Micro 729: C-C9 Mafia | Game Over

[Gorkington]

can you like.. briefly reference what you feel is similar play or different play from his town/scumgame?
i thought the verbosity of the towngame/overreachy thoughts looked similar to here and his scumgame looked a lot more limp.

[Realeo]

EBWOP

1. But why the conclusion is scum!Myko instead of stupid!Myko?
2. I have won a game as scum simply because I posted the game breaking strategy (to be precise, pointed out a better strategy). For meta divers, check The Purge in my wiki. Game breaking is the ultimate wifom as scum because "there's no way

scum

would do that."

[chamber]

re game1: I was like wow this really seems like myko in this game, maybe I misjudged him if this is town. Wasn't him as town.

[chamber]

Yeah so, the main point of commonality that I see between his scum game and here, is how he is always reaching conclusions and never seems like he's seeking answers. It's not a natural play pattern for scum and I don't see it in his town games. I wasn't looking at level of verbosity at all.

He also triggered one of my secret tells(tm) in that scum game and this one.

If I had to guess I'd guess scum with bella this game.

[chamber]

er, sorry, not a natural play pattern for town*

[Realeo]

BTW.

I oppose BTD no lynch's plan. Simply for the fact that at wost case scenario, we would only get 1 town clear in 4 v 2 and given the level of information deduction avaliable for scum to narrow down the kill, the worst case is pretty much probable.

However, if BTD is still willing to fight for it--and as a fellow setup speccer, I discourage it if you can't come with concrete numbers. I for instance only setup spec when I have the numbers--then the only improvement I can suggests is that instead hypoclaiming randomly, we hypoclaim the player below or top (whatever you decided) on the player list to ensure each player is only checked once.

@Mod: Someone is due for a replacement =/

*I'm aware, searching for one at the moment. Thanks for reminding me anyway!

@Chamber: I'm not in capacity in meta dive. Does town!myko asks question?

[chamber]

@Chamber: I'm not in capacity in meta dive. Does town!myko asks question?

I haven't done an indepth meta dive on him to be clear. I skimmed some of his games to make sure he wasn't obviously like this in all of his games. IMO he isn't. With that said I don't think it's as simple as "does he ask questions?". He seems to prefer making statements as both alignments, big style clash between the 2 of us that's real. But he still seems to be seeking to learn as town.

[Draynth]

Day 1, Votecount 6

Mykonian (2):

Edosurist, Chamber

Chamber (2):

Tenshii, Mykonian
BTD6_Maker (1): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (1): Realeo

No Lynch (1):

BTD6_Maker

Not Voting (1):

Bellaphant, Gorkington

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-07-22 00:00:00)[/area]

*If I ever make a mistake in a VC please don't hesitate to let me know!
**Tenshii is currently V/LA
***Bellaphant has failed to respond to her prod. I will start searching for a replacement but if she posts in the mean time she can keep playing.

[mykonian]

Look at this, people actually using meta on me. I'm impressed.

Indeed, I don't play the same as scum or town. Why bother, nobody looks.

Chamber's stock is rising, cheet. You should buy.

like, what would have been the town way to go about that?
would town him have gone through all of the pros and cons of what town would do vs scum would do? why is it not just him taking a step back and thinking "what will scum do to fuck with whats going on?"?
are you actually confident that scum is more likely to do that than town or are you just spitballing here?

Do you see the town point of view turn up in his post at all?

Even if your first thought is how it could go horribly wrong through a certain line of scum's, how's not your next thought: "well how can I fix this".

In this case, say you predominantly direct people to target their scumreads. For one, you get a claim situation where you can criticise people, the second, you avoid tenshii's line.

And it's dead obvious first solution (if scum follow his strategy, they shoot in their mislynch pool), but he doesn't even give it a thought. I don't know if it's

the

solution, but then you can talk about it.

I don't understand how you can look at a post that makes the choice to think about the setup, and the only features the scum side of things, no interest in advancing what town could do about it, and consider this perfectly fine. It's as unnatural as it gets.

You're literally doing what you're pushing me for. Why aren't you continuing off of my thought process and trying to figure out a solution to fix it?

I did. Was the post too long? Try again.

[chamber]

Look at this, people actually using meta on me. I'm impressed.

Indeed, I don't play the same as scum or town. Why bother, nobody looks.

Chamber's stock is rising, cheet. You should buy.

like, what would have been the town way to go about that?
would town him have gone through all of the pros and cons of what town would do vs scum would do? why is it not just him taking a step back and thinking "what will scum do to fuck with whats going on?"?
are you actually confident that scum is more likely to do that than town or are you just spitballing here?

Do you see the town point of view turn up in his post at all?

Even if your first thought is how it could go horribly wrong through a certain line of scum's, how's not your next thought: "well how can I fix this".

In this case, say you predominantly direct people to target their scumreads. For one, you get a claim situation where you can criticise people, the second, you avoid tenshii's line.

And it's dead obvious first solution (if scum follow his strategy, they shoot in their mislynch pool), but he doesn't even give it a thought. I don't know if it's

the

solution, but then you can talk about it.

I don't understand how you can look at a post that makes the choice to think about the setup, and the only features the scum side of things, no interest in advancing what town could do about it, and consider this perfectly fine. It's as unnatural as it gets.

You're literally doing what you're pushing me for. Why aren't you continuing off of my thought process and trying to figure out a solution to fix it?

I did. Was the post too long? Try again.

Does it seem like there is any thought behind this post?

[mykonian]

Chamber, do read the towngame as well. Just pretend. Now you are using two posts for the scumgame and call it a day. You are being wishy washy about it, there's nothing to call you on there, that's a bit too easy. If you were serious about meta it'd be doable to actually write solid lines about it, without having to disclose any "secret tells". I have a different perspective, but I don't even try to have town and scum play similar.

You've barely posted at all and are now posting a V/lA for 40% of the remaining time. I'm tempted to just lynch you if you are going to be even less active during that period.

Compare this with the comradery chamber shows for btd:

@BTD: You should start engaging the game from other angles bud, we are lynching and you want to be part of that.

[chamber]

Yeah so, the main point of commonality that I see between his scum game and here, is how he is always reaching conclusions and never seems like he's seeking answers. It's not a natural play pattern for scum and I don't see it in his town games. I wasn't looking at level of verbosity at all.

He also triggered one of my secret tells(tm) in that scum game and this one.

If I had to guess I'd guess scum with bella this game.

I read the town game before making this post. I had actually already read that one though. The specific scum one I skipped because I avoid replacement games as a rule when looking for meta on players.

BTD didn't just announce a 4 day break from the game, and seemed to be starting to engage (if only on his own limited axis). There is a stark difference there.

[mykonian]

I think the main difference from your point of view is that btd came under fire, and you could play friend.

[chamber]

You can claim to think whatever you want.

[chamber]

I retract my proposed myko/bellaslot pairing.

[Draynth]

Quilford replaces Bellaphant effective immediately.

[Quilford]

MUAHAHAHA

[Gorkington]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenshii]

I did. Was the post too long? Try again.

No. You added a thought to it but never came to a conclusion. It's the same thing.

[Tenshii]

VOTE: gork

you guys are fast!

For the Edo comment? Had me scratching my head a bit too.

The unbiased way to question the vote would be to ask "Why?" It should be asked without bias because Town!Chamber asking a Scum!Bellaphant who happened to just empty vote without reason just gave Scum!Bellaphant an excuse for the vote. Whether or not Bellaphant had a reason or not, Chamber doesn't know.

what exactly is your expectation of my earlygame bella?
because the only thing i'll concede is that im trying not to goof around as much.

Doesn't this just sound like something scum would be worried about? The emphasis on what's conceded.

This is essentially asking "Do you think you are being scummy?" The question doesn't help figure out alignment and instead comes off to me as trying to put shade on the post.

You've barely posted at all and are now posting a V/lA for 40% of the remaining time. I'm tempted to just lynch you if you are going to be even less active during that period.

Cuz inactivity is totally a scumtell. Trying to use my inactivity as a means to start a potential lynch. No where in this post is him trying to figure out alignment.

[Gorkington]

This is essentially asking "Do you think you are being scummy?" The question doesn't help figure out alignment and instead comes off to me as trying to put shade on the post.

it doesnt seem like youre trying very hard to seriously parse chamber from this.
have you read his whole ISO?
because this really isnt what happened here.

[Papa Zito]

Tenshii those are some bad posts yes.

however

If the standard is "every post made must be used to figure out alignment" then it looks like we're in a 9p scumgame gj team we win.
ALSO why are you cherrypicking those particular posts when chamber's iso consists of so much more (aka a giant mass of mykohate) - it's not because those don't fit your chosen narrative is it?


pedit ffs gork let me play too

[Gorkington]

this is the gorkshow.
you are just a participant in me running the gorkshow.
get used to it.

[mykonian]

Cuz inactivity is totally a scumtell.

you post and are still inactive. This is eggregious to me.



But I'm busy. Cheet. Join me. This is a good wagon. Lets get chamber lynched:

Nah, it's what you don't say. I press you twice on the fact that btd takes one single deviation from his nonengagement, he comments on one scenario, to defend himself by proxy, and twice you refrain from comment to keep your positive outlook of him intact. There's no confusion.

[Papa Zito]

What's the purpose for scum chamber to do that myko.