Like I don't expect both scum to be someone that I'm immediately scumreading. I think it's somewhat unlikely that I would be wrong on both of my townreads but then again I did initially scumread Scylla and the Comm situation may have skewed my reads. I'm not going to not look into a really bad set of associatives because I think that people involved are town unless I feel like super confident that they're town, which I don't. Not without a Comm flip.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
In post 331, Vic Sage wrote:I didn't prefer to lynch you over the person I thought was scum. I preferred to lynch you over the person who I saw as scummy due to the possibility he was scum with my scum suspect. I always wanted to lynch doggo. I saw CK as someone who could basically only be scum with one person and someone who was more likely to post and add content than 90% of the thread. I maintain that his lynch was terrible.
I think that makes sense. Though right now the amount of content you and RC produced is annoying me. I haven't had enough sleep it's just hard to follow.
I'm going to disappear for the rest of the day. Please somebody yell at me if i appear again. (and now I know hoe really tired I am, almost wrote lynch me, instead of yell at me.)
In post 62, CommKnight wrote:Also @Scylla, pay close attention to my posts. I don't SR TheBrie. I TR her because it's highly unlikely she's scum and I have no real reason to SR her atm.
I was posting half asleep, and meant town, not scum.
Saying you town read someone because it's highly unlikely that they are scum is just bad imo.
It's gamblers fallacy, or whatever you call it.
The point of revealing who the picks were was to give us the possibilities of scum, not to read players from it.
I suggest you change your view on the Brie and stop acting like it's a town slot for that reason alone.
In post 66, Vic Sage wrote:Also, I'd like to point out that CK is basing his strategy entirely around the mechanic instead of scumhunting. Like I said would happen.
I like this post. And it just makes me think that Vic Sage is town more.
There is absolutly no reason for using the picks as a way to read someone.
We know what we can look for between scum conenctions, and the way people react to one another.
Vic - Opinion on Comm here? Do you think it's town just over stepping what the information was for, or scum motivated to appear town?
-Scylla
I thought these three posts all showed town mindset and were aligned with my thought processes in a way that made me think S&C was town. The call out of Comm's meh reasoning for townreads in 60 and 67, plus the reach out to a townread for discussion on Comm in 68 I thought all looked town motivated given my similar townread on Vic and scumread on Comm. Which is reflected in my readslist here:
In post 85, GuiltyLion wrote:town: {S&C, Kingmaker, Vic}
null: {The Brie, vung-slot-that-hasn't-posted-yet}
scummier than null: {CK, DuckDoggo}
After that I basically didn't take a hard look at them anymore, I thought their engagement with Vic in 130 and 135 felt pretty townie as well but I don't feel they've had as much of a D1 presence/push-for-more-information as Vic/King which is why I didn't include them in my 147.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 347, TheBrie wrote:I still TR him, but that's all based off the beginning of the game. Lately he's been rather quiet and I'd like to know if that's normal fro him. Does anyone know?
it's not, I was on a trip this past weekend with some college friends so my activity was down sitewide. I'll be much more present going forward, but this particular game also doesn't have much that's struck me. I feel like the most likely universe is still Comm/Doggo and I feel I'd be artificially scumreading someone else if I tried to push elsewhere at the moment. I don't see anything that Vic/RC are doing as scum-motivated.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
looking at this, I suppose if CommKnight is town and DuckDoggo is town then S&C is pretty likely to be scum, sitting off the wagon. I think in town!Comm universe I'd say a S&C/King team is the most likely, so if we want to lynch outside of DD then let's do S&C.
S&C, why aren't you seeing King as town?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 295, Vic Sage wrote:Look at his vote for doggo. It's basically, CK was scum, so doggo must be scum. But we don't have a CK flip. It's all sorts of gross.
I don't understand what you're trying to get to. Yes we don't have a Comm flip yet, but of course I'll assume he is going to flip scum - that's why I voted him and advocated his lynch in the first place! What would be the point of going after him if I didn't believe he was scum? This is not the same as assuming a living player's alignment and doing partnership analysis from that.
Okay. If CK flips scum we've won the game. So, I can just check out from the thread now and not pay any attention to the game, right?
No?
Oh, that must be because you need to HOPE FOR THE BEST AND EXPECT THE WORST.
PEdit: nah, there's no way you're scum with CK. If that's the team town's already lost and I'm gonna be super annoyed at the lurktastic mess of a game that this was.
Look dude, if you want to mislynch me over the player we both read as scum nearly all game - go ahead. But first answer this, how in holy hell scum!me survives day 2? What would be even my game plan? For me to be scum, both Comm and Doggo would have to flip town since Comm-me team is dumb and Doggo-me is outright impossible. Then I would start day 2 with both my scum reads flipped town, with no other scum reads whatsoever, in a lylo where I have to invent some new scum reads which means I'd have to go back on at least some of my own word because I've townread nearly all of the remaining people one way or another.
Is that really a sound scum strategy to you? Do you give me that much credit? I'm hurt.
I'm not hoping for the best, I'm trying to play optimally. You're basically stalling Doggo lynch because you feel like it is too easy.
What Kingmaker is saying there seems to make sense. Though if he were scum, that could be an attempt to make sure he does survive. Making his position so bad that he obviously isn't scum. But enough of coming up with crazy theories behind everyone's actions.
I don't think we're going to get any further with discussion without knowing anything. Duckdoggo is scummy and the best partner for Comm. So..
RC why did you hammer without hearing from S&C on either of our questions towards them
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
possible teams are:
Kings/S&C
Kings/GL
Kings/RC
S&C/GL
S&C/TheBrie
RC/GL
RC/TheBrie
FMPOV:
Kings/S&C
Kings/RC
S&C/TheBrie
RC/TheBrie
I'm going to take a harder look at Brie's play D1 in a sec, I don't see why I towned her in my head so quickly looking at the remaining teams FMPOV.
I thought Kings' last post yesterday was very townie, anyone disagree?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
