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[Mulch]

I'm about to get off break. Continue this later.



And I'm still not claiming

[Mulch]

No, I did it as a joke. It was an obvious joke too

[wavemode]

raises hand

er, I also think town!mm4 would have indicated that he was town in twilight after someone vigged. But he kept up the aggression here and showed no uncertainty

But hey, maybe this is all 5D chess coming out from mulch

continues munching popcorn

[MarioManiac4]

Scum stick to narratives, town re evaluate as the game goes on

Except that the last towngame we played together you tunnelled me for most of the time you were there. So uh yeah not quite.
4 minutes is a pretty horrendous timeframe for deciding that you won't votepark someone and will instead go ahead and retreat and "threaten" and "gambit" your way into the vote you should've just gone ahead and done a long, long time ago.

pedit: So you're trying to get towncred from a joke.
Mulch/10

pedit: THATS BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST OBVIOUS FAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME

[MarioManiac4]

am i on recreational drugs and imagining this or is everyone else

[MarioManiac4]

HI IM WAVEMODE AND I'M GOING TO SCUMREAD MM4 FOR NOT BELIEVING AN OBVIOUS FAKECLAIM WHEN THEY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY THE CLAIM WAS OBVIOUSLY FAKE

what the fuck would even be the point of claiming town in twilight when my alignment is about to be confirmed anyway

[MarioManiac4]

I think you two use very surface-level reasons to throw shade at people simply for not acting how you expect.

[wavemode]

Not claim town, but indicate that if mulch is really a Desperado then he's about to die.

It's minor though. I still prefer an SD lynch

[Eddie Cane]

This early as in Day 1 in a closed game.

maybe rb is right

[MarioManiac4]

Not claim town, but indicate that if mulch is really a Desperado then he's about to die.

It's minor though. I still prefer an SD lynch

but mulch was really fucking obviously not a desperado

[frog]

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We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

Thor can go back down to neutral for this comment. Ages until deadline, and already advocating compromise wagons. Plenty to discuss without losing conviction. Surely wagons with no feeling behind them are less useful than wagons which are more informed by reasoning?

UnaBombaH monologues, part 1.

UnaBombaH monologues, part 2.

I like the analysis, though less sure about the conclusions on Sunlit Diamond

Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.
What, I'm supposed to wait for someone else to call it a lie/misrep before I can question it?
That makes no sense - why would that help?

Can you not think of a single situation in which waiting for somebody else to engage with faulty arguments might be useful?

This is empty blather.

That's half your fault, there's plenty going on. Subsequent interaction with Eddie makes both look worse in my opinion. I will admit that I have skipped some of the lengthier posts. Ausuku and Flavor Leaf return and make me wonder which one of these four players is town

And yeah, Unabombh's probably scum with her flip flop.

Like, what?

(Apologies in advance, I have a tendency to wall).

On board with a lot of skitter's content after the catch-up post, both in terms of thought process, comprehension, and conclusions. I am quite happy to have her as a secure townread, at least for now.

*drops out of the sky*

Something about this post pings me. I might return to it later to see why my gut doesn't like it.

uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.

Alright, this is novel. Can I confirm whether your read forming process was something you were intending to alter as an alt, or was it only style you wished to experiment with? I would still like this answered having just read post #580

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

Sunlit Diamond wagon looking a little bit more explicable now, but still no explanation

wavemode why are you voting for sunlit

Also is it cool if I just completely ignore Eddie and Thor because all the anger is giving me a headache

Ciara really does not deserve some of the earlier suspicion

Because [Ciara24 is] scum.

What? Would have been nice to know your reasoning at the time

Holy fuck thor is so scum LMAO

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

Eddie has become ???? cuz I can't figure out what he's doing.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

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[Eddie Cane]

mulch is scumbtw

[MarioManiac4]

it altered my read-forming process but not that significantly
like i still have the same thoughts it's just that i leant towards ignoring part of it

pedit: no shit

[Mulch]

mulch is scumbtw

How much do you want to bet?

[Mulch]

If I was scum you would not be coming close to lynching my ass lol

[Mulch]

Believe me

[MarioManiac4]

you have not yet been lynched as town either from checking your topics
so uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Mulch]

I changed my mind I think your town

[Mulch]

VOTE: thor

[Eddie Cane]

If I was scum you would not be coming close to lynching my ass lol

am I close to lynching your ass? your desperado bullshit and garbage ate already got a couple newbs to unvote you

[Eddie Cane]

I changed my mind I think your town

see you need to explain this thought process because you sure were certain he was scum... and before that he was apparently null... so now he's town?

[Eddie Cane]

mulch ranting about how good you are and we shouldn't lynch you because of that doesn't work with me. i haven't been mislynched as town... in as long as I can remember. that is not a valid reason I shouldn't be wagoned.

[Eddie Cane]

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We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

Thor can go back down to neutral for this comment. Ages until deadline, and already advocating compromise wagons. Plenty to discuss without losing conviction. Surely wagons with no feeling behind them are less useful than wagons which are more informed by reasoning?

UnaBombaH monologues, part 1.

UnaBombaH monologues, part 2.

I like the analysis, though less sure about the conclusions on Sunlit Diamond

Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.
What, I'm supposed to wait for someone else to call it a lie/misrep before I can question it?
That makes no sense - why would that help?

Can you not think of a single situation in which waiting for somebody else to engage with faulty arguments might be useful?

This is empty blather.

That's half your fault, there's plenty going on. Subsequent interaction with Eddie makes both look worse in my opinion. I will admit that I have skipped some of the lengthier posts. Ausuku and Flavor Leaf return and make me wonder which one of these four players is town

And yeah, Unabombh's probably scum with her flip flop.

Like, what?

(Apologies in advance, I have a tendency to wall).

On board with a lot of skitter's content after the catch-up post, both in terms of thought process, comprehension, and conclusions. I am quite happy to have her as a secure townread, at least for now.

*drops out of the sky*

Something about this post pings me. I might return to it later to see why my gut doesn't like it.

uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.

Alright, this is novel. Can I confirm whether your read forming process was something you were intending to alter as an alt, or was it only style you wished to experiment with? I would still like this answered having just read post #580

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

Sunlit Diamond wagon looking a little bit more explicable now, but still no explanation

wavemode why are you voting for sunlit

Also is it cool if I just completely ignore Eddie and Thor because all the anger is giving me a headache

Ciara really does not deserve some of the earlier suspicion

Because [Ciara24 is] scum.

What? Would have been nice to know your reasoning at the time

Holy fuck thor is so scum LMAO

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

Eddie has become ???? cuz I can't figure out what he's doing.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

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hold up. back down to neutral. didn't you town read me for voting thor aka scumreading him? when did he magically become a townread?

[Eddie Cane]

never mind that at the end of that post you implied a strong scumread

[Eddie Cane]

In post 846, Mulch wrote:
@Thor

I want an explanation for this post.

I expressed my reads and felt that the game needed a claim to advance to the next stage of discussion and said as much.
Are you looking for the game theory breakdown of why we should have got a claim already, or are you looking for a breakdown of a given read?

Breakdown of the reads

I liked Eddie for his attempt to reaction fish.
Una's ridiculous push onto Flavor felt brave enough to be blind town, but also looked potentially like a really bad bus, and I stated as much.
Paul I wanted to flip for his non-committal buddying behavior.
Sunlight I wanted to flip for posting a lot of words while saying nothing.
Flavor I wanted to flip for not having any real emotions to the push on him, which felt like deadened scum, and also because it was the largest wagon at the time and deserved continued focus.

You also skipped/missed my question to you;

This triggers me

Why? I thought it was a good post.

lol @ how no one has any good reasons to townread thor beyond his 'emotions'

I find those reasons to be just as weak as the reasons for scumreading me, personally

i feel mulch and rb could both be scum

Both of them have been aggressive in pushing me as scum, and you're still voting me, so...how does that work?

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

and it's someone i scumread anyway

jolly good

You're voting the person I've been trying to lynch most of the game while not changing your stance on me (or really on them as far as I can see)
How does that work?

hey Thor are u voting mulch since he's the largest wagon and scumreads you

When have I ever voted someone for scumreading me?
If that was true I should probably have been voting you or rb for ages now, and I'm town reading both of you instead.
Any other straw men to waste my time with?

I'm also not voting the Mulch wagon at the moment because the speed of it building off the wagon on me makes me feel like it's just scum trying an alternate save for Sunlit.

1) I'm not claiming, so lynch at your own risk
2) sunlight diamond is town
3) thor is scum

Is your theory that I'm a counterwagon to Sunlit and you're a counterwagon to me?
Because the wagon composition doesn't support that stance (your wagon is basically my wagon) so that would potentially make me town and you scum or us both town, but how does it make you town and me scum with Sunlit also being town? What are the scum doing with their votes in your opinion?

Any chance you could provide objective reads of yourself? I played a game with you last year where you were scum and I was town, and I had early suspicions of you. I have early suspicions of you here, too, but I wonder if that is tonal rather than substantial.

I think it's impossible to provide objective reads of one's self. I can offer opinions on my play sure, but...?
And what sort of opinions are you looking for even? This is a very broad and undirected seeming question.

Why? There's no Mulch case. None. It's nonexistent

I think there's no real Ciara case either but I could be wrong, maybe someone could present it to me

I had a Ciara case based off their avoidance of commenting on the Thor/Eddie (or maybe Thor/rb) debate and how they were fake avoiding it.
I haven't seen any other cases offered, but I think my case holds water.

refusing to claim is town because___________________

fill the blank with good reasons if you can

Blank = lack of L-1+hammer intent would make the claim premature and weaken wagon analysis.

hold the fuggle up.

scumreading me?
If that was true I should probably have been voting you or rb for ages now, and I'm town reading both of you instead.
Any other straw men to waste my time with?

I'm also not voting the Mulch wagon at the moment because the speed of it building off the wagon on me makes me feel like it's just scum trying an alternate save for Sunlit.

no. that's not what I'm saying and you know it. mulch is the largest wagon, who by your own theory you should vote, and he also has a scumread on you which isn't meaningless. thid is also in the future but he refused to claim which is very scum telly, so now I expect you to vote him or have a good reason not to. speaking of not voting him, hello. the speed a wagon grows does not change the likelihood of hitting scum or town. you are NOT someome I should have to explain basic things to. that line is 100% bullshit. ALSO ALSO, even assuming after 8 years you haven't learned a basic concept ie speed of wagon being irrelevant, you want to argue that mulch is the counterwagon to sunlit. hey guess what; you also town read myself and rb, and rb and myself are the ones who made mulch a relevant wagon. your logic falls apart again.