ccc as candidates for last scum
VOTE: grendel

[kraska77]

Giga don't you think this is town vedith?

[Vedith]

Kraska didn't read my post?!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga don't you think this is town vedith?

he's unreadable for me too

idk

is he willing to put this much effort into a scumgame? town i can believe i guess

but what is he a backup of and why

grendel i still think is town too?

[Vedith]

I'm a back up of being right. After you prove that you're wrong, Gigga </3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hey i just realized

this is mini normal 1917

☭

[CCC]

I think the worst thing I saw in regards to Vediths slot was that point where Nero unvoted Not mafia D1 when NM started gaining steam.

but that's it?... everything else is null

I haven't read that wall Vedith posted yet ethier. All them post links inviting cross examination are intimidating.

That's one of the points against the slot. The other is that he gained a backup PR role.

We're in a game with at least one Neighbour (PenguinPower, killed night one - so presumably there's a second Neighbour out there), at least one Friendly Neighbour (MCM) with a 2x Loyal modifier, and at least one Doctor (no nightkill on the first night). That seems like a

massively

strong Town. The odds of there being a Backup Role on top of that - well, that's starting to look a bit silly. (Of course, Vedith had no choice; Not_Mafia already claimed that much on Day One).

[Vedith]

If it helps, I'm a backup role to an unclaimed role.

[CCC]

I don't think hiraki should be cleared by any means--its light evidence that I don't think a buddy would go so far to defend him in the first place. But its definitely not impossible.

Also, I'm definitely letting vedith's garbage case get to me and it makes me just want to string him up--but what should actually happen is letting our three confirmed townies tell us what to do.

In my view, the remaining members of the Mafia can be found in the set {Vedith, Grendel, Backhand, Hiraki}. And of those four, the one with the best case against him is Vedith.

[CCC]

Ok I'm done reading both accpuntant and nero's iso's
Accountant waltzed into the game saying it's full of VIs, and spent a good portion of day 1 piling on notsure, gamma and waffles. Accountant iso emanates lots of confidence in surviving till endgame, we already know that 3/4 people they pushed either flipped green or are confirmed town at this point. With the exceptions of backhand. Halfway through day one accountant switched gears and campained strongly for a backhand wagon...., dpesnt make much sense for a widely townread accountant who is strongly manipulating the flow of the game, to get off the lynchbaits that everyone wanted lynched and bus backhand instead

Hmmmm. Backhand's definitely not the lynch for today, at least.

[Vedith]

and at least one Doctor (no nightkill on the first night)

This isn't the reason for the no kill.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh

UNVOTE:

hang on.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

vedith, are you positive that claiming what you back up is absolutely damaging to town?

[CCC]

Yeah but I'm right.

For what it's worth, you've got me pretty much convinced that one of you or Backhand is scum. So, my plan is to vote for you today and wait for the flip - if you're sum, then my next target is Grendel, while if you're Town, then my next target is Backhand.

Unless new information comes in or someone presents a particularly persuasive case, that is.

if vedith flips green I want hiraki before backhand I think
backhand is pretty townie... hiraki... is pink

I'll agree that at the

moment

Hiraki looks worse than Backhand - but if Vedith flips green, then Backhand's estimates change. Because in the Day One wagon on the Not_Mafia slot - everyone on that wagon except Backhand is either strongly Town or confirmed Town. So, if Vedith flips green, then that's a strong argument for Backhand being the scum on that wagon.

[Cheetory6]

If there's a doctor that's probably worth the counter claim.

[Vedith]

Well, it won't help town.