Mini 1927: Breaking Bad Mafia - Game Over

[gerryoat]

cause now I actually have to try lol

this does worry me a bit.]
town gerry doesnt really try/ is borderline troll.


gerry back to null.

hahahahaha you're implying that you can read me. Link me one game where you've read me correctly. People try and use dumb meta on me, and are always wrong.

[mozamis]

easy tiger, i know you want a fight , but you're town so unlucky :p
i was asking Almost why he seesm to be saying you are scum, but not voting for you. I was attacking Almost, not Gerry.

[gerryoat]

it is odd how gerry - who NEVER tries - seems desperate to survive now.

How do you know I never try? Because I try all the time, just because you've never seen me try as town, doesn't mean i don't.

[mozamis]

get to the end of my posts, wherei change my mind, and read you as town.

[gerryoat]

@ Bachand - all townies that die are bad for us. Last game i was in , there was a twn vig who kep killing town. we loved it as scum...
Yeah, if the doc is unlimted, then he should save gerry.
that post from you looks town.

Yeah, townies dying is bad but we don't know gerry is town. The higher percentage of kills that aren't done by Mafia is good for us. Anyway, its vax's call at the end of the day, we've made our points.

I'd rather lynch dany or desp but I also agree with you on chick--also LUV was a weird kill and they know each other, she might have been worried about him reading her? Slight evidence against her, worth remembering.

I'm town. and since there are 11 ppl left, then there will be 10 after i die, 9 after lynch, 8 after kill. Meaning since I'm town, and if we mislynch, there is only 4 town against 4 non town (assuming mafia doesnt ill 3rd party)

[gerryoat]

does anyone not see how letting someone die at poison is awful for us right now?

[Robbnva]

I'm town. and since there are 11 ppl left, then there will be 10 after i die, 9 after lynch, 8 after kill. Meaning since I'm town, and if we mislynch, there is only 4 town against 4 non town (assuming mafia doesnt ill 3rd party)

these numbers will be off some so we really need to decide what to do with you and also decide right on the lynch.

Who are your top 3 scum and why please

[Robbnva]

does anyone not see how letting someone die at poison is awful for us right now?

The limited knowledge I have of you, letting you die would probably be ok but I think we should probably prove the role.

[Robbnva]

So I against my better judgement I'm voting for proving the role. Let's see if it exists first and then we can discuss alignment

[gerryoat]

I'm town. and since there are 11 ppl left, then there will be 10 after i die, 9 after lynch, 8 after kill. Meaning since I'm town, and if we mislynch, there is only 4 town against 4 non town (assuming mafia doesnt ill 3rd party)

these numbers will be off some so we really need to decide what to do with you and also decide right on the lynch.

Who are your top 3 scum and why please

Explain how they will be off?

And I already explained why A50 is scum. Backhand I'm very weary of for posts that i've already quoted. that's all for now. Those are my 2 biggest SRs at the moment.

[Robbnva]

Depending on how things go today there could be another death.

I'll look at your a50 post. I'm suspicious of him also

[Robbnva]

VOTE: a50
I actually like the point you made about a50. I was already suspicious of him and I question a bunch of his reads. Plus he acts like he's town leader when he's done nothing to earn it

[Robbnva]

Currently I wouldn't even consider lynching in Wisdom, Chicka, Desperado & Vax.

This list is weird. Those names should definitely be under more suspicion. The fact he has them as his "do not lynch" list is weird.

Chick and wisdom have done nothing to warrant a town read.
Desp I could see I guess but personally he has been giving me a lamist vibe.

[Chickadee]

very unlikely to be a 3rd party in a mini btw.

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

So what is your read on Desp? This seems really vague.
And why do you think Uzi died?

catching up

[Chickadee]

very unlikely to be a 3rd party in a mini btw.

Um no. I've seen it. Multiple times.

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

So what is your read on Desp? This seems really vague.
And why do you think Uzi died?

LUV was gone most of D1, his death doesn't really give us much information. I suppose that could be why he was chosen.

And I've been over the Desp thing. I have a town lean on him.

and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

so you are saying Gerry is scum?
then why arent you voting for him.
Fos.

He went into this. If Gerry is scum, why don't we just let him die of poison? It's essentially a free kill for town.

cause now I actually have to try lol

this does worry me a bit.]
town gerry doesnt really try/ is borderline troll.


gerry back to null.

Are you familiar with Gerry

(No offense, I like playing with you Gerry)

also LUV was a weird kill and they know each other, she might have been worried about him reading her?

lol thats why i asked her about why Uzi was killed. I was hoping to trap her, ut i guess that wont happen now lol
but yeah, it is possible.

Yea, I'm gonna be that obvious and kill my boyfriend.

VOTE: a50
I actually like the point you made about a50. I was already suspicious of him and I question a bunch of his reads. Plus he acts like he's town leader when he's done nothing to earn it

Nah, A50 is town.
Tell me, what does it take to earn town leader?

[Robbnva]

Start with reads that make sense. His make none

[Almost50]

Pretty sure there is no town poisoner.

Then you have no case against Vax.

Why are you not considering mafia poison doc?

Town having 2 docs is less likely imo.

Town having one and mafia having one makes more sense, especially considering the "good guy" in the show poisoned a "bad guy".

Im pretty sure I explained this already.

And I'[m pretty sure your logic is faulty and here's why:

Town had a doctor who could stop the Mafia kills but could not protect against the SK/Poisoner

Now if Mafia had a Poison Doctor they would be practically immune to the Poisoner kills, so those can only hot TOWN and cannot be prevented on TOWN.

Can you see the problem(s) now?

1- Scum have 2 kills on Town and Town don't even have a Vig to counter.
2- Mafia can kill the Poisoner but not vise versa
3- As per #2 Scum are almost invincible because the Poisoner cannot hurt them AND is actually only helping them kill Town faster. In other words MAFIA becomes VERY MUCH overpowered

When you include a 3P killer it is always to balance the setup, not to help Mafia against Town. You don't give Mafia immunity against the 3P kill and leave Town exposed to it while the 3P is also exposed to the Mafia kill

Said another way: Mafia Poison Doc = Town can only be protected against half the night threats AND it's as good as random, while Mafia are protected against ALL night threats and it's 100% because the Poisoner's kill is DELAYED by default.

[Almost50]

i suppose scum poison doc is possible

No, it's not. Not in a mini.

[gerryoat]

Nah, A50 is town.

why?

[Almost50]

I don't think we'd have a poison doc that's mafia.

Why not? Why would town have 2 doctors and mafia probably having none with multiple killing roles ?

Read my detailed explanation above, then consider the TOWN Poison Doctor (who has a CHOICE of either curing the victim or not). The Town version becomes a weakened Town Vig. They do not pick their own targets but they decide whether the chosen target should die anyway.

This makes Mafia as vulnerable as Town to the 3P Poisoner. The Poisoner is as vulnerable as Town to Mafia kills. Town by definition are clueless anyway so they need to work everything out by working together not against each other.

[Almost50]

I don't see how a 3rd party getting a poisoner role is fair at all to them, because they could be killed by mafia or lynched by town and they only get a delayed kill. which could be stopped by a day doctor at any time

This is why mafia poison doc makes sense. Mafia poison doc could let townies poisoned die. I definitely don't
Think the poisoner is mafia cause no mafia worth anything would target you. Town poisoner or 3rd party probably would though

So, gerry argues the 3p Poisoner would be underpowered (in gerry's own view), and you respond by reasserting MAFIA must then have more power? How does a Mafia Poison Doc solve the 3P's problem here? They'd still could be lynched or NK'd and you're presuming they can't even kill their scum rivals!

[Almost50]

I have scum lean on A50

for his jump off of the Vecna wagon

.

Really! Show me where I actually

voted

Vecna and I'll quit playing Mafia altogether. I only stated intent to vote him when he was L-2, and you jumped right back to ensure it was hammer if I did.

[Robbnva]

And I'[m pretty sure your logic is faulty and here's why:

Town had a doctor who could stop the Mafia kills but could not protect against the SK/Poisoner

Now if Mafia had a Poison Doctor they would be practically immune to the Poisoner kills, so those can only hot TOWN and cannot be prevented on TOWN.

Can you see the problem(s) now?

1- Scum have 2 kills on Town and Town don't even have a Vig to counter.
2- Mafia can kill the Poisoner but not vise versa
3- As per #2 Scum are almost invincible because the Poisoner cannot hurt them AND is actually only helping them kill Town faster. In other words MAFIA becomes VERY MUCH overpowered

When you include a 3P killer it is always to balance the setup, not to help Mafia against Town. You don't give Mafia immunity against the 3P kill and leave Town exposed to it while the 3P is also exposed to the Mafia kill

Said another way: Mafia Poison Doc = Town can only be protected against half the night threats AND it's as good as random, while Mafia are protected against ALL night threats and it's 100% because the Poisoner's kill is DELAYED by default.

no your logic is faulty, I seriously doubt town has 2 doctors. town having 1 and scum having 1 make more sense. Scum being protected from poision actually makes a lot of sense, especially since they are already out numbered.

moving on

1. you don't know if town have a vig or not actually
2. and? that is weak logic
3. scum aren't invincible because we have roles that can investigate them, plus we still have our voice and our vote.

[Robbnva]

i suppose scum poison doc is possible

No, it's not. Not in a mini.

based off what exactly? you do realize there are no rules to follow in a theme game like they do in a normal. Pretty much anything goes.

[Chickadee]

I think everyone scum reading A50 is reaching. Robb, you just don't like that he's being active and trying to get out in front of things. I think he's doing a great job of trying to get activity going. And I don't think his reads are that odd.

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads. And doing so by quoting parts of posts where I list my reads. He did the same thing to A50. I think Moza is showing some of the same "leader" qualities you're not liking in A50. Thoughts?