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[Nero Cain]

Look for bold underline and itallics. Siblings...Please.

I mean this was unintentional so I'm just gonna say sorry and move on.

vote:Whiskers

[Nero Cain]

oh, I guess I need to ask Whiskers something. We've had two flips, both town. What have you learned about Nauci's alignment?

[Nauci]

Because over the course of TC I've mostly forgotten this whole thread (if forgetting Dunk being dead was any indication lmao).

Also I obviously was reading Quick as scummy the whole time and need to readjust!

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: Whiskers

still pending

continued answering rest of post 2382 still coming in next post (or there abouts)

My position on the relative merits of a Whiskers vs a Flub Lynch have not changed since yesterday.
And Whiskers is still IMO the best lynch, as they were yesterday

Summary of the case so far:

Spoiler: This bit is currently IMO irrelevant (posts 1-253) (24 whiskers posts)

In some large picture sense it may be relevant but it is not the heart of the issue.

TLDR:

I am going to ignore posts before 253 as kinda NAI.

These 24 posts (1-253) cover the followng topics.
UCV <<<< This bit I am going to excise. As for me it seems not only just NAI, but a read on the person not the role.
There existed the possibility it was being leveraged, I dont in any meaningful sense think so.
CABD (and speculation around the claim)(discussing its utility)

Good Play: 187. effort =/= town. But that felt like balanced push.

Statements about me(Axle), which if i get quote detached from it being about me, seem like stances players with town PMs took in the past.

There is an interaction with Joey (202 and on for bit) that I both like and dont like. I feel read that my dont like is wrong headed. Its D1, that Ok for a D1 push, with D1 levels of certainty.

And that is I believe most of whats in the first 24 whiskers posts most of the content is not making think yay town.
187 was something Ok

TLDR:

I am going to ignore posts before 153 as kinda NAI.

and yes (is some bizarro backwards way) despite being NAI, that it is NAI, and there isn't some other part of the ISO towning it up.

Is relevant.

(just not at all central)

The scum read comes from 253 onwards

The best partial explanation of what the scumread is based on is back here

Spoiler: quoted earlier wall

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

...People on the Whiskers wagon explain this please.

Damn. I tried putting the reasons here, but nested spoilers dont work.

My reasons are in 2142

In it is part of an ongoing discussion with Whiskers about his posts.
The TLDR is now here in bold.

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.

Spoiler:

defending self example

(see spoiler in the link)


Spoiler:

Filler

(see spoiler in the link)

Basically, I see you playing in the thread in that part of the game, dont see your towny intent.

My question I suppose is can you explain whats going on so I see the towny intent?

And so far, I haven't manage to see that range of posts (from the quoted one on up to his reads list) as having towny intent.
and my problem with that was there were so many opportunities to ask questions probe and try to find things out but it just kept not happening.

and yes it is a judgement call, but I still see them as the best most likely to flip scum wagon.

But you may need to read 2142

@Thread

Yes that is fuck tonne of words (when you open the

second

spoiler and read the link (esp 2142) all in one post.
Pull up the activity count, no I have no buried you with words, (high post count) do me the bloody courtesy of reading the ones I do say. Ta tia.
If you dont understand bits of it talk to me. AND say things when you do, when i see what bit you don't understand, I have a much better chance of working out how to explain the point differently. Generic talking such as, "Axle you're full of shit", really wont be a way to start a good faith discussion.

[Nero Cain]

whats the TL;DR version?

[Nero Cain]

JUST KIDDING!

[gerryoat]

VOTE: whiskers

okay you sold me

[AxleGreaser]

oh, I guess I need to ask Whiskers something.

Yeah... probably be a good idea.

@Nero

before opening the spoiler pleasssse read this.
I am going to stipulate that reasonably recently I have seen people without any PM at all state they at times for players they have sorted, just dont read parts of the thread. And i presume they meant ever, even once.
So the question in the spoiler is in some sense is straight up idle curiosity.

Spoiler: This has question inside.

Why do you need to reread?

Why don't you?
(yes there is the obv answer, TMI)

I am assuming there is a different answer.
Me I reread(A bit skimmy) the thread several times yesterday.
For instance, I reread the entire period, 253-2068, to make sure i was seeing whiskers posts in the context of the game he was playing in.

Now hat is Axle being Axle, Nero is not Axle, so I don't expect that from you at all.

This makes me feel funny.

Why do you need to reread?

but you are voting the whiskers wagon with me.

Can you help me not feel funny about.

Why do you need to reread?

Tell me how that is just Nero.

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: whiskers

okay you sold me

Which bits sold you?

---

@Thread if you are asking WTF is Axle doing.

Go reread my filter, and see the questions i asked both these slots. (Nero Gerry, then see the answers or not that I got.)

Hey sheeping big wally posts is fun and all, but it makes me spooked.

[AxleGreaser]

JUST KIDDING!

tbh that is pretty funny.

[Nauci]

Maybe it's because it's 4 AM and I'm tired but I really can't seem to parse #2728.

[Shiro]

OK peeps I made a decision. I reached page 30 but with how little my available time is and the games speed I will do what I consider best and pretend they don't exist and start from here.

I might read bits and pieces every so often but that is all

With all that behind us hi

P.s any Tl;Dr of yesterday will be appreciated as wells any points of interest

[Nero Cain]

Why don't you?

b/c I'm bias and I think I have a pretty good grasp on the game. I was town reading all 3 flipped town. Now obviously the criticism will be that I was perfectly ok with flipping annoying/bad town (Quick) but I think that's bullocks. So why do I need to reread?

Can you help me not feel funny about.

Maybe. Nauci had the entire night phase to reread. Why didn't she read then? Maybe she was still sick? I guess in hindsight, it was my gut reaction. I'm pretty hardheaded and I don't immediately reset sometimes, myself and most town I think kinda go "oh my top scumread didn't flip scum, let's go to the next. She's voted nothing but town so I guess it's a good idea she does reread and reset. I'll be somewhat interested in what she comes up with. In the back of my mind I'm thinking that this could be a scum stall tactic.

What are your Nauci thoughts?

[I Am Innocent]

Why do you need to reread?

To buy scum time to jump in and participate D2?

[I Am Innocent]

Vote Whiskers

This should have happened yesterday.

[Nero Cain]

hrmmmm....

[Flubbernugget]

IaI

Are you caught up?

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: probably unimportant

I asked for this

Tell me how that is just Nero.

This is pretty much kinda that

(This is not the towniest thing, that I thought of, that you might say. Your 2724 could have been because, Nauci:2723 gave you anyone of these "feels", it was LAMIST, and or while accurate "109 page abomination of a thread!" why the need to tell us? ... )
And if that probe (which kept your powder dry) had got you the response 2727. Which you then wanted to decide is Ok or chase further. Id be all happy. There were other kinds of replies that you could have made that would have looked bad.

but yes this feels fair bit like you. (so of the options I thought of its above par)

Why don't you?

b/c I'm bias and I think I have a pretty good grasp on the game. I was town reading all 3 flipped town. Now obviously the criticism will be that I was perfectly ok with flipping annoying/bad town (Quick) but I think that's bullocks. So why do I need to reread?

Can you help me not feel funny about.

Maybe. Nauci had the entire night phase to reread. Why didn't she read then? Maybe she was still sick? I guess in hindsight,

it was my gut reaction.

I'm pretty hardheaded and I don't immediately reset sometimes, myself and most town I think kinda go "oh my top scumread didn't flip scum, let's go to the next. She's voted nothing but town so I guess it's a good idea she does reread and reset. I'll be somewhat interested in what she comes up with. In the back of my mind I'm thinking that this could be a scum stall tactic.

What are your Nauci thoughts?

Re: this question.

What are your Nauci thoughts?

I need to ask Whiskers something. We've had two flips, both town. What have you learned about Nauci's alignment?

You have two very similar questions in the thread to two people. I am happy to answer right now. But would you prefer to hear one or other answer first?

[Lucky2u]

Damn... I joined to bother cabd... Figures...

[Joey_]

Im demotivated by this game and im busy af irl so i wont be active as much

@nero its really disgusting that you went against two clears on someone you townread, voting with whiskers you fos

@gerry you really enabled that lynch by flipflopping, voting with your whiskers assumes fos too

Everyone kinda fucked up, beeboy had to step up and read the game better to see that the town behavior surrounding
Quick’s wagon was indicative of a green flip, and you ultimately had to flip correctly to flubber

Also cabd, you had to take control of the town and earlier than a few hours before the lynch, 2ml the same. Rah tried but isnt loud enough or active.

[Joey_]

Like whats even the point to try to read people correctly if the town is just going against clears and voting for people they dont fos

[Joey_]

I still think axe/iai/flub makes a lot of sens. I can buy that nero is just dumb because he wouldnt try to sell me story that he voted his tr as mefia, he probably loves himslef too much for that. The other mefias possibilities are gerry who voted with whiskers his fos, math who could be a slot i townread but is mefias (i disliked more maths posts than alisaes), shiro is null but i think hed try more as scum maybe. Nauci is town lean for me, uc is w/e prob town. If whiskers is scum im reading the game wrong

[beeboy]

I am just going to say I thought Quick was town late stages of his wagon and kept voting him for policy tbh.
And like that is literally a majority of his wagon.

[beeboy]

I still think axe/iai/flub makes a lot of sens.

I agree these are good reads.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Flubber
I guess I'll lead with the thing I should have done yesterday.