Normal 1934: Civilization Mafia Mafia (Endgame)

[Drixx]

Pretty much everyone did, Ginngie.

I've given it well enough time. Looks like the blank votes on me are opportunism.

I've got an idea, but it might offend a couple of you. How about we

NOT

snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this game by doing stupid shit like ignoring the really obvious?

Unvote

<--- For example; I thought I saw mathblade slip. There's legit a quoted post where they refer to being scum openly and I was like "WTF weird for math to slip like that", but assumed it was the reason votes had shifted that way. But I went back and looked and Math was legit talking about another game for some reason. (When will smart people learn that whatever happened in another game with another setup with different people cannot accurately inform you about any specific later piece of information?).

I even REFERENCED mathblade slipping, and nobody corrected me.

Like ... are we actually even trying here guys?



Meanwhile we've got Gamma somehow shrugging off a wagon by ... blank voting.

Did I wander into a newbie primer game or something? (Newbie primer = game to prepare one to play a newbie).

[Gamma Emerald]

What wagon on me? It's just Mathblade.

[Grendel]

@Drixx

Lime in da coconut wins the award for rolefishing as a reaction to me claiming to know of another PR. No town aligned player should want me to reveal such information, except in conditions where doing so would solve the game. And I certainly didn't say or imply that.

Is this as simple as Gamma Emerald and Lime?


@Ginngie - I would really like to see actual explanation and analysis please. I have a hard enough time getting a read on you. Short declarative statements for posts don't help. Even if it seems absurdly self-evident to you, can you please explain the rationale for how you arrive where you do? If you do it for no other reason than to demonstrate some new tools to help me, then at least do it for that please?

You said that the key to winning was to identify who nancy was defending.

So how was nancy defending Gamma by attempting to lynch him?

[Grendel]

@Math

Interestingly while I was in Civilization mafia, the longest Large Theme, I was also in Open 675, the longest Open. Both games sucked up a ridiculous amount of my time.

Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 3.56:

Gamma Emerald (4): Mathblade, Ginngie, nancy, lime in da coconut
nancy (1): massive
Mathblade (0):
lime in da coconut (0):
Drixx (0):
Grendel (0):
massive (0):
Ginngie (0):
PenguinPower (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald, Grendel, Drixx, PenguinPower

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-09-17 23:00:00).

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:

Drixx: 59
Ginngie: 54
lime in da coconut: 62
Gamma Emerald: 45
Mathblade: 23
Grendel: 60
massive: 55
PenguinPower: 70
nancy: 43

Replacements omg!
Prods did go out.

This VC is the highlight of why Gamma is scum.

Gamma sat at L-1 a

reallllly

long time here.

Then a nancy wagon develops.

If Gamma was Town scum could have hammered there.

It could also mean that with you and nancy on the wagon, and third scum was too flighty to join a wagon with their buddies. Many scums feel that putting their whole team on a single wagon is bad juju. Espssally if Gamma were to be flipped with no counter wagon, and no reason at that point. From scum pov I’d think that hammering town Gamma there would look pretty bad in retrospect.

VOTE: nancy

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Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.

Look who finally becomes active a drops a vote on nancy.

Grendel from playing with me knows I am an overconfident player and well...He claims I am scummy because I am loud lololol

Grendel is stretching for reasons.

I can't help my irl schedule outside of the game. If I could be more on top of things here I would be.

I was saying, and still say, that you’re are resistance to provide more explanations and reasons then you need to get by. Hence making your confidence look artificial to me. I think that claiming I meant, "Math is too loud," is an awful interpretation of I was saying.

Busy but compare interactions.

Robbvna was never questioned by nancy

However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense.

Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people.

She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot.

nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her.

This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."

I was also manipulating nancy.

She in night and day lied and called me Town.

I had her pegged on read in and called her Town to get her to relax then lead Gamma wagon and then scum divert to another scum and you have the courage to bullshit I am scum?

ObvTown doesn't mean right.

We are lynching Gamma who scum didn't want lynched.

I don’t think that anything in your court would be hard for a player of your experience to fake with that purpose of making a town/scum interaction. I also don’t think that nancy pretending to appease you is something nancy couldn't do to a buddy that is scum reading her. In fact It make sense for nancy to town read the buddy bussing her since that looks better the ignoring them altogether.

It doesn't add up that you can go on with how good you are at bussing, but somehow faking a town/scum relationship with a buddy is just too beyond your ability to accomplish.

[Grendel]

@All

Also, someone who isn't Gamma, and actually Grendel can attest. nancy doens't bus. No matter what.

Gingie is right, nancy doesn't bus.

@Gingie

I actually like the thought of Math/lime scum

MathxLime would mean the whole team would be on the same wagon, (Gamma), for an extended period of time. Which is uncommon on its own, and less likely in a situation were town is a day away from lylo.

I think that MathXDrixx makes more sense.

I may jump for MathxPengiun, or LimeXPengiun before MathxLime.

It seemed like there was something against DrixxXLime but I can't remember what is was now.

[Drixx]

There's a reason I am not pushing Lime, despite his reaction to what I said being pretty scummy. It's a good reason. I'd prefer to leave it at that.

As far as nancy busing or not busing: I reject that as an argument. Her pushing Gamma knowing she would die is what I would expect if they are teammates. She has been saying for awhile she's going to quit or take an extended break, so if there was ever a time to change things up, why not now? Furthermore ... she went to her death with like 2% of the charisma she actually has on display. She could have gotten out of that lynch and yet she didn't. It therefore follows that she wanted to be lynched. It therefore follows that any argument about her "busing" isn't really relevant in this situation.

I mean ... I suppose it's mildly possible that she didn't get lynched and Gamma did, but I wouldn't call her effort at the end of yesterday noteworthy, and if she actually wanted to bus someone, she has the charisma to pull it off.

So she decided to eat the lynch. She has a well known meta of not busing. People are outright dismissing a super scummy slot because nancy kinda sorta pushed it. That sounds exactly like what I was asking for earlier: who benefits from the way she played it out?


Pairing me up with Math is absurd because I could easily have hammered Gamma without any heat for doing it, and instead I voted math and took heat off of gamma.

You seem most sure of Math ... why?

[Ginngie]

Her pushing Gamma knowing she would die is what I would expect if they are teammates.

It's not like I said she was pushing Gamma before the gambit

[Drixx]

Her pushing Gamma knowing she would die is what I would expect if they are teammates.

It's not like I said she was pushing Gamma before the gambit

Do you believe she didn't consider that it might be a gambit? Even I realized it was almost certainly a gambit, and I'm not anywhere near her level.

[Ginngie]

i swear to god

okay how's this.

She was pushing Gamma before day 3.

Fuck.

[Drixx]

I apologize for frustrating you Ginngie. So scum!nancy pushing Gamma (before she scum claimed) means he should be in the probtown/paranoia pile?

[Ginngie]

I apologize for frustrating you Ginngie. So scum!nancy pushing Gamma (before she scum claimed) means he should be in the probtown/paranoia pile?

yee, I've been analyzing patterns in how nancy deals with each player.

Every town player matches up how nancy treated gamma

[MathBlade]

I apologize for frustrating you Ginngie. So scum!nancy pushing Gamma (before she scum claimed) means he should be in the probtown/paranoia pile?

yee, I've been analyzing patterns in how nancy deals with each player.

Every town player matches up how nancy treated gamma

Absolutely not.

*facepalm*

How are you like this bad? Seriously. By your own logic you're scum with the moderator.

Wanna lynch the mod?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ginngie actually makes a lot of sense. If nancy really did care about saving me why was she voting me in the first place?

[Drixx]

See ... Ginngie pointing it out is where you should have left it. You coming in and trying to hang your hat on it is super oily and opportunistic.

The first answer that comes to mind to your "question" is: distancing.

[Ginngie]

vote count?

[RadiantCowbells]

When I get home tonight

Sorta forgot this was a thing. Sorry.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just trying to help define the point.

[MathBlade]

See ... Ginngie pointing it out is where you should have left it. You coming in and trying to hang your hat on it is super oily and opportunistic.

The first answer that comes to mind to your "question" is: distancing.

This.

I am sore from helping move.

[RadiantCowbells]

I actually got really sad when UT locked the thread and I couldn't directly copy quotes, I had to go through the PM thing.
Sigh.

Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 4.63:

Drixx (2): Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower
Mathblade (1): Ginngie
Gamma Emerald (1): Mathblade
lime in da coconut (0):
Grendel (0):
Ginngie (0):
PenguinPower (0):

Not Voting: Grendel, lime in da coconut, Drixx

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-10-03 23:00:00).

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:

Drixx: 60
Ginngie: 42
lime in da coconut: 60
Gamma Emerald: 51
Mathblade: 24
Grendel: 65
PenguinPower: 66

[lime in da coconut]

Need a prod-dodge until tomorrow. Had a busy weekend.

[Gamma Emerald]

We just went an entire day without activity I think. Step it up. Grendel I'd like you to cast a vote ASAP.

[Grendel]

I wasn't on the internet until like five minutes ago dude.

My lynch pool is between Math/Drixx right now with Lime as a compromise.

Is Drixx your pref Gamma?

[Grendel]

Wowww, you can't complain about to game state if you aren't going to do anything to fix it. Calling me out then leaving before we can chat isn't cool. Play like you care okay?

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@All

Lets set an interim deadline where everybody on the roster places a vote on the table. Say, three days from now?

We don't need to lynch by then, but we do need at least two viable wagons by EoD. Which will be coming sooner then I think we are prepared for as is.

Meanwhile I'll look more into this roster.

[Drixx]

After the past few posts from Gamma (as I pointed out), I'm pretty sure he's scum. PP has remained an empty slot since replacing in and is a plausible partner.

Grendel you may as well take me out of your lynch pool. You haven't at all engaged with any of my posts so it just looks like you looked at the most recent vote count and don't really give a shit who gets lynched. You're about as a deep as a puddle.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol sorry was doing homework/worrying about offsite games. I could go for Drixx or Math, though I think I'm leaning towards Drixx for now.