Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE: Navy

Nope. Not lynching Navy if y'all feel bullied into doing it rather than honest communication happening.

Fuck that, Titus. You don't get to dictate why we vote just so you can make yourself feel better about forcing our hands. You can have our conviction or you can have our Navy votes, but you don't get both.

Well the we no lynch. I don't bully anyone into anything. We will talk this out. We will find the scum doctor.

Okay, so you're going to hold the whole fucking game hostage because you can't get your way, right?

We want to lynch Math? Titus isn't okay with this because we picked someone she townreads. No lynch.
We very begrudgingly accept a Navy lynch? Titus isn't okay with this because we aren't smiling about it. No Lynch.
The only way we're allowed to have a lynch is if we agree to your lynch in a very specific way. That's fucking trash.

[Titus]

which cop do you want checking me then?

Doesn't really matter as long as there's a cop on every living doc (math in place of me if paranoid) and a doc on every cop that can get a result

we arent fucking blowing 3 cops on the docs ever

No. It's ideal.

Cops check docs.
Docs heal cops.

Scum are fucked. If a cop dies, FoS doc. Scum are forced to shoot in doctors which narrows PoE. Cops also narrow PoE.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus you may not respect me but everyone else in this game does and there's no fucking way I'm letting things go your way.

Cop checks on docs are useless if we don't know what alignments they come from.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Navy

Nope. Not lynching Navy if y'all feel bullied into doing it rather than honest communication happening.

Fuck that, Titus. You don't get to dictate why we vote just so you can make yourself feel better about forcing our hands. You can have our conviction or you can have our Navy votes, but you don't get both.

Well the we no lynch. I don't bully anyone into anything. We will talk this out. We will find the scum doctor.

Okay, so you're going to hold the whole fucking game hostage because you can't get your way, right?

We want to lynch Math? Titus isn't okay with this because we picked someone she townreads. No lynch.
We very begrudgingly accept a Navy lynch? Titus isn't okay with this because we aren't smiling about it. No Lynch.
The only way we're allowed to have a lynch is if we agree to your lynch in a very specific way. That's fucking trash.

So either I'm a jerk because I won't accept you feeling bullied or I am a jerk for letting you be bullied into a lynch you don't want. That's a no win scenario.

[Kelvin Smith]

I highly doubt we'll have more than a Cop or two Night 3 anyway, so I'm fine having them on Math if it means we'll actually get a Math lynch tomorrow.

@Titus: If a Cop has a guilty on Math, will you lynch Math?

[Titus]

Titus you may not respect me but everyone else in this game does and there's no fucking way I'm letting things go your way.

Cop checks on docs are useless if we don't know what alignments they come from.

That's where PoE comes in. We eventually get to an impossible setup.

Not every cop can say inno. If that happens, we know there must be a partner arrangement

[Titus]

I highly doubt we'll have more than a Cop or two Night 3 anyway, so I'm fine having them on Math if it means we'll actually get a Math lynch tomorrow.

@Titus: If a Cop has a guilty on Math, will you lynch Math?

Depends on who it is

[RadiantCowbells]

Nope, not discussing it with you when you're being like this. You can tell people to do what you want but they're just not going to listen to you.

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE: Navy

Nope. Not lynching Navy if y'all feel bullied into doing it rather than honest communication happening.

Fuck that, Titus. You don't get to dictate why we vote just so you can make yourself feel better about forcing our hands. You can have our conviction or you can have our Navy votes, but you don't get both.

Well the we no lynch. I don't bully anyone into anything. We will talk this out. We will find the scum doctor.

Okay, so you're going to hold the whole fucking game hostage because you can't get your way, right?

We want to lynch Math? Titus isn't okay with this because we picked someone she townreads. No lynch.
We very begrudgingly accept a Navy lynch? Titus isn't okay with this because we aren't smiling about it. No Lynch.
The only way we're allowed to have a lynch is if we agree to your lynch in a very specific way. That's fucking trash.

So either I'm a jerk because I won't accept you feeling bullied or I am a jerk for letting you be bullied into a lynch you don't want. That's a no win scenario.

The problem is, you refusing to lynch Navy doesn't somehow mean that we haven't been bullied. It just means that we've been bullied and denied a lynch.

Look, there's no arguing that RC and I didn't also try to use strongarm tactics. We're not in the right for that. But you're also not in the right because of your stonewalling us and breaking our spirits. What's done is done though. I'm choosing to place my vote on Navy because unlike you, I find a no lynch to be an unacceptable result. An undesirable lynch is almost always better than no lynch. And Navy isn't even that bad of a candidate, just way worse than Math.

[Kelvin Smith]

I'm letting you guys know right now that if Cops aren't on Math tonight, I'm likely voting Math tomorrow if there isn't a Guilty on somebody else. So let's just not beat around the bush and Cop Math.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Navy

Nope. Not lynching Navy if y'all feel bullied into doing it rather than honest communication happening.

Fuck that, Titus. You don't get to dictate why we vote just so you can make yourself feel better about forcing our hands. You can have our conviction or you can have our Navy votes, but you don't get both.

Well the we no lynch. I don't bully anyone into anything. We will talk this out. We will find the scum doctor.

Okay, so you're going to hold the whole fucking game hostage because you can't get your way, right?

We want to lynch Math? Titus isn't okay with this because we picked someone she townreads. No lynch.
We very begrudgingly accept a Navy lynch? Titus isn't okay with this because we aren't smiling about it. No Lynch.
The only way we're allowed to have a lynch is if we agree to your lynch in a very specific way. That's fucking trash.

So either I'm a jerk because I won't accept you feeling bullied or I am a jerk for letting you be bullied into a lynch you don't want. That's a no win scenario.

The problem is, you refusing to lynch Navy doesn't somehow mean that we haven't been bullied. It just means that we've been bullied and denied a lynch.

Look, there's no arguing that RC and I didn't also try to use strongarm tactics. We're not in the right for that. But you're also not in the right because of your stonewalling us and breaking our spirits. What's done is done though. I'm choosing to place my vote on Navy because unlike you, I find a no lynch to be an unacceptable result. An undesirable lynch is almost always better than no lynch. And Navy isn't even that bad of a candidate, just way worse than Math.

Great. Where have you felt bullied aside from me not caving?

I feel no lynch is acceptable if no one wants a lynch. Bullied lynches are on town.

So let's hear RC out on alban being scum doctor

[Titus]

I am going to bed, but this needs to be sorted with no one lock voting anyone or ordering cops around unless its an agreed upon plan.

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE: Navy

Nope. Not lynching Navy if y'all feel bullied into doing it rather than honest communication happening.

Fuck that, Titus. You don't get to dictate why we vote just so you can make yourself feel better about forcing our hands. You can have our conviction or you can have our Navy votes, but you don't get both.

Well the we no lynch. I don't bully anyone into anything. We will talk this out. We will find the scum doctor.

Okay, so you're going to hold the whole fucking game hostage because you can't get your way, right?

We want to lynch Math? Titus isn't okay with this because we picked someone she townreads. No lynch.
We very begrudgingly accept a Navy lynch? Titus isn't okay with this because we aren't smiling about it. No Lynch.
The only way we're allowed to have a lynch is if we agree to your lynch in a very specific way. That's fucking trash.

So either I'm a jerk because I won't accept you feeling bullied or I am a jerk for letting you be bullied into a lynch you don't want. That's a no win scenario.

The problem is, you refusing to lynch Navy doesn't somehow mean that we haven't been bullied. It just means that we've been bullied and denied a lynch.

Look, there's no arguing that RC and I didn't also try to use strongarm tactics. We're not in the right for that. But you're also not in the right because of your stonewalling us and breaking our spirits. What's done is done though. I'm choosing to place my vote on Navy because unlike you, I find a no lynch to be an unacceptable result. An undesirable lynch is almost always better than no lynch. And Navy isn't even that bad of a candidate, just way worse than Math.

Great. Where have you felt bullied aside from me not caving?

I feel no lynch is acceptable if no one wants a lynch. Bullied lynches are on town.

So let's hear RC out on alban being scum doctor

There's a huge difference between not caving and saying "it's my way or the highway." You're willing to grind the game to a halt and stop our ability to lynch because you won't allow us to lynch your townread for legitimate reasons. We're willing to compromise lynch because we're tired of fighting you on this and the deadline is looming. It's now or never and I'd rather it be now than never. If you want, I can fucking lie to you and say that I suddenly think Navy is the right choice.

[Kelvin Smith]

Look, if you're gonna be obstinate about this No Lynch thing, I can just replace out, if you want. Maybe my replacement will be more receptive to your line of reasoning.

[alban]

Titus, if you are gonna be obstinate about lynching me, I can just replace out

[alban]

whoever (RC?) said cops should check cop claims makes sense. it clears two people in one go.
the cop should visit Math in the night. for that, we need him alive.

[Vedith]

I'll cop whoever I feel needs copping.
Not where someone says to, otherwise scum possibly manipulates who is checked to cover themselves.

VOTE: Navy

[Gamma Emerald]

Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

Personally I'm curious what makes me worth doccing

[Gamma Emerald]

Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

Also Alban RC is pushing you not Math

[Gamma Emerald]

We agree on Kelvin lock town. Let's start there.

I'm going to stop you right there. It doesn't matter that I know I'm town. It doesn't matter that I'm obviously town. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense for me to be anything else but town. Don't lock me as town unless you have the hard data to back it up. That's just good policy.

Excuse me but you were on Titus' case for saying no to lynching Math because that wasn't a good info lynch for her.

[NJAC]

I'm not going to make it. My apologies to Almost50 and the players. Too many things to deal with in real life right now.

Replace out

[NJAC]

Just wanted to mention that Titus didn't read D1 yet she thinks AS's choice of protecting my slot made no sense. Those who read D1 know that I was town read by several players.

I think AS is town.

[MathBlade]

...RC I have told Titus this and she doesn't get it. I am getting ready for bed please don't fight I don't want to read miles of RC Titus Spam in the morning.

Remember how I said I didn't want to read miles of spam. This definitely qualifies. Navy Alban Kelvin all scums.

[Kelvin Smith]

Titus, if you are gonna be obstinate about lynching me, I can just replace out

Hey, alban. Now you're the one being a dick. I'm serious.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought of a solid idea. We lynch in docs today and we make a cop chain. Here's a starting chain.
Vedith cops Math
I cop Vedith
Paul cops me
NJAC/replacement cops Paul