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[Mulch]

What green v no green

[PantherPunt]

I think Lucky is being very towny.

Gonna need sources cited here.

1464 is not said by scum often

that's "very towny"

to say they are flipping a town read to a scum read?

scum don't do that often? you mean you haven't seen scum give a townread, see people scumreading the slot, and then decide that they want to flip to a scumread to get a mislynch? you haven't seen that?

I'm not saying one thing or another about lucky here. I'm saying your assessment is at best, horribad, and at worst, scummy. you've been pinging the shit out of me but I keep ignoring if purely based on cd's side of the cd/vedith shit. you're an annoying read bc you being scummy and nonsensical is more fitting to your town meta than your scum meta but I'm always cautiously waiting for players who fit that mold to just decide to start open wolfing one time and see everyone write it off as town meta

[PantherPunt]

Well, I'm definitely flipping town. My role card was greenish. The hue was a little off but that's the mods fault not mine.

Whoo

My role-card is uncolored.
Llama is lazy and this is a lie.
VOTE: Screen

well crap.

I guess Im on a vanity wagon then.

vote Chill

.

vote Screen

Should have used that to gambit for more..
My bad :/

So your not green?

That is indeed the case.
I don't think there are green PMs in this game.

Well, I'm definitely flipping town. My role card was greenish. The hue was a little off but that's the mods fault not mine.

Whoo

My role-card is uncolored.
Llama is lazy and this is a lie.
VOTE: Screen

Hokay. Looks like this is convincing to no-one.
That is not at all what I expected.
Can someone please tell me where I'm going wrong?

this, mulch

scum make this string of posts exactly never

[PantherPunt]

You say that you will consider me possible Town and then proceed to shade.

Tell you what.
You vote Una and I will unvote you.

quit saying 'shade' like it's scummy. this is a game of casing people - you can't call legitimate points shade. did you or did you not soften your read by saying it was up for review? can that or can that not be scummy? it's up to you to defend against the point or otherwise just exemplify and exude towniness.

and no, I won't vote una. I think he's town. that's a very unpopular opinion, it would seem, so maybe I'll lay out my town case and then you can talk about your "feels" on why he is scum

[PantherPunt]

these are the notes I had for una but I kinda just didn't take notes after getting to a certain comfort level in ISO. gonna dive back in and I'll assemble a fuller set of thoughts
:

I like 364 from a tonal standpoint; not overreacting
like exchange with bbt in 463-469 and think his side of it (not BBTs) probably makes them not w/w
like 535

[Mulch]

Ok I'm sold I don't think Una slot is scum

[PantherPunt]

quick read list:
tictac/Elena Fisher - never voting
mulch - highly likely town

tchill
una
both towny with a caveat that they make level 0 sense to be scum partners, but on the macro holistic read-level, they're probably just town

think that scum are in here
fitz
lucky (BBT)
srceenplay

[Mulch]

Ok I'm sold I don't think TicTac slot is scum

EBWOP

[PantherPunt]

Ok I'm sold I don't think Una slot is scum

how come?

just want to make sure you're not confusing the tictac "green thing" with being from una

[PantherPunt]

lol k

[Mulch]

I think Lucky is being very towny.

Gonna need sources cited here.

1464 is not said by scum often

that's "very towny"

to say they are flipping a town read to a scum read?

scum don't do that often? you mean you haven't seen scum give a townread, see people scumreading the slot, and then decide that they want to flip to a scumread to get a mislynch? you haven't seen that?

I'm not saying one thing or another about lucky here. I'm saying your assessment is at best, horribad, and at worst, scummy. you've been pinging the shit out of me but I keep ignoring if purely based on cd's side of the cd/vedith shit. you're an annoying read bc you being scummy and nonsensical is more fitting to your town meta than your scum meta but I'm always cautiously waiting for players who fit that mold to just decide to start open wolfing one time and see everyone write it off as town meta

The fact they are 180 with no explantion isn't said by scum, especially not on this site. They want to appear consistent. ANd no, I barely ever see that. It makes me suspicious of you that you are trying to push this because you should have more experience than me to know that scum don't paint a target on their backs like that often.

[Mulch]

quick read list:
tictac/Elena Fisher - never voting
mulch - highly likely town

tchill
una
both towny with a caveat that they make level 0 sense to be scum partners, but on the macro holistic read-level, they're probably just town

think that scum are in here
fitz
lucky (BBT)
srceenplay

Screenplay is scummy by meta, something to consider.

[PantherPunt]

12 I don't really get and that made me think it was scummy at first
16 makes me think he is unlikely scum with BBT (further by 463-469)
348 does seem a bit odd in the high level of confidence he seemingly has in a Mulch=town read that early in the game
364 is a level-headed enough explanation for 348
463 has some nice nuance to noticing dunker case on cd is more in-depth than meta experience would dictate; level-headed thought to not just scumread him for that (and we know he was town, so if una was scum, he could have easily/convincingly used it as a point to scumread him)
BBT looks scummy in quoted posts of 467 and 469 as he is shading una for not joining Dunk wagon; they're never w/w
580 decent nuance to the thought if it is fake (would not expect from "newer" player); referencing a derailing wagon if dunk is scum (he wasn't, neither was pisskop)
680 shows mistrust of players softly pushing for his lynch, which town players feel and scum players don't tend to frame this way, they either hard attack or ignore/hard townread back/pocket
685 another hard perspective to fake as scum (talking about easy mislynch on cd at first and then dunk becoming new target after that stalled)
1177 is a fair thought to worry about a wagon that two strong scumreads are on; I think a scumbro would be unlikely to hard defend a bro so staunchly/blatantly; powerscumming is too scary for beginners IME
1227 "If ghots flips town (I honestly believe he will)" is a hard thing to post as scum. If you don't think so, you haven't played much mafia
1228 still talking about it being a town flip; scum just don't do this

[Mulch]

What do you mean with 580??

[PantherPunt]

if srceenplay is town, I think the team is probably fitz and BBT(lucky)

esp considering lucky
1) called una town based on his ISO
2) wanted to lynch me without any 'why'
2a) tried to talk people away from fitz lynch and onto my lynch (why? good question, he didn't say why fitz is town)
3) and now is saying that he is flipping his una read to a scum read and VOTE
4) while also saying that he read fitz, scum leans him, but wants to lynch una

who is staunchly opposed to lynching lucky2u/BBT and why?

[PantherPunt]

What do you mean with 580??

it's hard for scum to say that they think one wagon is probably the mislynch wagon that scum want in favor of another wagon, when both of those wagons are actually just town wagons

he didn't need to be deliberating on that thought / imo wouldn't think to show that 'fake' thought as scum, because it's a hard thought to fake when you're looking at town/town wagons on the lynchblock

[Srceenplay]

quick read list:
tictac/Elena Fisher - never voting
mulch - highly likely town

tchill
una
both towny with a caveat that they make level 0 sense to be scum partners, but on the macro holistic read-level, they're probably just town

think that scum are in here
fitz
lucky (BBT)
srceenplay

Screenplay is scummy by meta, something to consider.

I think I have only been mislynched once out of lylo.
Just because I'm not traditional town doesn't mean that I won't become obvious town.

[Srceenplay]

You say that you will consider me possible Town and then proceed to shade.

Tell you what.
You vote Una and I will unvote you.

quit saying 'shade' like it's scummy. this is a game of casing people -

you can't call legitimate points shade.

did you or did you not soften your read by saying it was up for review? can that or can that not be scummy? it's up to you to defend against the point or otherwise just exemplify and exude towniness.

and no, I won't vote una. I think he's town. that's a very unpopular opinion, it would seem, so maybe I'll lay out my town case and then you can talk about your "feels" on why he is scum

You could be right if there were legitimate points but the was none, so shade it is.


I said I had him as a town read.
I said "you" might scum read him for....
I said I might relook tomorrow.

[Srceenplay]

@Panther...you read me as scum? If so how so?

I wasn't, no. It didn't really come into play until I was going through who made sense as Screen's partner (if there is one) and you just made the most sense by a sizable margin.

Here are the notes I have on you from a cursory read-through on 9/20.

just a gut read town as it seems like he is spending little pieces of time reading players and coming to a conclusion
not forcing reasoning behind his conclusions (BUT they ARE all light town reads so meh)
minor inconsistency in that he initially said he was suspect of chill and tictac and kinda let tictac fall by the wayside in subsequent reads (scum try to be more consistent)
unless he is scum with tictac

if srceenplay is town, I think the team is probably fitz and BBT(lucky)

esp considering lucky
1) called una town based on his ISO
2) wanted to lynch me without any 'why'
2a) tried to talk people away from fitz lynch and onto my lynch (why? good question, he didn't say why fitz is town)
3) and now is saying that he is flipping his una read to a scum read and VOTE
4) while also saying that he read fitz, scum leans him, but wants to lynch una

who is staunchly opposed to lynching lucky2u/BBT and why?

How does you fitz thought process work all of this out. It looks like it's randomly jumping around now.

[Lucky2u]

I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
-
-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.

[Lucky2u]

Formatting errors aside, anyone think I'm far off?

[Tchill13]

Mulch you still don't have this game figured out?

[Elena Fisher]

Lucky and Elena, who do yo think fits well with una?

Elena, are you all the way caught up? Anyone high up town for you and/or definite scum for you?

Yes I am all caught up! I'd like to vote in fliz/Unba today those are the 2 people I feel most confident will flip scum I don't see myself voting Lucky anytime soon he's my top townread everyone else has certain levels of towny to them if you have a question on someone feel free to ask I know I didn't post a huge catch up but I am 100% caught up

[PantherPunt]

How does you fitz thought process work all of this out. It looks like it's randomly jumping around now.

I don't have anything that is really pointing me to scumread him. In fact, I like a few light things.

But the townreads I have, I feel good about, so he is basically in POE-land of not towny enough to eclipse 4 others, so therefore he is in the upper part of my bottom half of read list - might be scum.

[PantherPunt]

I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
-
-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.

So have you read the whole game?

And if you see my read list, I obviously fall into the category of "I think you're far off"

but I have you as a leading scum candidate, so that part can be held aside.

Why is screen top town for you?

What is the basis for your scumread on me?