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If anything, that's more of a reason to scum read him, because it isn't necessarily insensible for a towny to want to discredit that, but why would TownGhostlin want to?“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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The answer is simple. To save his own skin and discredit someone who is a threat to his survival through another player.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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I guess you are correct that it could be said about any post, but I hadn't been directly involved with anything with Panther up until that point.In post 1108, Mulch wrote:
But didn't you just sayIn post 1105, Morality wrote:After seeing the post, it was like an..."Oh, hmm, I didn't know he had that kind of personality. That changes things. I'd expect that coming from him now."the post itselfinfluenced your personality?
So, let's dumb this down for me.
You see a post. You say, hey, based on Panther's personality, it makes sense for him to do that post, so I'm going to townread him based on it.
But the way you gleaned information about his personality...was the same post?
So coulden't this just be said about any post?
"In post 67, I gained information about someone's personality, and therefore the post matched his personality"
Well duh, because the entire basis for the personality was that post“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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It get's complicated with that.In post 1123, Morality wrote:If you question the reasoning behind everything you do, you can make a scum case on town as scum, but a lot of times there's a simple answer to countering that. Why couldn't that be done as town?
When people push on NAI things, that's where you have to get inside their mindset and not neccecarily focus on results. It is reasonable for them to expect that this is scummy, even if they are misguided? It's also where you can apply meta, if some god at town is pushing a NAI thing as a scum point, you can safely say that this is going contraictory to what their mindset should be. And this is also where you can apply the volume read (part B)- if people are making a pattern of just pushing obvious things that aren't AI, and never show depth to their thoughts or genuity, there's a good chance they're scum.Amrock#3784-
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To push you as being scum for it? Don't be obtuse.In post 1125, Morality wrote:If anything, that's more of a reason to scum read him, because it isn't necessarily insensible for a towny to want to discredit that, but why would TownGhostlin want to?Amrock#3784-
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Someone just said this to me. I'm more acute than obtuse.In post 1129, Mulch wrote:
To push you as being scum for it? Don't be obtuse.In post 1125, Morality wrote:If anything, that's more of a reason to scum read him, because it isn't necessarily insensible for a towny to want to discredit that, but why would TownGhostlin want to?“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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I guess that's also not really getting at what I'm trying to get at.In post 1127, Morality wrote:
I guess you are correct that it could be said about any post, but I hadn't been directly involved with anything with Panther up until that point.In post 1108, Mulch wrote:
But didn't you just sayIn post 1105, Morality wrote:After seeing the post, it was like an..."Oh, hmm, I didn't know he had that kind of personality. That changes things. I'd expect that coming from him now."the post itselfinfluenced your personality?
So, let's dumb this down for me.
You see a post. You say, hey, based on Panther's personality, it makes sense for him to do that post, so I'm going to townread him based on it.
But the way you gleaned information about his personality...was the same post?
So coulden't this just be said about any post?
"In post 67, I gained information about someone's personality, and therefore the post matched his personality"
Well duh, because the entire basis for the personality was that post
Ok, it could be made for any post, but more importantly:
how did you make aconclusion that ended in a townread...comparing a post to his personality...when you needed the post to FIND the personality. What part of your process did you think"hey, this is towny". You read a post, see it. You glean something about his personality. Then, you realize that that post is part of his personality, which is literally of course it is because he just made it. So where do you see a match up if there is nothing to match up?Amrock#3784-
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Like I said, it's a survival move on Ghost's part to go through Tic Tac. He can expect one of two things to happen from his posting.
1) I make a case on Tic Tac, and then people can push there.
2) I don't make a case on Tic Tac, and I become discredited, thus not having to worry about one more person on his tail.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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I'm not articulating myself well.
When doing a comparison for a post to see if it matches to a personality, you need to see the post, and then take what you know about the personality and say yeah, this makes sense, it matches his mindset, he's town.
You didn't KNOW about his personality when you first read the post, so how did you match it up to a town lean?Amrock#3784-
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Oh, that's simple. I just kind of threw Panther in there in the beginning because I was playing my Light character, and had a sense he could have been scum. I needed to find a way to dive into this game as well. I wanted to go along assuming that the stated team was the entire scum team (that's a thing in Death Note, even if it's a small percentage). For me, that was enough to prove me wrong there, or at least have reasonable doubt against it.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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I've been responding to posts prior to you posting again. I should really quote, because it's causing confusion.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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Or, he can expect you toIn post 1132, Morality wrote:Like I said, it's a survival move on Ghost's part to go through Tic Tac. He can expect one of two things to happen from his posting.
1) I make a case on Tic Tac, and then people can push there.
2) I don't make a case on Tic Tac, and I become discredited, thus not having to worry about one more person on his tail.
3) Give reasoning, so he can determine if it's scummy .
Sure, he could be scum wanting to discredit you, or push you if he knows your town, but he could also be town that's trying to push you for something he saw scummyAmrock#3784-
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I see him as scum, so there is number 3 for me.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the town read personality comparison, I don't care that you scumread him early gameIn post 1134, Morality wrote:Oh, that's simple. I just kind of threw Panther in there in the beginning because I was playing my Light character, and had a sense he could have been scum. I needed to find a way to dive into this game as well. I wanted to go along assuming that the stated team was the entire scum team (that's a thing in Death Note, even if it's a small percentage). For me, that was enough to prove me wrong there, or at least have reasonable doubt against it.Amrock#3784-
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But from your perspective, there should have been a number 4, and that would be that I would be scum.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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Mine or Ghostlin?In post 1139, Morality wrote:But from your perspective, there should have been a number 4, and that would be that I would be scum.Amrock#3784-
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I don't feel that it's going to be able to go much further than that, really. I just didn't think he was scum after that post. No real reason. It's as simple as that.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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Alright. :/In post 1141, Morality wrote:I don't feel that it's going to be able to go much further than that, really. I just didn't think he was scum after that post. No real reason. It's as simple as that.
I really don't like that post but nothing else is really scummy from you especially considering your boon so I'm not gonna push youAmrock#3784-
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both. I agree, I wasn't incredibly clear. More Ghost.In post 1140, Mulch wrote:
Mine or Ghostlin?In post 1139, Morality wrote:But from your perspective, there should have been a number 4, and that would be that I would be scum.
Ghost isn't scum hunting. He's discrediting in place of scum hunting, and is using that in a way to morph into a scum read.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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That's a fair point, I guess. Because he didn't even take a stance or vote you based on it so the only purpose was to shade you.In post 1143, Morality wrote:Ghost isn't scum hunting. He's discrediting in place of scum hunting, and is using that in a way to morph into a scum read.Amrock#3784-
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I felt you would have picked up on me being potentially Boon this game anyways.In post 1142, Mulch wrote:
Alright. :/In post 1141, Morality wrote:I don't feel that it's going to be able to go much further than that, really. I just didn't think he was scum after that post. No real reason. It's as simple as that.
I really don't like that post but nothing else is really scummy from you especially considering your boon so I'm not gonna push you
Anyone who knows of Pisskop being one of my favorite players on site probably would have picked up on the way I was talking about him. Don't know if anyone here was aware of that.
I'm going to get naked and wet now, so I'll be back in like 20.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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Oh, and if it matters, considering the fact the last time I threw a gut read on Tic Tac, I was correct. I was able to explain it a little more last time, but I will be able to eventually.“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.
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Ghostlin (4) - Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality
Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH
Not Voting (4) - havingfitz, PantherPunt, tictac, Tchill13
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline for Day Two is October 5th, 6:20 PM in (expired on 2017-10-05 18:20:00)
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Chainsaw defense, I believe is the term Morality is reaching for here.
Thing is, I don't give two fucks about Tictac.
The problem that I have is that Morality apparently has two scum suspects from his actions. We aren't pushing any other directions; when he hopped off me onto a gut read. Which generally means he wants people to vote for Tictac or push him in some way.
Problem is, he immediately negates his vote with a lack of a concrete reason. Shit, had he said, quite literally what he said a page or two before about his gut being good as a Tictac scum detector, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS PRECISE DISCUSSION. If he provided meta now of this feat, that would besomething.
It just seems disingenuous that;
1) You have a scum possiblity pool of two
2) One of them is a gut read leaving you with one concrete read.
So either you're going through the motions and are scum, or;
Otherwise you're pissing your most valuable tool away, your vote, and for the LOVE OF GOD, TOWN PLAYERS STOP DOING THIS."You live for the fight when it's all that you've got."--Bon Jovi, Living on a Prayer
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