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Maki's defeatist attitude and admission. There's two themes in the scenario and both can be AI.In post 27, Chara wrote:what's this referring to?-
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Acid, if I'm town and you're town there's five other townies you can try to convince with that pitch. If you want to let the cat out of the bag this early, you're losing a large part of the power behind your pressure. What do you see happening next?
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No. I found it interesting that group 2 was more talkative.In post 123, Wickedestjr wrote:All of Lycan's questions need to be answered immediately?
Thanks. There were a few reasons why I asked that specific question. Between Acidphoenix and myself bringing up group dynamics, my lone RQS doesn't have much teeth left.In post 123, Wickedestjr wrote:That reminds me. I need to answer this one. @Lycan- if you were a dentist, you would probably pull one of mywisdom teethbecause I still have them.
Group A: Dentist/teeth
Motive: Establish personal imperfections or guilt.
Interesting quirk: Wisdom is in the game. Asking the group with Wisdom in it had the potential to gethimto think about why. He doesn't seem to care.
It's outcome... Failure. Your answer is spoiled by the discussion Acidphoenix and I had previous to it. Anything said after that goes into the trash heap.
SUCCESS BY OTHER MEANS:
Maki admitted that they were actively being defeatist in their first three posts. That's the guilt aspect. So is Maki rightfully guilty? Yes. There's an interesting dichotomy here if whether admitting this is townie, but with consideration to her posts previous she only made this comment as a result of the ones it took to get there. Verdict: while it wasn't the plain self realization I was after, Maki really dragged on their own play here. Felt like Reasonably Rational in Steven Universe 2 pre-game.In post 20, Maki Harukawa wrote:I'm not going to keep preachingthat "it doesn't matter we're gonna lose" I'm saying it's going to be a challenge compared to other set ups.
In all I would put her in the scum pile. Her associatives are snooze-worthy, and she isn't set up to be lategame scum. Given the odds on an already scummy slot, I would lynch this day 1 in absent of anything better, if only due to the odds of the lynch being well placed in this setup.
Group B: Good at mafia
Motive: Offer a loaded question. See who wants to call me on it.
Interesting quirk: I deliberately left out UCV to round out the numbers, to see if he or anyone else would pick up on it. Given the question it was meant to be inflammatory.
It's outcome: ... It got people talking? Diamond quickly called bullshit on it, which was acceptable behavior. I think the willingness to laud about oneself in this scenario rather than question my motives to be scummy. Chara lands into scumpile.
Overall objective: split people up into two groups, two subgroups, and ideally, get someone to rail on me for starting RQS in an RVS meta, to further observe group dynamics. I suppose nobody really cares about the latter bit.
Going to VOTE: Wicked for now, for being in the trash heap. What they have going for them: some idea of group dynamics mattering (gambit). Against: that early macho act about being in a previous game/pointing out an obvious quirk. 177 reads like scumstration - it's a hilariously disingenuous question. The following post does no favors either, going back to establishing a role of authority, and, after plainly shutting down Acid, for an otherwise perfectly valid reason, when they themselves had previously probed a similar possibility earlier on!
I thought I would let everybody know that I have an otherworldly power that allows me to detect bullshit. I would love,loveto go over the numerous times I've found a little detail that put me over the edge and made me feel like I was no longer on the same planet anymore. Instead I'll restrain myself, pull myself together and share the following in hopes that at least one other person can be as detached from the living world as much as I am:
In post 100, acidphoenix wrote:think the lynch list is the best way to play this cause you get wolf reactionsIn post 101, Lycanfire wrote:Acid, if I'm town and you're town there's five other townies you can try to convince with that pitch. If you want to let the cat out of the bag this early, you're losing a large part of the power behind your pressure.What do you see happening next?In post 102, acidphoenix wrote:the thing about the pressure of this
is that given the setup
the wolves can't just rationally do it
because you can read on opposition to it
I think right now that list has 3-4 wolves a vast majority of the time
(i don't think it's ever the full team though)
if I'm right, wolveshave to oppose it
yes, there is some wine
but opening the cask was always a necessary step for the gameIn post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:This seems like something you shouldn't have explained until after people had had a chance to react. The WIFOM is stronger now.
The proverbial cask was unleashed prior to my question, and I only asked the question because the idea of approaching the game based on group dynamics became a bust. Wicked was happy to play the fool here, while Acidphoenix humored him, threw back some listerine and spat out an alternate universe. Acid is 100% a lynch on a Wicked scumflip.In post 106, acidphoenix wrote:In post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:This seems like something you shouldn't have explained until after people had had a chance to react. The WIFOM is stronger now.well if lycan didnt ask I wouldn't have had to
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Momma didn't raise no shitposter. This is a sequel.
I mentioned Wisdom earlier on and howI thoughthe might care about a post and how I cared about how he may care.
Trust me, this is leaving shitpost territory and hitting some heights really quickly.
Early on nobody seemed to care about Wisdom actively screaming that they're likely wrong about their reads. I'm going to play some 5D chess and townread this: certainly this is the lowest of the efforts to actually push, making it prime S+S real estate to build a shitpost upon. Instead we had a reply like Diamond being so very close to seeing the nuance in it before having it taken away like all the toys his parents never let him have as a child.
Later on, I made a purposely inflammatory post in 86 re: Acidphoenix play, and Wisdom followed up by caring little for it, and rather than affirm my beliefs in any way he immediately scumread me for it while townreading Acid. I never disclosed my read on what I implied as AI play, and realizing that Wisdom, someone I perceive as similarly inquisitive as I am would not take the bait, I dropped the matter and shared my read on Acid.
This nuance was not left on me when Chara townread me for zero progression in my reads in 142. Chara and I have played a few games together, and I'm suddenly weighing whether they should know better to townread me forthose specific postsagainst Chara's seething need to townhunt somebody. It's like bringing a baseball bat to a football game. You're not thinking with your feet, Chara!
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My very first thought was that acidphoenix was at the forefront of the game and that was suspicious because that wasn't what I expected of him. That could be because he hasIn post 198, Chara wrote:were you not calling them possible scum in the first post?four teammatesthat he knows by name. My next thought was that nothing he was saying was actually suspicious, and he was approaching the game the same way I had been. If I were to slice his interaction with Wicked out of my brain he would be my strongest townread.
By the time I made either of those posts my mind was made up. The key detail is Wisdom not having any of it, and if he wouldn't, nobody would insert themselves into that conversation, so immediately putting my own comment down was the best play. Having anyone severely miss the point (pursuing group dynamics is good) is a scumclaim in this scenario.
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I feel like 178 is a poor let down with regards to what acidphoenix is suggesting. It's a continuation of your post 15 and I feel like you're more concerned with establishing yourself as a person that will direct the game state opposed to actively take it and lead it.In post 204, Wickedestjr wrote:
What are you trying to say here? It's not clear to me.Lycan wrote:Against: that early macho act about being in a previous game/pointing out an obvious quirk.
What are you trying to say here? It's not clear to me.Lycan wrote:The following post does no favors either, going back to establishing a role of authority, and, after plainly shutting down Acid, for an otherwise perfectly valid reason, when they themselves had previously probed a similar possibility earlier on!
Yes, we all get that you didn't like it. Is his list that scummy, and if you truly feel like it is, is that your home run argument on scum? Is Kunk so lockscum at that point for you that rather than get town!Kunk in the game you disparage him when you clearly have nothing better to post anyway - see the above reference to your post 178. You talk down Kunk in the the previous post- 177! What a drag on the game state.In post 204, Wickedestjr wrote:
kunkstar's list of lynchable people only consists of the five least-contributing players. What's concerning is the fact that I'm the only one who asked him about it. Because that's either very lazy or demonstrates a true lack of interest in sorting those who are contributing.Lycan wrote:177 reads like scumstration - it's a hilariously disingenuous question.
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In post 213, Wickedestjr wrote:I'm not really sure what to do here. Has the site meta changed in the last year and a half, so now people just don't give reasons for their votes? If so, then that just sucks. Or are people in so many other games that they just don't care about this one? I have explained my vote for Diamond and I've talked about why all the points against me are invalid, yet the votes all remain.
Welcome to why people don't make cases. I spent the entirety of Kidney Mafia asking for votes on Maki and arguably had better results at having people listen to me than I had in any other game.In post 214, Wickedestjr wrote:Lycanfire's vote seems like the worst, after Diamond's. He ignores the criticisms that I've gotten from Diamond/Wisdom but still manages to join the wagon for his own (weak) reasons. It feels like he's just trying to come up with his own justification for voting me to avoid being attacked for opportunism, rather than genuinely finding me more suspicious than anyone else.
I don't recall referencing any of your criticisms at all, you do not ask me to reply in kind in any way, and, frankly, I view them both as town and openly stated my reads on both. Why should I entertain your thoughts on my townreads if you don't care to have me justify my reads any further? If I'm superscum getting hunted like a Baratheon here, my stances on everyone is important to have on paper. I have no incentive to do any of this as it is. Another disingenuous question.
You seem to have an inkling that certain players are town and don't want to put in the work. You clearly have some people in mind. Who's town?In post 213, Wickedestjr wrote:I definitely feel that my bandwagon is being pushed by scum and am getting the impression that the town-aligned players just don't want to work together this game.
Wicked: Can you tell me what you meant by Diamond being scummy regardless of Maki's alignment, and can you explanation your progression on going after Kunkstar over either of those- Maki in particular drops off the face of the earth for you quite early, while you're content to hiss scum from a distance with Diamond. Maki seems to let bygones be bygones immediately after you chastise Kunk in her post 180 - but you do not respond and your Kunk vote only materializes in 213. What gives?-
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read up and sort maki pleaseIn post 206, Not_Mafia wrote:Not_Mafia - Scum
Wisdom- Who knows
Carcalilly- Don't know who this is.
Maki Harukawa- Lots of words, not saying much
Wickedestjr- Scum
Lycanfire- Scum
Brian Skies- Scum
acidphoenix- Scum
UC Voyager-Scum
DiamondSentinel- Still not sure if tone is scum or not
Chara- meh
kunkstar7- Don't know who this is
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I'm asking about a single postIn post 278, Mulch wrote:
Will read later. Haven’t read any of the game srryIn post 276, Lycanfire wrote:I am interested in how Acid is walking off my suggestion that he and Wicked had a conversation about events that he should have known did not take place the way he was suggesting them to have occurred.
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In post 279, acidphoenix wrote:
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Mulch, what's your take on post 242?
See the latter half of 196.In post 282, Chara wrote:can you reword the first sentence? i don't know who you're saying suggested what.-
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You shouldn't with how his posts have progressed.
I have in my notes:In post 282, Chara wrote:
how effective do you think this question is now that you've explained your methodology?In post 243, Lycanfire wrote:Chara, can you summarize the game so far by hitting key points in how the game has progressed?
200 chara - tries really hard to force a townread on me. goes out on a limb to suggest something i've spoken to the contrary on (DUBIOUS). talks about their personal satisfaction (INTERESTING WORDCHOICE). doesn't get group dynamics despite having acidphoenix and myself talk about it- THIS IS THE PLACE TO PUSH. ask for them to summerize the game and to give their thoughts. this post ALONE should tell their align.
The fact that you glossed over what acidphoenix and I were trying to do by first saying in 200 that you didn't get it, and further saying here that acidphoenix offered scumreads and nothing more is what is going to keep you in the scumpile. I looked at your post 200 and saw something I disagreed with, another part had word choice I personally liked: by the end of it you were clearly notinthe game and if you're town, you need to be in the game.
I flat-out said why: because he had nothing better to do! He was sitting on a scumread on Diamond, and openly said he would not move votes. Wicked took a detour in putting down Kunkstar, which he later stated to UCV as being his primary inspiration to vote him [kunk]. In theIn post 282, Chara wrote:244: lycan, why is it a player's responsibility to be nice to someone they're trying to read instead of using a question that generates conflict? the game runs on conflict. you're talking like Wicked has been insulting kunkstar instead of noting problems with the list.immediatepost after putting down Kunkstar, he puts down acidphoenix, for reasons I stated werenot bad reasonsIF you were to ignore that Wicked briefly had the same thoughts previously- see his early 'gambit'!
Lastly, with all gambits dead in the water there's a main takeaway here: the game has progressed to the point where I doubt we can reverse and choose find five people to lynch as a breaking strategy.
Therefore the conclusion townies need to make is that you can only lynch ONE person.
See how I actively sort you versus how he was sitting on his hands with Kunkstar.
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Aren't Wicked and I generally saying the same thing "this is a bust/what next?" I feel like you should have been able read that it was over by the time you made your original post. Saying my question forced your hand into killing any power behind it is simply untrue.In post 286, acidphoenix wrote:obviously the cask was already open but it wasn't tipped as far over
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I think his "it's funny how NM suspects myself / the one I'm voting for" post to be hilariously bad, when you consider UCV supposedly forgot they were voting for Wicked, and UCV "voted" after NM. This post bleeds innocence to me in a one-step forward two-steps back kind of way. If he's scum, should he really say something this stupid, and from a town pov finding someone to scumread, especially for personally-bad but objectively-good reasons makes me feel like he personally wants to find scum. The vote off of Wicked doesn't look strange when you consider that.In post 291, kunkstar7 wrote:UC Voyager is a tough one to read here because on one hand his progression makes no sense, especially considering it was anunvoteas a switch off of Wicked rather than a vote hop. He was leaning pretty hard into his Wicked vote with pretty much no substance but still leaning hard, then the one Not_Mafia post and now its "welp gotta take a look at NM let's forget about Wicked". I think the fact that its an unvote is whats really getting me here. Now the other side of that is I'm not sure him being well-versed in MS play, but seeing as this is not a newbie I'm just going to take this one at face value and throw him into scum side.-
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Can Michael and Mulch cool it a bit on the strongarming here.
Regarding lynching acidphoenix, I don't trust your gut. Frankly, re: his response to me, holding out on what a town!acidphoenix may have wanted to do, feeling burned and denying every step of the way is about the closest to the expected behavior I can imagine here, even if I maintain what he was doing was dead in the water before I told him as much. I'm not lynching him today, because he's vaguely town to me without a Wicked flip.
Michael in particular lowly ranks Wicked but keeps him as a peripheral scumread. Why is he not more prominent? I feel like with the two sides of the wagons on Kunkstar and Wicked respectively, if you think one of these is scum, there is an active counterwagon on the other. If you think he's town, he should be no where near the bottom, and how are the wagoners rationalized (465). Is this a massive TvT or are you (Michael) revising your reads?
I really dislike how Mulch pretends not to know who Wicked is, ignored my question and has two objectives: control day phase with Michael, secondly, lynch acid. In that order. I feel like if someone is going to be town intentioned, they would at least flip their priorities around. After all, he is supposedly never wrong on acidphoenix, and if we're to trust him on that one, he ought to trust himself.
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I feel really lethargic right now.
Can we get together and do a soft reset?
We need to establish:
We have to lynch somebody
-> Who should that be?
-> Can we agree to lynch that person?
Keep going until we find somebody.
I'm in on Wicked.
-I feel like he has tried too hard to be useful while actively holding back the game state
--For instance, he has pointed out how self sacrifice will guarantee flips. I'm sure everybody (1) questioned how perpetual mylo worked (2) looked at the setup (3) realized the game would last a single day (4) looked at the mechanics that made the game perpetual.
-Wicked made an early gambit, and that was in fact good on him, however he used the above problem to strike down Acidphoenix's 5-man plan, citing how flips will be huge for the town.
--This point is something I mentioned as being good,if notfor the fact that his gambit was very similar. I feel like this is my main point in support of a Wicked lynch.
-Maki is a peripheral scumread of mine, and Wicked has scumread her, pushed Diamond, and when he reached a lull, did not interact with Maki when she attempted to clear the air with him. Wicked re-appears to place a vote on Kunk many posts later, when he could have done so sooner.
--I feel like this is some kind of a misstep as Wicked's read on Maki has never evolved and he has placed no effort in sorting her. If he thinks Maki is town, he should work with her, and do anything to progress the game on that front. If he thinks Maki is scum, all he has to do is repeat it at some point? (e.g.great, you're still scum though) I've been trying to get people to express their reads on Maki, and he is unable to do that.
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See, this is why I disliked your game synopsis Chara. You ignored the group dynamics of Wicked's gambit, and simply made everything about the act itself vs his detractors.In post 552, Chara wrote:
talk about this? how was his gambit to get discussion going similar to acid's plan?In post 550, Lycanfire wrote:--This point is something I mentioned as being good, if not for the fact that his gambit was very similar. I feel like this is my main point in support of a Wicked lynch.
I feel like Wicked's gambit was a lighter version of what acid suggested: pick a group of five and run with it. Wicked lacked the smoking gun acid had, and instead tried looking like a badass for supposedly solving the game. For someone that seemingly pushed acid in the direction he ran in, Wicked was very quick to yank him back.-
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Subject: Newbie 1791: Dragon Warrior (Game Over - Scum win!)In post 557, Chara wrote:your responses to me make me feel that you're either on another plane of existence
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Cheeky but perhaps better aimed at your scum partner.In post 14, Not Fury wrote:Oh boy oh jeez ok fine I'll role claim. I am bus driver.
I've been pegged as a question-asker but it's never something I consciously do. I very much like to feel engaged with the game-the worst feeling in this game is having your reads ignored or having people say they won't read your posts. I'm a player that over thinks things too hard. People tend to call my arguments reachy, and they're not exactly wrong, however I always dig in and insist that I'm taking a reasonable position. For better or for worse I feel like I appear from a bizarro world and offer an account of the game that nobody else comprehends.In post 16, Balki B wrote:@everyone, I'd be interested to hear a bit of self-evaluation for each of you. Just an idea of your overall experience level, and what sort of player you perceive yourself to be.
As for me, I'm quite active, as you'll see, and I generally ask a lot of questions. I kind of crave engagement. I have gotten enough lynch votes wrong to reduce my level of certainty about most reads. But I think my strength is in seeing poor arguments for what they are, and explaining why they are poor. I'm not always good at deciphering whether a poor argument is coming from a sincere place or not. I'm also a sucker for mea culpas. If you tell me I'm right, I'll very likely town read you! But, now I told you my weakness, so someone else will spot your manipulation.
Lynching the wrong person feels bad-but lynching the wrong person and letting scum get away feels worse. I suggest that you have no remorse when you get confident, and if you aren't confident, work on building your reads so you can be. My first three games on this site led to me getting endgamed as town when I either had the game nearly figured out (1), or had it entirely figured out, but got led astray by a townie (2). What's worse than lynching a townie is letting the town get endgamed because you don't want to follow through.-
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Look, Chara, this is a game with five scum. That's a large pool you can mine for resources. There is no fancy magic to it. This is what I have been talking about when I referencedgroup dynamics. With acid's post about wolf reactions this pool has shrunk quite drastically. It hasn't disappeared, but a slip became less likely. What we have left is a typical pool of scum- the slight advantage we may have gained by exploiting the size relative to the town has been lost, but there's still five people we can solve, which is more than we would get in any other mini.
I felt quite good about Wicked and Acidphoenix until Wicked interfered with Acid. That's why that is my main point. I saw a part of my own work in their posts. This is further complicated by acid's interaction with Wicked. I see Wicked as scum, while acid might be scum over someone like Mulch for example. I think I have a good pool of four, and yes you're in it. I don't want to make this about groups of five, and my reads should be pretty obvious right now with the exception of NM as scum, mainly due to complicating matters re: maki.-
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You're running away with the conclusion here to support the premise.In post 570, Chara wrote:those supporters would reveal themselves as supporters (scum) and be lynchable, therefore ruining the point of Mulch self-destructing and being sacrificed after the lynch.
do you think i'm wrong? i'm very used to being wrong.
If you believe the premise (Mulch is self destructive scum, and wants to go 1:1), then surely the best way to go about that is to get towns on your side. He could be doing this with Michael, yourself, or failing entirely.
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I empathize. I was thinking of bowing out yesterday with a less kind message. I'm a very worn and tired person and seeing the thread ripped apart made me wondering if I was still playing mafia.
I did not ask for replacement or ask for some postnatal wotc because despite feeling like going on is no longer possible, I don't know that, and I especially do not know Mulch or Michael's alignments, and I don't want to lose to either of them if they turn up scum. I can't let this be a valid strategy, so the only thing I can do is stake it out and hope at least one of them is town and is willing to put the brakes on the posting, and get a little serious with me.
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Play the game, scumfuckIn post 626, Maki Harukawa wrote:That's plenty time to have your own read and at least state it. Klunk Wicked and Acid one of those are getting lynched most likely I'd suggest looking in that direction for now I am off to lunch-
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It was the strange sequence acid re: wicked wrt the gambit's viability after acid OR my post that trouble me. Since it is an interaction it is mostly dependent on my Wicked srIn post 839, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Last I remember your group dynamics were implying a viomi/wicked scumteam, what changed?
Thr group dynamics discussion was in both of their favor until Acid gave up and blamed me while Wicked went back on his (wicked's) own ambitions on the matter. I see Wicked as contradictory and my biggest SR among other reasons
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In post 574, Mulch wrote:ROFL I JUST HAVE A GOD READ ON ACID SHEEP ME DUMBOS LOL
Hmm. What if a non-Acid lynch looked so good at the time of Mulch's entrance that the scumteam messed up the plan? Rationalizing why Mulch went to such extreme lengths to ignore my calls for content, and only become more ridiculous after I asked for a soft reset is proving very difficult.In post 567, Chara wrote:the theory of Mulch scum self-destructing to mislynch acid doesn't apply now that two of them are doing it.
Chara: you seemed to think Mulch was incredibly scummy at some point before Michael synchronized with Mulch, but you only make one post that really supports that:In post 590, Mulch wrote:And not only that if you were to do such a thing you as the moderator have the reasponsipility for warning and force replacing yourself, not leaving it up to the players who could be using it as a game strategy. Atriocious.
In fact, during the whole debacle, after you say your bit on Wicked/Kunkstar, you seemingly become very obsessed with Mulch's alignmentIn post 357, Chara wrote:i could lynch Mulch and Michael for that exchange alone.
the above is an exaggeration. it's still scummy.
In post 489, Chara wrote:i'll gladly lynch Michael for the sake of my sanity in general.
but no, it's my business to be the tolerant one.
why am i town after Mulch, Michael?In post 534, Chara wrote:
why do neither of these options carry an implicit "i'm town"? i can't see it.In post 531, acidphoenix wrote:both of you know better than to scumread me for being "frozen"
also, the fact that you managed to use meta on me and aggressively push me for a case means that either a. (less likely) people don't care about your case and you're searching for opportunities for me to post the Einstein insanity quote
or b(more likely). your case is dogshit given how blatant the differences apparently are(source: toranaga) and how easy they should be to get across
do you have actually good reads
disclaimer haven't read the case and don't see a reason to
why aren't Mulch and/or Michael scum pushing you?
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i'm calling u a scumbutt. the post relies on the suggestion that mulch acted like he didn't want to play the game by actually playing the game. chara made an interesting post d1 about how it could be strategy, but discounted the possibility of that. specifically, chara said mulch could have suiciding his slot onto acidphoenix. if i run with that theory at the time Mulch did so, it makes a lot of sense, because if one goes down the other looks good- except, somehow acid really did get lynched, and mulch (you) don't look any better for it. you know, it being some shitty read from your pred and you fully trusted for reasons.In post 1015, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I dont know what Lycan's 1001 is all about, would rather get some conclusions from there tyvm.
chara never really scumread your slot after the opening, and subtly suggested Mulch was town when interacting with others. as if chara wanted to grow the perception of town!Mulch, without actually saying so. reads manipulative as fuck.
the one problem with my theory is that i don't know how acid gets lynched over wicked. kunkstar wasn't going to happen- that was a tried and failed counterwagon. did both wagons land on scum and the scumteam decided to mercy kill the slot for townpoints? it isn't inspiring-but that would be the best move in this single scenario.
i presented it with questions rather than a final conclusion becausei'mhaving problems coming to the conclusion- i'm not saying this is an end-all, game-solved read, but chara continually refuses to game solve, while they also made a really similar post to Mulch, and Mulch's posting d1 is a problem to me. that is the problem i want to solve. in my mind all behavior makes sense. even if he wants to scream godread all day i did my damnedest to reel him in, to commentate, to give me a second name. the closest to lucidity mulch got was saying michael was 100% town or scum bussing.... so essentially he claimed he can't read anyone worth shit, while claiming to know acid's alignment.thatwas the result of mulch working with other people.-
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why do you sr shuichi and this is day 2 getIn post 1048, Maki Harukawa wrote:DiamondSentinel Chara Wickedestjr
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kunkstar7 Wisdom
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found the wisdom quote. he seemed to think it was a distraction off of wicked. not exactly the s+s suiciding i'm suggesting here. i think putting the light on it when mulch claims he could have been working as part of a strategy still makes you look bad. that does assume that mulch had a strategy and wasn't simply throwing a fit.-
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because i have no reason to think he's not scumIn post 1068, Chara wrote:VOTE: kunkstar
why does Viomi's scumflip initially make you think Wicked is scum too? it doesn't sound like you considered scum theatre until it was brought up, the way you phrased it.-
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wow holy shit who wouldn't vote for this. it's wicked's personally chosen counterwagon with scumfuck A and scumfuck B on it.
oh wait
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kaede constant 'game doesn't make sense' is shitcommentary
chara+kaede+shuichi drawing attention to the nk is bad. diamond's was bad, but diamond isn't trying to get the town to guess why.
get rid of your nullsIn post 1129, DiamondSentinel wrote:Someone engage with me. I hate lurking, but I can't find anything I care to comment on right now.
I could try to give another read list, see if that'll fix things. But as it is, my head is hurting too much trying to remember what happened yesterday and so my reads are skewed.
As it is, Chara's sitting at town, Wisdom's at town, Shuichi's at null!scum, wicked still scum, and blondie and Maki are sitting at solid nulls.
do you really have nothing to talk about? i could vomit a lot of viewpoints atm, but i'm not sure what would be noise and what would communicate the direction i want to move in. if you have nothing on the table, should you have the same concern?
for instance (and everybody at home can play this game too) which of these posts seem genuine to you?
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This is a good point.In post 1092, Shuichi Saihara wrote:And to address everyone suspecting kunkstar today, explain to me why he casts the L-1 vote for viomi with Dunn visibly wavering unless he's also scum with wicked in which case vote there first.
But then, why is he going after wicked still?
Like idgi, let's assume for a momment that wicked's gonna flip scum, why does kunstar still go after Wicked today if they are both scum.
Actually it doesnt make sense for kunkstar scum to do that either... ugh im just second guessing myself again
UNVOTE:In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Hi maki, want to talk about reads? Consider than an invitation, because I want to talk about your reads and mine with you. Who should we lynch from your perspective? Why do you suspect kunk?In post 1100, Maki Harukawa wrote:Acids interactions with me make me town and I was one of the first ones to want them lynched I don't think you can call me scum here.
Do people think Wicked is scum? Why feeling fine on my Shuichi sr nowIn post 1130, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Christ why don't you all just lynch me already, if this isn't obvtown I have no fucking idea what is.
I shouldn't let that post be the straw that breaks it because diamond is just scum but this is getting old. I've been nothing but an asset to this town.In post 1138, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Uhh, I thought lurking Maki was town Maki? or did I get that wrong. Well she will probably say I shouldn't use meta to read her anyway.
But, what If you're scum trying to get a point?.
Although Sushi i can probably trust.
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