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Civilization Mafia Mafia:
Votecount 2.34:
humaneatingmonkey (2): Dark Horse, Sunlit Diamond
Eddie Cane (2): Tchill13, Robbnva
Tchill13 (2): massive, Assemblerotws
Assemblerotws (1): Ginngie
Robbnva (0):
Grendel (0):
massive (0):
Korts (0):
Sunlit Diamond (0):
Ginngie (0):
nancy (0):
Dark Horse (0):
Not Voting: nancy, humaneatingmonkey, Eddie Cane, Grendel, Korts
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.
The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-08-29 23:00:00).
Remaining posts count to come later.Last edited by RadiantCowbells on Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder andLOUDER-
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We made 2 PR'S claim. So if they're not lynched they will be night killed. I wasn't saying we should have lynched one of them. I was saying assembl should have been lynched for reads and reactions more so than anything. I wasn't going to shoot him because I wasn't giving scum 2 FREE kills if he's town.-
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If you had said "I also shot Vecna last night" based on this post, I might have bought it.In post 681, Tchill13 wrote:
Scum could easily claim jailkeeper to try and accuse me of a false claim after a night phase. I'm not buying the vecna claim. Mainly because of his reaction to my claim.In post 680, Korts wrote:Enough fooling around with other wagons, guys. For anyone who needs a reminder, go reread Vecna from Tchill's claim onward. How is the PR claim believable after all that implosion?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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VOTE: tchillIn post 831, Tchill13 wrote:We made 2 PR'S claim. So if they're not lynched they will be night killed. I wasn't saying we should have lynched one of them. I was saying assembl should have been lynched for reads and reactions more so than anything. I wasn't going to shoot him because I wasn't giving scum 2 FREE kills if he's town.
haven't read the rest of the game. if you're town, not shooting him was an objective misplay. we had a free idler kill thst woyld also confirm you and you didjt shoot. i don't believe you are town.-
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I mean, if anything, the no lynch gave us more room for town deaths. You could have used the kill to try scumhunting yourself, and give the town a flip to work with next day even though we bungled the lynch. assembler was at L-1, and I would have hammered if I was here, as would I imagine most of us who didn't make it, so we would all have welcomed that shot - then you had a monkey suspicion that was shared by others, whose flip would have helped clear the air as well - there were good targets for you to shoot. That you didn't choose any of them is baffling.In post 823, Tchill13 wrote:I did not use my ability and I am not claiming one shot. I wasn't gonna kill a townie on accident on top of the fact that we had already given scum a free kill because of the no lynch.
I mean, I was expecting you to blame Vecna's jailkeeping. It completely throws me off that you just didn't shoot at all. I don't understand how you thought not shooting would benefit the town.scumchat never die-
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In post 835, Korts wrote:
I mean, if anything, the no lynch gave us more room for town deaths. You could have used the kill to try scumhunting yourself, and give the town a flip to work with next day even though we bungled the lynch. assembler was at L-1, and I would have hammered if I was here, as would I imagine most of us who didn't make it, so we would all have welcomed that shot - then you had a monkey suspicion that was shared by others, whose flip would have helped clear the air as well - there were good targets for you to shoot. That you didn't choose any of them is baffling.In post 823, Tchill13 wrote:I did not use my ability and I am not claiming one shot. I wasn't gonna kill a townie on accident on top of the fact that we had already given scum a free kill because of the no lynch.
I mean, I was expecting you to blame Vecna's jailkeeping. It completely throws me off that you just didn't shoot at all. I don't understand how you thought not shooting would benefit the town.
This post reads more like it's giving town!TChill a bitchslapping for bad play, than it does as an argument for scum!TChill.
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See korts here’s the thing. I know the vecna’s initial reactions to tchill’s claim were wack, I was scumreading him for them too. However, once he claimed Jailkeeper, I paused for a second. I then looked back at his actions from the viewpoint of a jailkeeper, and things started making sense. Like imagine if you were a jailkeeper and the claimed vig/VI had you as your top scumread. And of course he’s going to avoid full claiming as much as possible because as soon as he claim’s he’s dead. Even though I can’t speak for everyone else in the thread about these specifics, I got the vibe that most people had at least gone “wait a sec..” after vecna claimed, and became hesitant to lynch him.In post 809, Korts wrote:
I don't understand this argument. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Vecna claimed after a bunch of scummy shit, where he exploded all over the thread, threatened Tchill post-claim multiple times, desperately tried to lead the town away from his wagon, and constantly misrepresented any argument against him.In post 786, Dark Horse wrote:I really don't like the huge double standard korts had between monkey and vecna's claims.Thenhe claimed, which to me looked like another clear diversion attempt after all the others had failed. It was a bogus claim, even if it turned out to be true.
monkey didn't explode like that, and although his claim was early, it was nearing deadline and his counterwagon was gaining steam. Admittedly, at that point I was on limited access and just trying to get a Vecna lynch to happen, so I wasn't reading thoroughly - but I don't remember any blatant scumminess from monkey before the claim.
I have a bunch of things to do in the following days, so the reread isn't coming before the weekend. Maybe I just missed something.
You did the opposite. It seemed like instead of causing you to back down, you just started gunning for his lynch even harder, which is mad scummy. Even now, you’re trying to dismiss being wrong by saying it was a “bogus claim.”
In addition, Go back and read where monkey claimed, it’s a mess of multiposts and conflicting actions before claiming that he’s simply a pr. It’s a weak claim, and importantly has a lot of similarities with vecna’s initial claim. Regardless of what you thought of monkey before that, I feel like claiming in a very similar manner to your top scum read is something that should at least drawsomeattention from you. Rather, you try to blame other people for “forcing monkey to claim,” (despite the fact that monkey claimed largely of his own volition) and try to tell people to ignore monkey and keep focusing on vecna. It doesn’t feel like an attempt at game solving at all.
Same exact situation was hyperbole, but both of you claimed early, close to the deadline, mostly of your own will, and initially claimed “Town PR.” They’re very similar claims.In post 815, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I think the statement "same exact situation" tells me you haven't been reading. Make that move right now.
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In post 810, Robbnva wrote:
Tell me why it's a horrible vote and who we should be lynching instead.In post 802, Dark Horse wrote:Robb you should probably start reading because that's a horrible vote
You only get one shot. Make it count.Spoiler: Why monkey is scum
Spoiler: Why I think eddie isn't the best push-
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Tchill wagon is wack. If he was scum I see no reason for him to not use the excuse that vecna jailed him. Hell it was brought up in the thread right before he posted so I doubt he forgot about it. The only reason I can think of for going with "I deliberately didn't kill" is because that's legitimately what he did, which is more dumb than anything scummy.-
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How was I attacking your character?In post 663, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Grendel's reasons for scumreading me is bad. It's an attack to character more than anything. Like if you're gonna attack me for my character, he would have at least sat down to see my past games to confirm that. His reasons for scumreading me is NAI.
I think its abosultely rediculas how you had the gumption to dismiss all my points as an attack on your character. Yes, I made an assumption that your were lurking to further your win-con, and yes I think you were too apologetic. Its no different then what yourself did regarding the "Calculated AtE" arguments. You were making an assumption of another player's motivation for their actions. The fact that the problems where external to the game didn't stop you from questioning their legitimacy. But when other people question the legitimacy of your posts and what you are doing behind the screens that is an attack on your character?
I don't think so.
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I think that Moneky himself realizes that it was a crap reason to scum read me because he has barely mentioned me coming into today.
I could get if Monkey is the kind of player that doesn't belief in abstract thought, or taking outside circumstances into account. But his play is contrary to that. Saying things like "This target is town because wagoned scum would get deadline extension" is not what a strict hardliner would say.
Monkey claiming an ambiguous role doesn’t work if it isn’t confirmable. Vwnca made sense to me because his belief that he was confirmable through his night action. Odds are that Monkey saw the above point I had on Vecna’s claim and thought he could pull it off as well. Plus his claim was less than 24 hours to lynch--- which is sketch.In post 637, Grendel wrote:
By previously mentioned song and dance I mean Venca stating that he is a power role but not imeadatley full claiming. It looks surface level scummy. Buts actually not something scum are going to typically to do when fake claiming.In post 555, Vecna wrote:Anyways, im also a town PR, with a skill that can be confirmed tonight. Good job ringing up another one with shit all reasoning.
Not gonna claim any more to not make it too easy on scum, you'll know more tomorrow.
In case you do end up lynching me - Kort & massive are scum here together. Lynch them next
Mianly because, "Hey guys I'm a power role but I'm not going to full claim until tomorrow " Is an extremely unpopular method of approaching a claim, and therefore something scum would try to avoid. However town would do this if they had alter motives. In this instance Vecna planning the clear himself by jailing Tchill. While I think its not a great plan I do think that Vecna displaying that kind of strategic planning is moderately town like.-
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I think that your hustle yesterday to get a lynch through resonates as moderately town. Which is good since you've been had to follow this game. Or should I say getting a read on?
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With all the skim reading I notice he is being mentioned all but like... I don't care about him?
So that actually means he's likely scum for that reason.Shoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
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Monkey didn't claim early? The day was almost over, and there was zero set up reading between the lines.In post 809, Korts wrote:
I don't understand this argument. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Vecna claimed after a bunch of scummy shit, where he exploded all over the thread, threatened Tchill post-claim multiple times, desperately tried to lead the town away from his wagon, and constantly misrepresented any argument against him.In post 786, Dark Horse wrote:I really don't like the huge double standard korts had between monkey and vecna's claims.Thenhe claimed, which to me looked like another clear diversion attempt after all the others had failed. It was a bogus claim, even if it turned out to be true.
monkey didn't explode like that, and although his claim was early, it was nearing deadline and his counterwagon was gaining steam. Admittedly, at that point I was on limited access and just trying to get a Vecna lynch to happen, so I wasn't reading thoroughly - but I don't remember any blatant scumminess from monkey before the claim.
I have a bunch of things to do in the following days, so the reread isn't coming before the weekend. Maybe I just missed something.
A silly question, but humor me please.What was the last game you played through to completion here?
He meaning Monkey?Ginngie wrote:With all the skim reading I notice he is being mentioned all but like... I don't care about him?
So that actually means he's likely scum for that reason.
Can you take a sec to format your posts more? >.>-
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