Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[VA-11 Hall-A]

its fake bud

[Cephrir]

that's not helpful

[Cephrir]

i am not getting from point a to point b please explain it to me like i'm five

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I mean we believe hes scum track or other PR of the sort



Do not believe that he is a killing role





I mean the claim is nifty yeah it looks cool



As for the logic Dunn was saying, Chiao targeting to "shoot" Realeo over Bins is sus af if he didnt buy her claim


I dunno where we confused you at






join us in a bit for final jeopardy

[VA-11 Hall-A]

The "logic gap" is his supposed actions vs his claimed stances they dont make sense

[Cephrir]

The "logic gap" is his supposed actions vs his claimed stances they dont make sense

you're still not explaining like i'm five.

[Cephrir]

As for the logic Dunn was saying, Chiao targeting to "shoot" Realeo over Bins is sus af if he didnt buy her claim

i mean

he's allowed to have two suspects, is he not?

[GuiltyLion]

I claim VT

[GuiltyLion]

So to wrap my head around this

- Bins claim 1 shot reflexive cop, and that Ceph visited her N1
- Realeo claims protective watcher who visited Bins
- Chiao claims murderous tracker who tracked Realeo to Bins
- no one is claiming the dreal kill as of yet

the only solid conclusion I have here is that either Realeo and Chiao are scum together or Chiao did in fact track Realeo, regardless of Chiao's alignment. It's unlikely that scum!Chiao lied about a result on town!Realeo's target and just happened to guess it correctly.

some possibilities:
- 2 person scumteam and a SK
- scum!Bins could have a reflexive power and faked a clear on Ceph
- scum!Realeo could have roleblocked town!Bins, though I don't know if he would have opened the way he did in such a world. This is the only explanation I can think of for why a scum!Realeo would visit Bins. I'm pretty inclined to townread Realeo because of the Chiao result, because it's hard for me to think of other scum visiting roles that would make sense to visit Bins while killing elsewhere.

unfortunately I don't think the massclaim is getting us much

[GuiltyLion]

here are my reads at the moment (pending some serious rereading though), in descending order of confidence of towniness

Cephrir
Realeo
Bins
---------------
Chiao
implosion
VaHa

I'm extremely scared to lynch above the line. I think VaHa is my most surefire bet for scum. What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is with the implosion/VaHa push onto Chiao - is Chiao the game winning mislynch or is there some kind of bus happening on that slot from one or both of imp/VaHa?

Chiao why did you hammer the lynch yesterday without giving any kind of read on the situation or how the day played out? Your absence yesterday is frustrating

[GuiltyLion]

Nosferatu (7 - LYNCH):

when warthogs fly

,

morph the cat

, Chiaotzu, Oil Tycoons,

kraska77

, GuiltyLion,

Alisae

FMPOV this pretty much guarantees at least one scum in Chiao/Realeo

[Cephrir]

I'm a non consecutive joat

Protected bins n1 killed dreal n3 still have a track

[Realeo]

Wait. Why would town have 2 roles that is capable of tracking and murdering? That is redundant role. That violates the rule of setup design unless it's an open game.

I think 1 of {Cephrir, Chiao} is scum..

..if only I can deduce who is scum. Hmmmm. This is tough.

[Realeo]

What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is with the implosion/VaHa push onto Chiao - is Chiao the game winning mislynch or is there some kind of bus happening on that slot from one or both of imp/VaHa?

This.

[Cephrir]

Wait. Why would town have 2 roles that is capable of tracking and murdering? That is redundant role. That violates the rule of setup design unless it's an open game.

I think 1 of {Cephrir, Chiao} is scum..

..if only I can deduce who is scum. Hmmmm. This is tough.

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[Realeo]

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[VA-11 Hall-A]

I'm a non consecutive joat

Protected bins n1 killed dreal n3 still have a track

What do you think of Chiatzu's claim of murderous tracker?

I want to point out just how many power role claims we have taking into account dead players:

VA-11 Hall-A, Vanilla Townie
GuiltyLion, Vanilla Townie
Implosion, Vanilla Townie
Alisae, Vanilla Townie
Psyche, Vanilla Townie

Nosferatu, Post-Restricted Vanilla Townie


Wisdom, Enabled Bulletproof 1-shot Roleblocker
drealmerz7, Conditional Compulsive Commuter
morph the cat, Conditional Doctor
Chiatzu, Murderous Tracker
Realeo, Delayed Watcher
Bins, 1-shot Reflexive Cop
Cephrir, Joat (doc/tracker/vig)

That's a lot of power roles, it actually looks insane balance wise (Though it's my personal belief that pr's are playing awful)

Realeo, you're an unlimited shot watcher and you didn't see any visits in a game with more power roles than vanilla townies? Who did you even visit besides bins?

I'd believe this pr lineup with Chiatzu being scum, kind of. Still seems like a lot of roles, especially with a full watcher, even delayed. It's pretty crazy that people are brushing past us having

4

players with investigative abilities in 7 person lylo

[VA-11 Hall-A]

- 2 person scumteam and a SK

This is a really dumb suggestion coming from Guiltylion - I understand it's pretty much proven false with Cephrir claiming the kill now but it was still dumb for its time

[VA-11 Hall-A]

here are my reads at the moment (pending some serious rereading though), in descending order of confidence of towniness

Cephrir
Realeo
Bins
---------------
Chiao
implosion
VaHa

I'm extremely scared to lynch above the line. I think VaHa is my most surefire bet for scum. What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is with the implosion/VaHa push onto Chiao - is Chiao the game winning mislynch or is there some kind of bus happening on that slot from one or both of imp/VaHa?

Chiao why did you hammer the lynch yesterday without giving any kind of read on the situation or how the day played out? Your absence yesterday is frustrating

Nosferatu (7 - LYNCH):

when warthogs fly

,

morph the cat

, Chiaotzu, Oil Tycoons,

kraska77

, GuiltyLion,

Alisae

FMPOV this pretty much guarantees at least one scum in Chiao/Realeo

This doesn't make any sense. We're your most surefire bet for scum yet you think there's scum for sure in Chiao/Realeo, there's a crazy amount of power roles claimed, and you have Realeo right under the cop check

Guiltylion is feeling like scum to me, him and Chiatzu

[VA-11 Hall-A]

As for the logic Dunn was saying, Chiao targeting to "shoot" Realeo over Bins is sus af if he didnt buy her claim

i mean

he's allowed to have two suspects, is he not?

His suspects suck. So bins and realeo are scum leaving us with.. a murderous tracker and a joat with a vig and tracker. That doesn't sound right.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

The "logic gap" is his supposed actions vs his claimed stances they dont make sense

you're still not explaining like i'm five.

Chiatzu bad man
Accuse good man
Target pr man

[Chiaotzu]

wtf cephs role does not make sense with mine at all.

[Chiaotzu]

I do think Bins is a PR but a scum one. I was hoping Realeo was a goon so I would kill him.

You think they are both scum?

I did. But Realeo targeting Bins doesn't make sense to me if they're both scum. I'm inclined to think Realeo is town now. That leaves Bins/implosion/Valhalla?

I'm confused.

[Chiaotzu]

The "logic gap" is his supposed actions vs his claimed stances they dont make sense

I already explained why I tracked Realeo instead of Bins. I wanted to kill him. What's so hard to understand?

[Chiaotzu]

here are my reads at the moment (pending some serious rereading though), in descending order of confidence of towniness

Cephrir
Realeo
Bins
---------------
Chiao
implosion
VaHa

I'm extremely scared to lynch above the line. I think VaHa is my most surefire bet for scum. What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is with the implosion/VaHa push onto Chiao - is Chiao the game winning mislynch or is there some kind of bus happening on that slot from one or both of imp/VaHa?

Chiao why did you hammer the lynch yesterday without giving any kind of read on the situation or how the day played out? Your absence yesterday is frustrating

There was a day left and the only other wagon at the time was me. I didn't want a flashwagon to build on me, which was a possibility due to my inactivity. There wasn't really anything else possible in my mind so I just ended the day.

I was hoping to clear myself by killing scum Realeo, which obviously didn't happen. Now I'm just really confused.