Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

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Mary is probably town ya

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we aren't lynching Mary today :/

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We're massclaiming today anyways, I believe, so Mary Saotome, start.

yup, Mary popcorn it after you claim

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MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

you didn't kill dunker or bp would've activated. you killed whoever he protected

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MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

you didn't kill dunker or bp would've activated. you killed whoever he protected

i'm like 99% sure bp would activate on bodyguard death; i've been in a game with this role before.

I thought it would to, it normally does.

VOTE: mod - if dunker with an in tact bp vest targeted me, and mafia shot me, would dunker die? obviously this assumes no strongman or anything of the like

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MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

you didn't kill dunker or bp would've activated. you killed whoever he protected

i'm like 99% sure bp would activate on bodyguard death; i've been in a game with this role before.

I thought it would to, it normally does.

VOTE: mod - if dunker with an in tact bp vest targeted me, and mafia shot me, would dunker die? obviously this assumes no strongman or anything of the like

those are the right tags. ya. nailed it.

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I'm just go8nf to leave my vote wherever the vc decided

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which kills make sense to discuss for you?

so far, pretty much none of them. which is why i haven't been discussing them.

okay well make a list of what its okay and not okay for us to that.

he didn't say we can't discuss it

but it's fine he's getting vigged tonight if he's annoying you save your breath

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if i wanted to avoid lynching flairs I could've easily done it, same with game.

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alt slip, sorry. i'm just going to stop logging into eddie.

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if i wanted to avoid lynching flairs I could've easily done it, same with game.

Why would you avoid lynching Flairs? I kind of feel like you were, but you were going for that bus cred.

someone said this was his town meta, and i was doubting based on that. then i did my own super quick meta dive and called that out as bs, thats why i revoted him and told dunker to hammer.

nobody answered me - who said flairs was town on meta? whoever it was is probably scum

I said that. And then I believe I'm the one who started the Flairs wagon. (I know vca shows me third, but I was on Flairs, then went to two, then back to Flairs.)

Okay. I don't think you're scum here (it would require both a scum kidamn and a town wave with a wrong soft inno AND even then it requires kidamn to have faked an inno on his partner when down). That was bad meta, but you know that having voted him. I was the second to vote flairs, I switched off later and then back on. Same with game though, his lynch was certainly not inevitable, that wasn't a deadline lynch. If you're trying to force yourself to scumread me subconsciously, that's pure paranoia.

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Nero Cain

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Flairs

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Dunkerdoodles

, gerryoat
UnaBombaH (2): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz
TwoInAMillion (2):

Game Replacement

, Boonskiies
Titus (2): KidAmn,

Assemblerotws

Mary Saotome (1):

Theta Alpine

davesaz (1):

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Not Voting (2):

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, Titus

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osuka (10 - LYNCH): MarioManiac4, Titus, TwoInAMillion,

Dunkerdoodles

, Eddie Cane,

Nero Cain

, Mary Saotome, gerryoat, Boonskiies, KidAmn
Nero Cain (1): wavemode
Titus (1):

osuka

Not Voting (8): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz,

Assemblerotws

, Mary Saotome, massive,

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Nero Cain (8): Eddie Cane, wavemode, Boonskiies,

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Eddie Cane (1):

Nero Cain

Dunkerdoodles (1): MarioManiac4
Flairs (1): Mary Saotome

Not Voting (5): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, massive, KidAmn

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

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Flairs (8): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat,

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Dunkerdoodles

Yumeko Jabami (2): KidAmn, davesaz
Dunkerdoodles (2): MarioManiac4, Titus
Titus (1):

Nero Cain

Eddie Cane (1):

Flairs

Mary Saotome (1): massive
massive (1): wavemode

Not Voting (0):

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Spoiler: vote counts with my strong reads shown - this is what i believe to be more useful

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Dunkerdoodles

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UnaBombaH (2): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz
TwoInAMillion (2):

Game Replacement

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Titus (2):

KidAmn

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Mary Saotome (1):

Theta Alpine

davesaz (1):

osuka

Not Voting (2):

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, Titus

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Nero Cain (1):

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Not Voting (8): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz,

Assemblerotws

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Eddie Cane (1):

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Dunkerdoodles (1): MarioManiac4
Flairs (1): Mary Saotome

Not Voting (5): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, massive,

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Yumeko Jabami (2):

KidAmn

, davesaz
Dunkerdoodles (2): MarioManiac4, Titus
Titus (1):

Nero Cain

Eddie Cane (1):

Flairs

Mary Saotome (1): massive
massive (1):

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Nero lynch gets counted for VCA, since it was, after all, a successful lynch aside from the mod error.

What's important to note is the Nero lynch did actually happen, despite the mod error, which is awesome for VCA. I don't normally do VCA because I don't like it or value it, but fuck it, this is a large and I'm bored. I'm using the second spoiler ftr, the first is only for reference.

The most important thing I notice is Titus is on both town lynches and neither scum lynches, while actively distracting from the Flairs wagon, hard pushing the Nero wagon, and in a slot that has been pushed as scum many times this game. Mulch's replace out does not carry this far, Titus has lost her townread and needs to reearn it but tbh FoS Titus. Massive looks bad too, voting Game immediately after another scum, and then voting Mary day 3. Tbf, Massive wasn't on either mislynch, but eh. Flairs lynch being all town makes sense when you see the 4 living people not on the wagon asides Wave are Dave, Mario, Titus, and Massive, aka most of the scum pool. Mario or Titus being scum makes sense too, unless you want to assume the Osuka lynch was all town (or yumeko/gerry is scum).

Yea, doing this is reminding me how little I care for VCA, I'm happy with these reads.

{skirt skirt, tiam, boon}
{kidamn, wave}
-- probably never voting above this line --
{gerry}
-- would not lynch the above today --
{yumeko}
{mary}
-- would ideally not lynch above today, but would be ok with it --
{titus, dave}
{mm4, massive}

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Okay, actually, you know what.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

This is scum.

i don't think so. those interactions with una don't look traitor-scum to me, and mary lock townreading them reassures me yumeko is town unless mary flips red.

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I'm not scum reading you. I just stated that you aren't as obv town as some people are stating. I still think you belong in the town section.

i think im obv town but w.e doesn't matter atm

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I actually think Titus is a strong vig kill candidate if Yumeko flips town. Titus is one of the 5 off the GR wagon that I was looking into. 3 I was looking into, not 5.

I am good with a Titus vig, would probably prefer MM4 still but doesn't make a big diff to me.

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I'm pseudo voting dave, I think the massive wagon is bigger so I'm still here physically atm.

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mass claim is going to be so slow if we popcorn properly with players this idle, boon, are you ok with all 6 of yumeko/mary/titus/dave/mm4/massive claiming as they come? i think it saves time, and hey, gives the fun dynamic of reading into claiming times and how they go about it

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now, this game has had weird nks that nobody's really commented on (thanks mario ) and i love nka, so let's go

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I actually think dunker might have bodyguarded me. Scum could have been trying to strongman kill me, but then they shot through Dunker. Strongman would still kill bodyguard.

mod - if player Charles is a bulletproof bodyguard, player Andy is a strongman, and player Mitch is a vt, with no outside influence, if Charles and Andy both target Mitch what happens?

This is resolved differently by different mods.

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mass claim is going to be so slow if we popcorn properly with players this idle, boon, are you ok with all 6 of yumeko/mary/titus/dave/mm4/massive claiming as they come? i think it saves time, and hey, gives the fun dynamic of reading into claiming times and how they go about it

Yeah, I actually don't like popcorn mass claiming all the time in general, and this game doesn't need it.

So yeah, the 6 of them can claim when they come in, we don't have a specific order, just want the claims. I think you should claim too, but whatever.

yumeko/mary/titus/dave/mm4/massive

- claim when you see this. full claim, including any actions you took and why you targeted said people. no bullshit wifom of changing your claim at the end of mass claim or i'm death tunnelling you jsyk.

i'm vanilla town

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I expressed a townread on theta, did you?? I don't remember a single other player doing so

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Creature was the only kill that really made sense, and Dunker if Dunker was bging someone. I doubt it was you though, didn't he scumread you? More likely Wave I thinks?

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Creature kill makes me suspect MM4 a bit more. Other than that, doesn't do anything for me, he was obv town as shit, never getting lynched, and was a major part in GR's lynch.

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hm. Theta seemingly fosd mm4 too, how cute. other than that, his iso is extremely bare of reads, I'm going to go ahead and call it a bad kill for virtually any scum team - theta was not a threat. it is probably a low info kill because scum were happy with the gamestate after lynching osuka, boring stuff. i love when scum do suboptimal things for wifom, makes life easier as town

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I expressed a townread on theta, did you?? I don't remember a single other player doing so

Yes. I stated Theta was a Boon Babe. Theta, Dunker, Flairs were my untouchables. I turned around on Flairs.

Day 1 I stated Theta was town hard.

I guess scum knew you and me townreading theta was all it took for him to not be lynched. I still don't believe he was an optimal kill in any world, but no complaints about bad scum. It makes me believe scum either didn't put much time into thinking of a kill (are the idlers - fits with flairs), and/or are inexperienced (fits with flairs, not as much mm4 but mm4 was basically fosd by theta so who the fuck knows)

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hm. Theta seemingly fosd mm4 too, how cute. other than that, his iso is extremely bare of reads, I'm going to go ahead and call it a bad kill for virtually any scum team - theta was not a threat. it is probably a low info kill because scum were happy with the gamestate after lynching osuka, boring stuff. i love when scum do suboptimal things for wifom, makes life easier as town

That's essentially what I just stated. -.- I don't necessarily know if it was suboptimal as we could have all easily torn each other apart.

yea i was just thinking about it, its close to echoing you. if they wanted us to tear apart, they should've killed a more relevant threat at least but that line of arguing is aw aste of time.

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i'm happy with the game as it is now. i think town is in control (more active people) and thats how we hit gr and flairs.

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I mean, keep in mind from our last mini, people stated Sunlit was a suboptimal kill, and even though it was a scum loss, the kill did exactly what it was supposed to do. Just went too hard in that game, haha.

I still think that was a bad kill tho so :s

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I mean, I'm sure one of the active players are likely scum. Hasn't been a single scum to flip that was active during this game.

I actually disagree with titus being mafia right now. Mulch was so hard on GR. Like...classic town Mulch tunnel hard.

Hence why I want mm4 vigged. Titus is not the lock town I thought she was tho.

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the claimed gunsmith

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I mean, I'm sure one of the active players are likely scum. Hasn't been a single scum to flip that was active during this game.

I actually disagree with titus being mafia right now. Mulch was so hard on GR. Like...classic town Mulch tunnel hard.

Hence why I want mm4 vigged. Titus is not the lock town I thought she was tho.

I think i'm solid lock towning Titus actually. Mulch on GR is very suboptimal play, and not even good for a distancing way.

yea, but i have other issues with that slot. i hard townread mulch part of it.

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the claimed gunsmith

Ah, good. Makes me Town read them more.

Una/GR were both on a Excession Day 1.

and mulch was hard tunnelling them

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i mean, town muclh tunnels town pretty often, but eh

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i mean i always trusted him but

i'm okay lynching mario as long as two is. he said he'd vig him if we lynched massive, and i'm fine with that too.

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though tbqh, lynching massive is preferable to me cause mario's gonna throw a much bigger hissy fit and i'm lazy

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Who is scum?

I'm sort of feeling FlavorLeaf for now.

There are so many players here that I have already seen/played with, that are always ? to me.
You and Mulch represent the S-tier of that.

Then there are so many guys who I don't know at all, such as

Ignition, dave, Flairs....

And since these guys have only posted once or twice, I can't get a read yet.
[/b]They are all scum until I get a stronger read that says otherwise, and even then...you know how paranoid I am![/b]

Flavor is the only one so far of whom I can say that he has been "uncharacteristic" for his usual townplay.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Ignition is Game Replacement slot. There's actually no reason not to lynch Dave right now.

VOTE: Daveas

ahahaha if this is him giving away the whole scum team as a crumb.... hahahaha

VOTE: davesaz

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though tbqh, lynching massive is preferable to me cause mario's gonna throw a much bigger hissy fit and i'm lazy

I just think massive is probably town. Vig can shoot him, though, but nothing he's done points towards ScumMassive for me.

i've never seen scum massive, this seems like normal super low act and presence town massive to me. though, his voting patterns are very eh.

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have you ever seen scum massive / is there a massive (:lol:) difference in his play?

i'm a ok voting dave, jw.

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I'm just a traitor, lynch my buddies first.

You're always the brave knight!

is this him calling his partner brave for being the one to talk to the traitor? would vedith do that?

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that's a good find if its real btw boon. props

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or there's a strongman...?

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mod - if player Charles is a bulletproof bodyguard, player Andy is a strongman, and player Mitch is a vt, with no outside influence, if Charles and Andy both target Mitch what happens?

This is resolved differently by different mods.

I would hope different mods don't resolve this differently.
Straight from the wiki: "A Bodyguard would essentially be stopped from protecting against a kill and would not die."
In this context, Mitch would die and Charles would remain alive. And I appreciate specific examples like this.

Different sites, though this is the correct resolution imho :p

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Dunker probably just straight up got strongman killed

yea, which is weird. the only alternative is a third kill also deciding to kill you the same night mafia did which is exceedingly unlikely, and /if/ there's a third kill we will find out tomorrow probably. or they can holster. i'm cool with that too.

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so mafia probably have a strongman and dunker being bp was not an issue for them. lets iso dunker!

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MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

every single mafia kill is suspecting mario. that's actually hilarious

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yeya i think this is a wrap. we need the rest of the game to get online tho along with the rest of the claims

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lmao i bet una is cringing at himself in the dead thread

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a team of wave/kid/boon and tiam the sk

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claim wave. :/

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nah, we decided to scrap that cause time

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nah, we decided to scrap that cause time

If we're scrapping it then I'm not claiming... why should I?

sigh, have you not read the last couple pages? we are mass claiming, just not popcorning, because it is unnecessary, and you explciitly are who i'm interested in because you clearly have investigative results

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{skirt skirt, tiam}
{kidamn, wave}
-- probably never voting above this line --
{gerry}
-- would not lynch the above today --
{yumeko}
{mary}
-- would ideally not lynch above today, but would be ok with it --
{titus}
{massive}

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its time to mass claim. 8:1 almost certainly.

i am vt. gerry is vt. kidamn is gunsmith (claim results for today). wave is (claiming now). Massive is vt. Mary is ???. Yumeko is ???. Titus is ???. Tiam is vigilante.

Did I miss any claimed roles?

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just claim when you see this, we aren't popcorning. unnecessary waste of time.

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ftr, i entirely want to vig and lynch titus and massive. is this ok with you tiam? does anyone else have an issue with this? massclaim can finish first and things may change btu this is where im at

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i mean, before being cleared, i think it was stupid. after being ic from gunsmith, yea, he can do what he wants to get reads. boon is a good player, but we have very different ideals.

i want to point out, there's very likely 1 scum left. does that still leave you suspicious of yumeko and mary? because both know each other irl and locktown each other, so that would require one to have hard pocketed the other.

wave i just think is town. its time for him to claim though.

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i mean, we are up 8:1. a mislynch, misvig, and a kill makes it 5:1, so even IF we mislynch and misvig, we have ANOTHER day where we can mislynch AND STILL MISVIG before lylo. basically, we get to flip 4 players before its 3p lylo. scum have REALLY fucked up by not killing you so far, you're doubling towns kills and i don't think scum is experienced enough to realize that. before a hypothetical scum!titus subbing in, the entire scum team is pretty much inexperienced/idle. basically, the point of this post is that i'm honestly not worried about the lynch today because getting two town flips in massive and titus still removes a lot of dead easy mislynchable weight. knowing mm4 and nero are town makes titus look really shitty too.

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tbf, the scum night kills are very likely going to be some combo of you and me and kidamn over the next 2 days, since i don't think a single player scumreads me (scum, i dare you to reverse that ) and you're literally conf town except in a very remote world that isn't relevant to me because you've been shooting pro town every single day, and kidamn keeps getting an inno every day. kidamn's result will help, he's going to clear poe further today, and mass claim etc.

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scum can't block him, if they had a roleblocker we'd have known a long time ago.

titus, why are you arguing 2 remaining scum? do you think it was 6?

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   Eddie Cane
   
   
2. Game Replacement**
   IgnitionUSMC
   
   
3. UnaBombaH
   Cloudkicker
   
   
4. Theta Alpine*
   
5. Boonskiies
   Flavor Leaf
   
   
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9. Creature
   
10. massive*
    
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    Excession
    
    
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18. Gerryoat
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   8. TwoInAMillion
   10. massive
   13. KidAmn
   15. wavemode
   16. Yumeko Jabami
   17. Mary Soatome
   18. Gerryoat
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2. Game Replacement,

Mafia Encryptor

, was lynched Day 1
3. UnaBombaH,

Mafia Doctor Traitor

, was killed Night 1
9. Creature,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 1
12. osuka,

Vanilla Townie

, was lynched Day 2
4. Theta Alpine,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 2
14. Assemblerotws,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 2
21. Flairs,

Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

, was lynched Day 3
6. Nero Cain,

Town Ascetic

, was killed Night 3
7. Dunkerdoodles,

Town 1-shot BP Bodyguard

, was killed Night 3
11. davesaz,

Mafia Goon

, was lynched Day 4
19. MarioManiac4,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 4
5. Boonskiies,

Town Bulletproof Enabler

, was killed Night 4

here's the thing. i scumread kidamn on play mostly earlier, i really do get that. however, town flips are a bp and a fucking bp enabler. town power's wayy too low atm, and no inspection. gunsmith + some weak thing that wave has makes a ton of sense to me. am i wrong here titus? plus, kidamn is gonna give us an inno or a guilty today, and a 6th scum is very very unlikely from where i'm standing.

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scum can't block him, if they had a roleblocker we'd have known a long time ago.

titus, why are you arguing 2 remaining scum? do you think it was 6?

And scum never shoot the gs either? Don't you find that suspect?

It's a large. Game needs balance. Yes I do believe two.

if two scum, that's all the more reason that town needs stronger roles like a gunsmith. i don't get most of what scum have done this game, strongmanning dunker / killing theta are just so supoptimal. they haven't shot tiam, for a long time, and that's basically cost them the game due to how many more flips are in towns controls. killing boon makes sense since he was never getting lynched and is a strong player, and with me never getting lynched / boon never getting lynched from gs inno especially / gunsmith / vig alive scum are in really really bad shape.

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i mean, we are up 8:1. a mislynch, misvig, and a kill makes it 5:1, so even IF we mislynch and misvig, we have ANOTHER day where we can mislynch AND STILL MISVIG before lylo. basically, we get to flip 4 players before its 3p lylo. scum have REALLY fucked up by not killing you so far, you're doubling towns kills and i don't think scum is experienced enough to realize that. before a hypothetical scum!titus subbing in, the entire scum team is pretty much inexperienced/idle. basically, the point of this post is that i'm honestly not worried about the lynch today because getting two town flips in massive and titus still removes a lot of dead easy mislynchable weight. knowing mm4 and nero are town makes titus look really shitty too.

How do you believe only one scum left?

21 player game. 17 player larges (most common size for normal large) are usually 13:4. games in this range are usually 4 scum. 4 and a traitor is fine, 6 scum : 15 town...? doubtful. that's a huge ass scum team. the last 20p large normal had 16:4, i highly doubt there's 6 group scum, it isn't balanced.

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You really think kid would fakeclaim gunsmith? If he says somone is scum that is town and is proven wrong then he gets auto lynched and scum is down one more.

and if he claims any unrealistic results like he gsd mm4 for example he obviously loses his not lynch pool status. though, from today on, i think we are going to ask kid to confirm his target before night (it acn still be his choice within reason), and it should be someone in the scum pool who you also won't vig so if scum want to kill said target that's perfectly fine.

to be clear, kidamn, after you give your result i'm asking you to target one of {mary, yumeko} tonight, with titus and massive being the vig and lynch respectively, are you ok with that? scum don't have a roleblocker at this point, we would've known long ago with kid/tiam being outed town prs.

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most recent similarliy sized games that aren't multiball. you seriously think this is 15:6? less town, more mafia? its just not reasonable to me, mafia power is meh here w/o roleblocker but then so is town. just because mafia hasn't shot out claimed prs doesn't mean the game isn't balanced.

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I'm not necessarily okay with titus. We need to consider other options. Quick shooting/lynching until we get scum is not an optimal strategy, even when we are ahead.

when did i say we quick lynch? the only one to have voted today is you. we are going to talk today, and even if i think it almost inevitably (excluding mass claim revealing something or kid having a guilty or some extreme shit) ends in a titus/massive vig/lynch, titus is an experienced player, i am going to talk to her and get her thoughts on the game state just for if she flips town because i value her opinion.

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today what needs to happen is mass claim,

yumeko and mary and massive talking more

, some titus vca

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I'm saying it could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 2 scum left with the number of lurkers.

statistics make that very unlikely. though, two group scum doesn't change how i play this, regardless.

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town is weak this game, the reason it feels like there's probably two scum is because we've flipped 4 mafia for 8 town which is very very good

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its time to mass claim. 8:1 almost certainly.

i am vt. gerry is vt. kidamn is gunsmith (claim results for today). wave is (claiming now). Massive is vt. Mary is ???. Yumeko is ???. Titus is ???. Tiam is vigilante.

Did I miss any claimed roles?

skirt skirt: vt
gerry: vt
massive: vt
mary: vt
titus: vt
kidamn: gs
wave: ??? weak investigative pr
yumeko: ???

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if scum role copped dunker n1/n2, that explains the strongman, heh

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are you 10000% certain yumeko is town, 100%, or just like 80% strong townread?
all big distinctions

same q reverse to yumeko

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let's let wave claim first before we talk about that please

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do you agree myself / kidamn / tiam are lock town?

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i wa s on 3 ~_~

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claim yumeko

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btw if titus is scum mulch successfully pocketed me as scum this game. mulch, consider this a compliment, i fake getting pocketed to stay alive and for various other reasons but i rarely get genuinely pocketed by scum. grats.

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like, i'm scum leaning your slot now, but not from your play.

though, admittedly that replace out is gross as fuck if you're scum, but one thing at a time.

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a weak protective was EXACTLY what i was picturing for setup spec, so i am happy with that claim to the degree im not gonna scumread you over it.

i assume that means you have your action tonight right

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i think this game is broken by roles at this point if there's one scum left, which i think is 90% the case. if i'm wrong, that's when it'll be fun .

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lynch massive
vig titus
jail wave
gunsmith mary

pending change due to kidamn's results, does this sound fair?

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the only thing i'm waffling on is smithing yumeko or mary, maybe swap that

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awesome. Thank you for checking Titus. more in the morning, obviously this changes things. yes, I'm counting thst as an inno

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and, hopefully, wave has claimed when I wake up

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check yumeko, not you. other than that it's fine

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How about lynch massive
vig wave
jail skirt
check me
I think this works out best because it covers everyone here besides our pr's' this game should basically be over after that yes?

I think if wave is a pr I should jail them instead. If they would be vigged anyway, jailkeeping them instead lets them verify my action if they are town

I don't think you need to be checked, I'm certain you are town Mary. I won't need to be checked either if Wave is a pr and I jailkeep him

If Titus doesn't have a gun I'd think massive was scum, looking back the times he voted mafia were after it seemed those players would have been the lynch

your action doesn't need to be verified. i believe you are at least a rb/jk of an alignment

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please no one else vote massive yet. he's the lynch, but I'm not done

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more to reply to when I have more time, but why am I being proposed as a vig?_?

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more in prolly 3 hours. i am ok being jkd, not ok being vigged.

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If it's not lynch Yumeko, I do not approve.

The rest, do whatever.

lynching yumeko is dumb when we can vig him and still get the jailkeep to use.

gerry, if scum shoots a vig and vig shoots someone vig still goes through, and if we only have one flip we know yumeko blocked tiam and he gets powerlynched.


we lynch massive
we vig yumeko
yumeko jails me
kidamn gunsmiths mary


any objections?

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you aren't fucking up and shooting me now tiam. you've use your role well so far, don't fuck it up.

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i believe wave's claim wholeheatedly

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No one else finds Yomeko and Mary's interactions fishy? Especially since Yomeko seems to be stumbling on my questions?

one gets vigged, one gets gsmithed.

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there is NOT 6 SCUM WITH THIS TOWN POWER.

if there ends up being 6 scum, quote this and rub it in in the future if i'm ever acting cocky.

there is 0 fucking chance there's 6 scum. all previous precedent has 4, traitor makes 4.5 and with 4 scum in a 17p game that makes sense, town power is very low as it is, mafia have the prs they need to find town power (rolecop) and to deal with it (strongman) along other things. there are very few town prs and very little power as a whole, so no, this isn't 6:15, that is stupid.

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you aren't vigging me, there is no fucking way i'm allowing that. why are you not an option for vigging?

but, vigging yumeko makes sense. on play, he's the most likely to be scum after massive. jk is pretty fucking useless when we have a strongman confirmed left, he's odd night so he can't even act tomorrow either.

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we get his jk tonight for whatever its worth, which isn't much. that's the only reason we lynch massive over him.

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i am okay being gunsmithed or jk'd if you want to waste an action on an obvtonw player who's been running the game, but you sure as fuck are not vigging me.

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lets ask a loaded question ringht back at you though. tiam, would you rather vig gerry or mary? since apparently gerry wasn't an option, now i'm not an option. you. are. not. gamethrowing. and. vigging. me.

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i do not scumread you, no. i townread kidamn/titus/tiam more than you for obvious reasons. i do not think you flip scum, but no, i would not say it is impossible, and i absolutely am not ok with being vigged today under any circumstance.

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to be clear: i think gunsmithing or jking mei s a waste of time, but i'm fine with either. i am not going to agree to get vigged and think its horrible tho.

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Maybe massive is the last scum.

massive is getting lynched so who cares atp. if massive is scum, we've won. this is about planning worst case scenarios atm.

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mafia encyptor
mafia doctor traitor
mafia 2-shot rolecop
mafia goon
unflipped: mafia (x-shot probably, joat is also a possiblity) strongman


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town ascetic
town 1-shot bp bg
town bulletproof enabler
town vigilante
town gunsmith
town backup gunsmith

1. skirt skirt - vt
10. massive - vt
16. Yumeko Jabami - non-consec jk
17. Mary Soatome - vt
18. Gerryoat - vt



this is all roles i consider i believe enough to be confirmed enough to not be touched tonight. that leaves a pool of massive/yumeko/myself/mary/gerry as the "action" pool. i think i am sufficiently obv town, but eh, i'll keep myself there. any and all actions go on these 5 people.

titus, here's what i want you to see. this is not a rigged setup. it isn't follow the gunsmith, scum have a proven strongman along with a rolecop along with the protection only working once or working non consec if you buy yumeko... lol. we are not dealing with 6 scum, frankly, scum are pretty powerful role wise and we are dealing with a 16:5 setup as opposed to 13:4 or 10:3, notice the 3 player increase for one scum? sometimes games change if town is particularly powerful or whatever, but here, town roles aren't even that strong. gunsmith, our one inspect, can also fuck up and get a fake guilty on our vig. vig is to deal with the ascetic, among other things. there's synergy here. without gunsmith, you're arguing there's no town inspect whatever, i think backup gunsmith is perfectly reasonable here though admittedly wave is the least confirmed role out of the ones i've checked off. this, setup wise, leaves 1 scum, surely you see that.



we are lynching massive, that is not up for debate.
i WANT yumeko vigged, frankly yumeko can jail whichever of us 3 (mary/gerry/myself) he prefers as long as he says it beforehand, same with kidamn checking. yumeko needs to get vigged here. jk is the most useless role when its nonconsec AND mafia have a likely strongman, and he's the scummiest player after massive. plus, its the lynch titus wants, and we are lynching massive.

this game is pretty much over. let's not fuck up in the home stretch.

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skirts reaction here feels very weird why are you so against getting vigged? I'm pretty sure we have auto win regardless of how this works so it doesn't seem like a big deal to me gerry just being a VT makes there a chance of him being scum I don't sr him per say but I tr him less then Yumeko and Skirt by a long shot

i like to live long as town, i am capable of obv towning, i shitpost early instead because i despise getting killed early. i'm not tryna be rc and get n1d half my town games, that's just not fun. as town, the game gets more fun the longer it goes on (moreso than scum). i think we still win if im vigged, but i'm honestly pretty insulted that was even considered. not a single player is pushing me as scum, it is a completely bad shot.

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i think my vig preference is yumeko > gerry > you (> me), mainly because if yumeko is town and massive is town i need titus with reset reads because she's the only player left i think i can work

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plus, titus is ic pretty much, and i think it would be dumb to ignore her wish to remove the yumeko slot.

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if wave is scum we will know that, his role resolves.

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if you convince titus to let yumeko not get vigged, i will sign off on it. if titus insists then i insist.

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do you not think wave's interactions around kidamn are very townie knowing his role?

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wave basically held kidamn back from getting pressured more, along with boon, by soft innoing him. that whole thing just felt town tome, especially with his play around role the following day, and now knowing he was backup gs.

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hey, titus wants yumeko dead and i want titus to be able to be productive and not tunnelled. you satisfy both of us

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eventually scum will learn to kill me early. for now, its good people think i'm worse than i am.

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Tomorrow I'll do the critical thinking needed to have a perfect plan. But can someone tell me if we vig yukemo will the roleblock for that night still go through?

yes, it will.

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@titus - hence why we lynch massive and not yumeko

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gerry, regardless of the rest, you have to know that the mafia killing you as opposed to kidamn or tiam is GOOD for town, right?

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I'm more town than anyone in this game. Osuka and Nero were bad towns. But I was right on everyone else.

poll: who is townier? me or gerry?

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btw im being serious i want every player to answer that

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yes, we did. their vest is hit, thats the point of a bpv bg.

so, yes, we know for a fact dunker was strongmanned (excluding an unclaimed 3rd kill.........lol), and NOT whoever he targeted because then the strongman would leave him alone anyways

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its probably a limited strong arm. 2x, or something like joat with one shotb eing a strongman one.

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but, regardless, it is publicly confirmed mafia had at least 1 shot strongman that was used on dunker.

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because the scum team are dumbasses?

my theory is they rolecopped dunker, saw bp ,took the shot. them not killing boon was bad play imo, btu there was suspicion there and there was a potential bg on him. boon did denounce bp enabler claim and claim bp didn't he?

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this doesn't really help game solve though.

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if they rolecopped a joat all they'd receive is "JOAT" from most mods, so that would be a waste.

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does this help you solve the game or is this just a for fun talk

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hm? what does that last line mean?

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we lynch masive.

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you can gunsmith mary, ok?

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gunsmith me/mary/gerry, but commit to who now please

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so jail me, vig yume, gs Mary

VOTE: massive

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so jail me, vig yume, gs Mary

VOTE: massive

why on earth was wave killed over yume? sigh

what's your result kidamn. this shouldn't really make a difference

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Mary is either a guilty or the scum is in yumeko and gerry. interesting.

ftr, I wanted to be jailed lowkey. fuck the nk.

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I'm legitimately pissed cause I had a plan to deal with a two scum hyokthetuxal but that doesn't work with wave dead. god damnit tiam.

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my cat fucked my thumb. sorry.

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Mary is either a guilty or the scum is in yumeko and gerry. interesting.

ftr, I wanted to be jailed lowkey. fuck the nk.

How do you know you weren't jailed?

oh, i probably was. yumeko can confirm.

that meant i actually WANTED to be jailed, because it explicitly meant i couldn't be nkd and tiam couldn't gamethrow vig me. and, considering he ignored a good plan and vigged my lock town, i don't think that was an unwise plan.

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you getting me vigged is not auto win

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did i say to vig wave???

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then that means 2 maf or 1 maf joat with a redirector shot but i think bus driver is blacklisted from normals.

that's a weird thing to assume. isn't it far more logical that tiam is a dumbass?

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i'm just gonna continue assuming mary is ic because if kidamn claims a guilty the game's over regardless and no discussion is needed, since we have enough day space to lynch both in that hypothetical 1v1.

mary, kid, titus are all ics. so the scum is in yumeko and gerry. if someone had fucking vigged yumeko, that would've made a hard situation so much easier. we have time to lynch both, but this means 2 scum likely = town loss. luckily that's very unlikely.

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If we are methodical we should be okay. Scum are likely in massive-yumeko-titus

hm

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mod - could a hypothetical JoaT have a Redirector (bus-driver) shot available for use in a normal game?

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also why the hell did you guys rush the end of day when ppl were outing different things to do.

that's not a rush. i didn't hammer, granted, i thought nobody was voting, but honestly i am perfectly happy it ended. no further discussion was going anywhere, and actually, did a single person EVER suggest vigging wave?

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there isn't two mafs. for two mafs at this point they'd have to be you/yume anyway, because kidamn cleared the other two and a scum kidamn means town had virtually no investigation in a 21p game which is obscenely unlikely.

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i'm just seething in anger at the kill tbqh because its either scum gerry or scum yumeko and i did not want to effort

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its either scum gerry

if you think i'm scum this game you need to go back to newbie games

please don't do your ate'y bullshit here, i don't have the energy for that

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and if you think i'm scum here you're the one who has to go to newbies.

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5120 is actually scummy, is it scum gerry? why did you think it was productive to omgus me for that line? i have professed a town lean on you for a long time, i explicitly did not think you were scum this game. 5118 is literally a poe post, because the other 4 players are conf town. fuck the fuck off.

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a bus driver is not the same as a deflector right?

i don't know what a deflector is

bus driver targets person a and person b, and all actions person a performs are then done to person b regardless of who person a targeted.

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acually im not sure of deflector. cause why not just kill kidamn? why kill the back up?

because its a vig kill from a dumbass.

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skirt i dont have time for your BS rn please. i'm trying to think of an auto win scenario since you guys messed it up already.

my bs? excuse me? i'm not the one turning the game into ate. there is no "auto-win" here from a neutral perspective, there's two lynches left and three non-confirmed players with kidamn dying tonight. there is nothing questionable here.

if you're town yumeko is conf scum.

there's no realistic scum role that does what you're saying. in a theme game, itd be a different story, but nexus controllable or not is blacklisted too afaik and i haven ever seen it if its not.

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as in, normal game roles are limited. technically, theres one non-normal role allowed, but afaik redirection of any game is blacklisted.

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tiam vigged wave willingly for no fucking reason.

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if its a guilty, yea. if its an inno, how?

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okay, i'll listen optimistically.

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gn

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gerrys panic and blabbering feel like last minute scum panic given we have basic auto win here.

well, i agree.

we are still going to listen to him though. no harm.

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if i was scum i wouldnt have given us autowin. (if you guys didnt screw it up like idiots)

How do we not have auto win compared to if we did it your way?

his way involved the towniest non-cleared person getting vigged.

shade aside, the only thing that screwed up an actual autowin was wave getting vigged over yumeko. if he had vigged yumeko the poe pool would've been myself and gerry and you could've lynched both of us for the W, giving an autowin. same reverse vigging gerry instead of yume.

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Yumeko isn't scum >_>

i will be sheeping you/kid/titus today, and i agree gerry gets lynched first. if you're right, this is game. i am mildly surprised gerry's probs scum though, i really need to adjust meta stuff if so. paranoia tells me to read into that, but i'm not going to because i think it makes sense.

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i'll bbl, hopefully kid and yume post by then

i'm going to sleep anyways. based on timezones they'll probably be here tonight.

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out of me and gerry who's scum yumeko?

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i mean, only 1 nk would basically scumfirm you anyways, so i don't put much stock in that. but, yes, i think it's gerry. i am able to meta read people i'm extremely familiar with (irl friends / home site people / people i've played a shit ton with like transcend) without error, and i do value mary conftowning you.

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It's either Yumeko or Kid at this point probably.

i will listen to you on yumeko. i can guarantee you 100% kid is town though titus. please divert your focus onto myself and gerry instead of that.

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5 -> 4 -> 2 -> game

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w8 nvm

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nobody vote nolynch yet. i need to post.

~prodge til tomorrow on phone with gf and going to sleep~

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posting later when I have time. it seems every game I'm just as annoyed at how stupid people can be, maybe I should take a break when my games are done.

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sorry I'll try and post today real busy rn

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if GS dies after NL the people with no gun are clear. if RB dies, then skirt is clear. and we have an extra report

no lynching is a stupid waste of time.

literal only thing that happens: kidamn dies and we lose one conf town voice to help game solve.

if gs dies nothing changes. they're already clear. titus/kidamn/mary are all conf town and you're an idiot if you think otherwise. mafia have a proven at least one shot strongman alive, so no, rb dying doesn't clear eddie anyways, not that rb is ever dying.

its an utter waste of time and we absolutely are not no lynching here. there's enough stupidity in town, we aren't killing off kidamn for no reason too.

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Not impossible there's a godfather. Also not impossible Yumeko is lying.
UNVOTE: Don't do anything hasty.

godfather is blacklisted and cannot exist in a normal game. your results are hard clear.

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VOTE: skirt skirt

I changed my mind after a nap and reskim of votes with new flips.

why do you insist on being an idiot?

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kidamn is a conf town. despite titus' constant paranoid babbling, there is not a 21 person game without an inspection role. there is not 2 scum alive either, town power is low. titus and mary are also conf town, there is no way they could be scum. titus, the fact you think i'm scum here legitimately depresses me and makes me regret trying to have yumeko vigged for you.

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Idk why me proving you wrong is making you upset, but bye bye.

This isn't helping. You're being pretty rude here to Mary after she indicates that you are annoying her.

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You haven't explained how it is auto win. Do you have a role? Are you a tracker/joat? From my perspective I suspect Titus is a town member who will always vote for me or Kidamn no matter what - that on top of wave dying and mary being the gunsmith target makes this game considerably more difficult if you are town. If you are mafia you realize that Titus is prone to lynch me over you if you kill Kidamn

WAIT HOLY SHIT. can maf kill and do an ability at the same time?

You need to explain why this is significant. I'm seeing a lot of holes in this plan now and I'm wondering who you plan to lynch tomorrow. If you're relying on my jailkeep, you're planning to lynch skirt after nolynching? Why is that superior to lynching skirt today for you and nolynching the next day? What is it that stops mafia from just not killing if they kill the gunsmith?

its only an auto win from a town!gerry pov assuming town!gerry is treated as a conf town, but town gerry is a huge assumption he wants us to make.

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Game Replacement (11 - LYNCH): Creature, wavemode, TwoInAMillion, Nero Cain, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane, Flairs, massive, Dunkerdoodles, gerryoat

UnaBombaH (2): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz
TwoInAMillion (2): Game Replacement, Boonskiies
WhyMafia (2): KidAmn, Assemblerotws
Mary Saotome (1): Theta Alpine
davesaz (1): osuka

Not Voting (2): UnaBombaH, WhyMafia

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

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osuka (10 - LYNCH): MarioManiac4, WhyMafia, TwoInAMillion, Dunkerdoodles, Eddie Cane, Nero Cain, Mary Saotome, gerryoat, Boonskiies, KidAmn

Nero Cain (1): wavemode
WhyMafia (1): osuka

Not Voting (8): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, Assemblerotws, Mary Saotome, massive, Theta Alpine, Flairs, KidAmn

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Flairs (7): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, Nero Cain, Eddie Cane

Yumeko Jabami (2): KidAmn, davesaz
Dunkerdoodles (2): MarioManiac4, Titus
Titus (1): Nero Cain
Eddie Cane (1): Flairs
Mary Saotome (1): massive
massive (1): wavemode

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davesaz (7 - LYNCH): Boonskiies, skirt skirt, gerryoat, wavemode, Yumeko Jabami, KidAmn, massive

MarioManiac4 (2): Mary Saotome, davesaz
Yumeko Jabami (1): Titus
massive (1): TwoInAMillion

Not Voting (1): MarioManiac4

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massive (5 - LYNCH): Yumeko Jabami, wavemode, KidAmn, skirt skirt, Mary Saotome

Yumeko Jabami (1): Titus

Not Voting (3): gerryoat, massive, TwoInAMillion

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On maf lynches: Gerry - 3; Mary: 2
On town lynches: Gerry - 1; Mary: 2

u were saying, Mary?

you hammered a lynch a said was as cum claim not to vote after we all shouted at it,

Specifically gerry, who seems to be pushing on it the hardest.

how am i pushing it the hardest lol

Alright, if someone will check gerry I'd be willing to get off the gerry vote

ok someone can check me. even thought i'm a

Mafia Ascetic Paranoid Gun Owner

your only two mentions of flairs in your entire iso mr contributed t o scum lynch, you actually didn't mention dave a SINGLE TIME in your iso, and both town lynches were general consensus that the entire game agreed on. no, you haven't been some pinnacle of townie here, actually looking into your involvement in the scum lynches makes you look a whole lot worse.

[skirt skirt]

eh, i guess game replacement is an ok lynch but can we get VOTE: two million if you guys wont vote nero? please iso him and give me 1 town post. just 1

ftr, only reference to game replacement in the entire game as well.

[skirt skirt]

also wait skirt, why the sudden push on me, it's kinda weird. since you said I was your TR for a long time.

let's see. maybe the only people alive are my trs?

[skirt skirt]

also about two million, he wasn't vigging me ever, i was his TR. I had no reason to kill him over say a GS yesterday, it literally made no sense for me to do as mafia. like this is basic logic. He was willing to shoot yumeko/wave(apparerently)/skirt. thus giving them the most incentive to kill the vig

i told him to vig yumeko, he's an idiot.

[skirt skirt]

eh, i guess game replacement is an ok lynch but can we get VOTE: two million if you guys wont vote nero? please iso him and give me 1 town post. just 1

ftr, only reference to game replacement in the entire game as well.

maybe because i subbed in like 3/4ths into day 1? and he got lynched day 1? lol.

doesn't change anything? and you subbed in before me so i don't see your point? and you ignored the other lynches?

[skirt skirt]

also wait skirt, why the sudden push on me, it's kinda weird. since you said I was your TR for a long time.

am i not allowed to be wrong? i've also already acknowledged this, about only trs being alive. i think scum is in you and yumeko and i think you're acting worse today, and mary lock town reads yumeko. therefore, i want to lynch you.

[skirt skirt]

who cares, i got them lynched by hammering or trying to get others to hammer.

i did this before you and more than aggressively than you on virtually every scum lynch. you yourself got out of getting lynched by fakeclaiming. idc if you do that, it doesn't change the fact.

[skirt skirt]

I literally gave us autowin, which is confirmed btw with wave flipping town. if you guys woulda just listened to my plan.

there was still an autowin if he had vigged yumeko, because all of me/you/yumeko would have died. stop griping about your idiotic autowin bullshit, you didn't fucking suggest anything cool or some magic gamebreaking strat. honestly

[skirt skirt]

you stfu gerry i'm not letting your defeatist scum bullshit go

[skirt skirt]

and if you're town check your fucking ego you dont have some master gamesolving plan you had a plan that was solved by any logical outcome yesterday and now you have a plan that gives scum a free kill on our gunsmith like honestly fuck off

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eh, i guess game replacement is an ok lynch but can we get VOTE: two million if you guys wont vote nero? please iso him and give me 1 town post. just 1

ftr, only reference to game replacement in the entire game as well.

maybe because i subbed in like 3/4ths into day 1? and he got lynched day 1? lol.

doesn't change anything? and you subbed in before me so i don't see your point? and you ignored the other lynches?

You subbed for someone?

eddie cane

but i didn't sub in, no, i was just afk for irl for the first half of the day. when i came back u had already been posting plenty, remember how i entered sring u? i wish i had more time rn but nah

[skirt skirt]

Actually, what the hell.

VOTE: gerryoat

My gameplan for this day is set: I want to see a gerryoat flip, and then move forward from there with a stronger read on his wagon.
If he flips scum, I can have so many of the townreads! (and hopefully much deserved -creds)

Actually, what the hell.

VOTE: gerryoat

My gameplan for this day is set: I want to see a gerryoat flip, and then move forward from there with a stronger read on his wagon.
If he flips scum, I can have so many of the townreads! (and hopefully much deserved -creds)

Actually, what the hell.

VOTE: gerryoat

My gameplan for this day is set: I want to see a gerryoat flip, and then move forward from there with a stronger read on his wagon.
If he flips scum, I can have so many of the townreads! (and hopefully much deserved -creds)

makes me obvious town btw

obviously does not

but if you're town you need to get your tiny head out of your ass and tell me why yumekos scum rather than "waaaah my garbage perfect plan failed also im obv town idiots"

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he's. not. my. scumread.

i'm very close to giving up talking to you. you seem to lack 5th grader reading comprehension.

i don't scumread you or him. it ownread the whole game. but, titus/kidamn/mary are lock town ics. therefore, you're the only two left via poe. despite you and titus being complete fucking idiots atm, it stays true that they're town. so please, stop talking to me if you can't read shit. i've said everything i'm saying here at least 3 times i think.

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then that post makes no sense wtf lol. I didn't even post a lot during day 1. i just remember tunneling osuka and faking a guilty on him. and then got SR for it

i literally entered d1 seeing u be the most recent poster and playing with u so..... bs

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i'm honestly amazed every day on this site by the bad reads that people come up with.

posture when you're town, not as scum

VOTE: gerry

boon Nero gerry are the only ppl I'm voting today

I'm not team reading. you don't team read til lylo or a scum flip

i'm honestly amazed every day on this site by the bad reads that people come up with.

posture when you're town, not as scum

i love it when people i dont even play with THINK they can meta me

that wasn't meta
that was me telling you to posture when you're town not when you're scum because it means less with your whiny "caught for wrong reasons" ate
we have also played at least 10 games together if you want to go the I don't play with you route
and this isn't a meta read

etc

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you were the first person to make an impression on me, I call that acrive. i didn't read the first half of d1

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why are you guys all fosing me all of a sudden I'm the reason town was up as much as it was

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yes lol^

boon was letting me lead the game, I'm the one and seemingly only person who understands game spec, I'm the person who kept our vig from getting mislynched, I'm the person who kept Titus from gamethrowing and lynching our gunsmith, and I'm the one who shouted (note: you did NOTHING) for game and dave, latter with boon. you've literally fake claims to avoid getting lynched, shitposter, and naked voted the scum lynches. after the Nero vig I've been in control of the game. notice how I've had wave and tiam, two people that were constantly attempted to be mislynched, as lock town for the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME? I'm sick of idiots not knowing how to play. trying to lynch our vig and vigging the fucking obv town pr. unbelievable. i was the attempted lynch over flairs, once Nero failed. do you not remember how hard I've caught against every tiam and wave wagon? you don't get to call that ilpocketing because I haven't done it in a pockety way, pocketing someone isn't constantly insulting them while defending them. the fact any of you can possibly think I'm scum here (Titus and kidamn you're particularly who I'm talking to) is fucking disgusting. and NO gerry, I led town to auccess. if yumkeo was vigged like i said thid game was OVER. you want to talk about your dumbass perfect plan? if scum killed yumeko we had am extra kill via vig so totus could've died. either way, all 3 of me + gerry + yumeko would've died and only ics would be living. aka, auto win. tiam being a fucking idiot as he is made that harder, I thought we were still fine cause I'm obvious as shit town bit apparently I completely misjudged how capable people were. scumreading me here is insulting as fuck and you should be ashamed if you are. seriously. fuck you. toxicity ate bs aside, I've said what I need to.

VOTE: gerrt

no lynching here is a waste of time because we know who scum is going to kill. lynch gerry or yumeko or me. if anyone votes for anyone outside us 3 for the rest of the game you need to quit mafia. Titus, you've played how many games now? you're who I'm most disappointed in. come on. your spent he entire game tunnelling town except possibly yumeko. there's not 2 scum and the gunsmith isn't scum. me sigh

reading this game but prodging until deadline unless there's something worth replying to. if you're gonna vote me, do it. i don't expect better.

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i say 70/30 gerry over yumeko fwiw

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targeting you and mafia killing you is perfectly fine. that means tomorrow the only lynchable people are whoever we don't lynch in me and gerry. doesn't make the slightest difference.

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targeting me and gerry is also perfectly fine. honestly, there's 0 chance anyone is killing outside of yumeko today, its a free win for town if they do

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yea annoying is a good way to describe it lmao

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From my point of view you still haven't addressed my point that a strongman doesn't make sense in this setup with my role? Do you think

And we've been playing in this game for over a real life month - why do your votes still follow the guidelines for the vote counter? Do you think the rest of us should be in awe of you when you have trouble following simple directions? You being rude and frankly grandstanding about your contributions when you've made many mistakes and mispushes yourself does not make me feel good about you as a player.

Strongman does kind of make sense with your role. My votes on Gerry.

Are you in awe that gerrt votes for gerry oat better than gerry because due to how its coded the t at the end matters more than the y at the end of gerry? But sure, insult me on something not game related.

I have made many mistakes and mispushes. That doesn't make me any less obv town. But, if it makes you feel better, I don't feel great about you as a player either <3

[skirt skirt]

gerry, do you think the scum is me or yumeko?

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I mean think about it, why did maf refuse to kill the GS if they had a strongarm?

kidamn has been scumread for a while, particularly by titus. though, it is incredibly suboptimal play, i can't think of any other realistic scenario.

But we've also had an unlimited vig, so it's possible maf could have been given more members here.

vigilante is low positive utility, there is not 2 maf.

[skirt skirt]

Want to wagon yumeko?

Please Mulch, don't tempt me anymore!

We need to all come together on a bigger wagon for today, time is of the essence!

I hope Yumeko gets NK'd because scum don't like reading only walls either, but I think he will be around tomorrow for another chance at lynching!

Actually I just noticed this post, it's pretty weird, isn't it?

weird is a good way to describe this

[skirt skirt]

una absolutely would bus as scum btw. he likes to try and gambit and stuff, he's still learning but that's his playstyle. i haven't played with scum una before but he'd 100% be willing to bus. food for thought.

[skirt skirt]

this is really annoying because I feel like I'm being obvious town today, but no one can see.

i repeat. do you think scum is yumeko or me?

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this is really annoying because I feel like I'm being obvious town today, but no one can see.

i repeat. do you think scum is yumeko or me?

I clearly stated everything I was thinking, figure that out for yourself.

i think you think yumeko is scum and im being an idiot. you haven't clearly stated it though. a hypothetical scum!you needs me and yumeko mislynches, so you would need both as options. of course, the same thing is true for myself and yumeko, but that doesn't change anything.